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Verdict reached in George Zimmerman case - Not Guilty

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HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE.

There are white Hispanics, black Hispanics, Asian Hispanics etc.

Please stop being ignorant of my ethnicity.

Technically you are right. Most people in the US including Hispanics consider it it's own racial group.

I'm not sure what else to say. I've never seen this argued before this case. I've never had a hispanic friend tell me they are any of those things you listed and I live in a fairly diverse area.
 
Antiphrasis is not trolling. Trolling implies being intentionally disingenuous and deceptive. Blame Space's comment is so over the top that it's hard to ascribe that motive to it.

I guess. I just don't think it's necessary to be facetious with a subject like this.
 
You can agree with the verdict.

Don't come in here and try to justify the killing.

Over the line.

I'm torn on it all.

I think it was the correct verdict based on a lot of reasonable doubt but there should have been some punishment as the dude didn't deserve to die.

It would have been curious as to what sentence the judge would have given Zimmerman if he was convicted of manslaughter.

(I think she'd sentence him, not sure)
 
That's because you're a coward. Hate to be so blunt, but that's basically what it boils down to. Cowardice. Cowards shoot people when they're losing a fist fight, especially one they initiated themselves. Don't go following people if you can't handle the repercussions that follow. It is only natural that someone being followed in the middle of a dark and rainy night is going to be on the offensive, fearing for their own safety.

He didn't initiate the fist fight. And it's not cowardice it's called self preservation. Only a dumb ass would lay there and take a beating in the name of being a tough guy. Sorry, I have people that depend on me, I'm not going to die in the street because someone attacked me and I did nothing. People die all the time in fist fights. It's also not only natural that someone being followed would take the offensive, that's a cop out.
 
Those "technicalities" are reality. It is now conceivably legal according to Florida lawto kill an innocent child on purpose.

You said this isn't about race. It's about race. It's about a lot of things, and race is one of them. It's about race.

Please tell me: do you really believe race has nothing to do with it? I can't imagine even the most deluded, most detached-from-reality person truly believing that race has nothing to do with this slaying or with this case.
You're reaching for the stars my man
 
The photo someone posted shows it was minor cuts / scratches. If it had been life-threatening, chances are good he would have been knocked unconscious and been unable to shoot the kid. The kind of fight you're talking about is like MMA style fighting, savage blows to the head. Travyon Martin is a scrawny teenager, I doubt he was capable of doing much damage.

Exactly. It looks bad because there's a lot of blood but that's what happens when you get cuts on a shaved head. Lets not forget that Zimmerman is 42 lbs heavier than TM. I doubt his life was in danger. He most probably panicked (like TM) but due to the US' dumb ass gun laws, was carrying a loaded firearm.

In the end Zimmerman is a power hungry coward who profiled TM due to his race. Shit is fucked up.
 
Seems really odd he wasn't charged with something. Apparently as long as you are scared for your life and you end up in a physical altercation with someone weather you yourself provoked the fight or not then you can blow them away and be cool. Well at least in florida.

I believe he was emotionally charged, and found an excuse to kill and he did because he was so worked up. I feel like he should have got some time...
 
Florida law has allowed a man to follow a teenager — in his vehicle and out of his vehicle — based purely on appearance, confront that teen in a way that led to a scuffle, then shoot and kill said teenager.

Florida law has indirectly made it legal for anyone to kill someone who was doing you no wrong, nor was posing a clear threat to anyone else.

Anyone can, possibly, do the above legally. "Anyone" includes racists and people who are deeply prejudiced enough to pursue someone while armed with a gun based purely on their appearance.

That makes it about race. If you are uncomfortable talking about race because you've always shirked away from discussions on the topic or have successfully been able to ignore the importance of discussing race issues, then simply stay out of every discussion related to the matter. Do not, however, complain that people are discussing race problems, because by complaining about that, you are complaining about reality.

Saying "led to a scuffle" is so euphemistically glossing over the key points of the trial that it's intellectually dishonest. The jurors found there were reasonable grounds to believe that the fight was more than just a "scuffle". Merely following someone does not just "lead to" a scuffle like it's a natural progression, and the question of whether Martin or Zimmerman initiated the actual violence was also not settled beyond reasonable doubt.
 
HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE.

There are white Hispanics, black Hispanics, Asian Hispanics etc.

Please stop being ignorant of my ethnicity.

Hispanic is a "race" under the classification system commonly adopted in the country. Most race classifications are really euphemisms for "mut". None of them are more valid than the other.
 
I honestly find it impossible to believe that anybody coming into this thread to agree with the verdict doesn't believe the killing was justified.

I know a lot of people that agree with the verdict but think the killing was unnecessary. And by agree with the verdict, I mean that by going with what was presented at the trial, and under current Florida law, he isn't guilty of the crimes they charged him with.
 
If Hispanic is not a race, what is it then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic

Today, organizations in the United States use the term as a broad catch all to refer to persons with a historical and cultural relationship either with Spain and Portugal or only with Spain, regardless of race.[6][7] However, in the eyes of the US Census Bureau, Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, or any country of origin.[8]
The term is more broadly used to refer to the culture, peoples, or nations with a historical link to Spain.

The term is commonly applied to those countries which were once colonized by Spain, particularly the countries of Latin America which were colonized by Spain. It could be argued that the term cannot be applied to all Spanish speaking cultures/countries as the historical roots of the word specifically pertain to the Iberian region. It is also difficult to label a culture with one term, such as Hispanic, as the customs, traditions, beliefs and art forms (music, literature, dress, architecture, cuisine or others) widely vary depending on country and even within the regions of said country. The Spanish and Portuguese cultures are the main cultural element shared by Hispanic peoples.
 
How so? Those bloody pictures with the testimony of Vincent DiMaio stating how mild concussions can occur from the blows Zimmerman sustained would certainly effect the jurors perception of how injured Zimmerman was.

Even if he did suffer a minor concussion (did he? he didn't go to hospital) it's not life-threatening and therefore excessive to shoot. Kids get minor concussions playing hockey.

....especially when you're the one who instigated the fight to begin with.
 
First lesson needs to be: Not every Black person is a burglar on the prowl. Sometimes we're just walking home from the store with skittles....

I agree 100%. Second lesson: Having a gun should not be considered "back up" in your mind when you decide to start shit with someone.

Your comment just made this whole thing sink in for me again. I feel so awful for Trayvon and his family. This crime was 100% avoidable. Calling the police when you see what you think to be a prowler can usually ensure your safety and the safety of others. Trying to take the law into your own hands is dangerous and stupid.
 
Guess what kind of people are saying that. Amazing they can keep both ideas in their brains at the same time. It's not even dissonance it's compartmentalization. Think racist shit. Express outage at racist accusations.

'I am racist but don't you dare call me racist.'

The R-word is only permitted for use between misanthropes. It's a word loaded with hate, and it's theirs now, not ours.
 
Technically you are right. Most people in the US including Hispanics consider it it's own racial group.

This is another one of those white people understandings of race. Two Hispanic people interacting don't see each other as just Hispanics, they see white Hispanic, black Hispanic, Mexican, Cuban, Puerto Rican, El Salvadorean, etc. You know why? Because they can tell the difference. The only shared camaraderie they have comes from dealing with all the people who can't.
 
Zimmerman followed an unarmed kid against instructions from actual police, instigated a confrontation, was losing in a fight, then shot the kid.

It could only be considered self defense if you look at the 10 seconds before he shot TM. How the greater context and reasons for the confrontation were lost in the shuffle, I will never understand.

GZ was responsible for what happened 100%, plain and simple. His story was full of holes but he got the best defense $350k could buy thanks to his 'supporters'.

What a fucking sad mess.
 
This will blow over in a week.

Let some new Jordans come out.

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People mind find this post horrible, but with the way we digest news and media... things do come and go. Not condoning the post—especially the jordans part, but I remember their being a lot of "don't forget" campaigns coming after big media blowouts like this occurred for natural disasters or other serious situations. I do wonder how long people will "care" before its on to the next thing...
 
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