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Verdict reached in George Zimmerman case - Not Guilty

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One things for sure, Blacks are going to feel further disenfranchised. I'd imagine this is going to only help towards breeding further animosity and resentment.
 
Pandoracell said:
Well, I guess that's not what the law says.

Going back to several posts i've made previously, in essence I don't think it's fair to say what's rational and what isn't when you get into an altercation like that.
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Someone died. It most certainly is fair to say what is rational and what isn't.

Zimmerman didn't punch Trayvon in the face to knock him off of him. He didn't break his arm. He shot and KILLED him. He went for a gun and nothing else.
 
I want someone to do an infogram of how the law from other countries around the world would have applied to this case, or at least the main one's. My guess is very very few countries would have allowed Zimmerman to get away scott free on this. I think it could be useful in getting people to wake up to the fact that the law needs to be changed, if at the very least to be brought up to modern standards.
 
pigeon said:
And either you agree with the jury's conclusion -- in other words, you think that it is at least reasonable to believe that Zimmerman shouldn't face justice -- or you don't -- in other words, when you say you "agree with the verdict," your statement is meaningless nonsense.

I'm just pointing out the necessary implications of your position.
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No, you are the one who said that anyone who agrees with the verdict must also necessarily believe the killing of Trayvon was justified. I didn't say that. I said the prosecution didn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. No matter what the facts may be, a trial requires the state to prove its case, or else you get an acquittal. I tend to agree with the jury that, based on the state's case in the courtroom and the evidence they submitted, the possibility of valid self-defense was not ruled out. They effectively conceded Trayvon was on top of GZ and pummeling him, that GZ's head bounced off the pavement from the blows. At the moment the shooting occurred, their argument was that GZ couldn't have possibly reached his gun, and that Trayvon couldn't possibly have known it was there. It is not unreasonable to conclude they didn't prove this .. they only argued it.
 
NinjaKixx said:
He was killed in self defense and you all want to crucify the man that was defending himself. So yes, more sickening than him being killed.
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What of Trayvon's right to self defense? Why does Zim's self defense matter more than his?

When we can answer that we will be one step closer to true healing...
 
CNN's programming's weird. They just cut the middle of a replay of the Robert Zimmerman interview for a John Lennon special. Still disturbing hearing that he didn't view Trayvon as the victim of a murder.

So if you have fists and are walking on a sidewalk, are you considered an armed individual now?
 
nib95 said:
Can you elaborate? As a non American, still baffled and playing catch up with a lot of this stuff. Where and how can it go from here?
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Basically, the Martin family can sue him in civil court for killing their son/nephew/cousin.

First the standard of proof is lower. In a civil trial, the plaintiff -- in this case the families of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman -- had to prove OJ committed the murders by a "preponderance of the evidence," meaning the jury may decide for the plaintiffs if they determine that there is at least a 50.1 percent probability that Simpson is responsible.

In the murder trial, the state had to prove OJ committed the murders "beyond a reasonable doubt," meaning that jurors had to be all but positive Simpson committed the murders to convict him. This time, jurors need not come to a unanimous decision, and only nine of the 12 jurors need to agree for a verdict to be reached.

In the murder trial Simpson was not required to take the stand and the jurors were not allowed to hold his decision to remain silent against him.

In the civil case OJ was compelled to testify if called to the stand or forfeit the case. He had already given attorneys 10 days worth of testimony in depositions that can be used at trial.

And that's basically what happened. They sued him and pretty much bankrupted him for the rest of his life essentially.

That's probably what's going to happen to ol' Georgy
 
Hey when you attack someone you run the risk of getting yourself killed.

I was always told by my grandfather to avoid a fight at all costs. He would always say "You may be willing to kick their ass but they may be willing to kill your ass".
 
Vizantir said:
You know what? Fuck it if he got free.

The Civil trial is where he's going to get fucked.

It happened with OJ, and it will happen with Zimmerman.

Bankrupt his ass to hell and back.
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This.

Wrongful death. TM's family will sue the fuck ouuta GZ and win big time.
 
NinjaKixx said:
He was killed in self defense and you all want to crucify the man that was defending himself. So yes, more sickening than him being killed.
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HE TOLD THE POLICE "[THEY] ALWAYS GET AWAY"

Zimmermans goal was to stop him from getting away.

Martin's goal was to get away.

Who was on offense? Who was on defense?
 
MIMIC said:
Someone died. It most certainly is fair to say what is rational and what isn't.

Zimmerman didn't punch Trayvon in the face to knock him off of him. He didn't break his arm. He shot and KILLED him. He went for a gun and nothing else.
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Right, so ignoring the legal side of things, we're going back to this "coward" argument. Essentially, if i'm attacked, i'm not allowed to kill unless my own life is in danger. But it is up to me to determine as such. I'm not sure how that can be broached.
 
jamesinclair said:
If someone (a black male perhaps) were to kill Zimmerman, would he be able to successfully claim self-defense, because Zimmerman is a known murderer of black males and one could reasonably conclude that hes a threat?
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Nope.

Z-man wasn't a murderer, just a victim.
 
NinjaKixx said:
Hey when you attack someone you run the risk of getting yourself killed.

I was always told by my grandfather to avoid a fight at all costs. He would always say "You may be willing to kick their ass but they may be willing to kill your ass".
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Who attacked? What are you saying?
 
NinjaKixx said:
Hey when you attack someone you run the risk of getting yourself killed.

I was always told by my grandfather to avoid a fight at all costs. He would always say "You may be willing to kick their ass but they may be willing to kill your ass".
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Maybe Zimmerman should've took that advice when he decided to stalk and engage Martin.
 
I wish I had something intelligent to say about this.

There are times where I question my lack of awareness, meaningful understanding or empathy for the real struggles that people go through in their lives. I wonder whether I may have some weird prejudice towards people that I unconsciously act out in my everyday life. The idea that I could be racist even a little bit horrifies me.

Then I realize that people actively embrace ignorance and never actually question the origins of their beliefs. Some often thrive off the idea that people of a certain race, sexuality or different religion are inferior and undeserving of compassion.

Pretending to have no remorse because you fear what would happen if you actually let yourself feel it is one thing. Actually having no true remorse about the fact that the path God took you on led to the death of an innocent is psychotic.

Fuck everyone that doesn't feel like shit because Travon Martin is dead and the man who killed him is content and has now has the legal justification to back up his smugness.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
What of Trayvon's right to self defense? Why does Zim's self defense matter more than his?

When we can answer that we will be one step closer to true healing...
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Defend himself from what? A man following him without provoking any kind of physical altercation? I'll tell you right now that if they were able to show proof that GZ initiated a PHYSICAL altercation, he should have been found guilty of murder 2. They couldn't so he didn't.
 
jamesinclair said:
If someone (a black male perhaps) were to kill Zimmerman, would he be able to successfully claim self-defense, because Zimmerman is a known murderer of black males and one could reasonably conclude that hes a threat?
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no mames, broder.
 
Vizantir said:
Basically, the Martin family can sue him in civil court for killing their son/nephew/cousin.

First the standard of proof is lower. In a civil trial, the plaintiff -- in this case the families of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman -- had to prove OJ committed the murders by a "preponderance of the evidence," meaning the jury may decide for the plaintiffs if they determine that there is at least a 50.1 percent probability that Simpson is responsible.

In the murder trial, the state had to prove OJ committed the murders "beyond a reasonable doubt," meaning that jurors had to be all but positive Simpson committed the murders to convict him. This time, jurors need not come to a unanimous decision, and only nine of the 12 jurors need to agree for a verdict to be reached.

In the murder trial Simpson was not required to take the stand and the jurors were not allowed to hold his decision to remain silent against him.

In the civil case OJ was compelled to testify if called to the stand or forfeit the case. He had already given attorneys 10 days worth of testimony in depositions that can be used at trial.

And that's basically what happened. They sued him and pretty much bankrupted him for the rest of his life essentially.

That's probably what's going to happen to ol' Georgy
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Of fuck yes. At the very least I want the Martin's to make bank on this and Zimmerman to be left bankrupt.
 
NinjaKixx said:
Hey when you attack someone you run the risk of getting yourself killed.

I was always told by my grandfather to avoid a fight at all costs. He would always say "You may be willing to kick their ass but they may be willing to kill your ass".
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If only Zimmerman had followed you grandfather's advice, a 17 year old would still be alive.

But you're too ignorant to realize the connection.
 
I was shocked, but was more convinced it was self defense. The more I pieced the entire trial together the more I thought to myself that a gun has no other means than to fire and potentially kill. I support someone defending themselves, so if that gun went off because he was trying to defend himself. His intentions were for himself and his own superior.

Where that comes off as murder I can't comment. We defend ourselves, just like in the wild. If you throw this in the legal system and try and make them understand how certain environments change a persons behavior. I honestly don't think you can do it. It seems like our legal system won't allow a particular mindset into a trial. Being guilty or not.
 
remist said:
If he attacked Zimmerman as he was walking away then his actions were offensive, not defensive.
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If. If. IF. As in we don't know. But many seem to just assume Trayvon is the aggressor. Why?

I asked this in the other thread and I've never received an answer: Why does Zimmerman get the benefit of the doubt but Trayvon Martin doesn't? What about Trayvon makes people assume he is the aggressor. Who noticed who as not belonging? Who followed who? Who profiled who?
 
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