Wkd Box Office 07•19-21•13 - it's SCARY at the top, turbomba, R.I.P.D. DOA R.I.P.

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kswiston said:
Inception was one of the most successful original movies of all time at the box office. The movie was met with critical and audience acclaim, and Nolan was recognized by his peers with major nominations for directing, writing, and/or producing from all of the major guild awards. TDK also had similar acclaim, if not as many award nominations. Unless you are using the "my personal taste is the ultimate arbitrator of reality", there is no way you an claim that big budget films ruined or set back Nolan's career. He went from a small time director to a major industry player in less than a decade. As much as J.J. Abrams tries, I think that Christopher Nolan has the best chance of becoming the Steven Spielberg of his generation of directors.
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I don't know why you keep bringing up box office. Adam Sandler movies are box office successes too. And if you want to talk about critical acclaim, Inception is rated average among his movies both on metacritic and rotten tomatoes.

I don't know why you're so butt hurt on my little comment anyway. Of course it's a subjective opinion. And Steven Spielberg of his generation is not a compliment to me at all.
 
Del Toro's career is pretty much over in terms of big budget films. He'll always be able to make small niche films but I can't imagine him getting a big budget anytime soon. This was a major risk and he handled it poorly. Not in terms of the film, I haven't seen it. But in terms of not recognizing that you cannot have a huge big budget, new IP film without certain things. Specifically a blatant romantic arc that is advertised, and an attractive (white) male lead who can ensure women show up.

He probably should have directed The Hobbit. Even having one big blockbuster hit buys you a lot of leeway.
 
Pacific Rim numbers make me wanna cry. I wish they had gone with at least one big star in it to gather some crowds at least since general public probably thinks it's just a generic action movie when it's so much more.

Seriously sad how Transformers can pull such big numbers and Pacific Rim doesn't. This is why everything in Hollywood is either a sequel or based on something.
 
Ryan Bomnolds

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Price Drop said:
Pacific Rim at $178M worldwide in two weeks with China and Japan to go is far from the bomb that the media pegged it to be. It'll definitely make its $190M budget and has a good chance to be greenlit for sequel.

The sequel should definitely utilize licensing deals to help out with the budget. There needs to be toys, books, fast food tie-ins, broadcast airing rights - all the robots and characters have a ton of potential for a build-able franchise.
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there were no toys??? man, did WB want this movie to fail?
 
Price Drop said:
Pacific Rim at $178M worldwide in two weeks with China and Japan to go is far from the bomb that the media pegged it to be. It'll definitely make its $190M budget and has a good chance to be greenlit for sequel.

The sequel should definitely utilize licensing deals to help out with the budget. There needs to be toys, books, fast food tie-ins, broadcast airing rights - all the robots and characters have a ton of potential for a build-able franchise.
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With films (depending on the advertising budget) you generally have to make 2-3x the budget back before you start seeing a profit. Even at the low end that is 400 million, and it is not going to get close to that.

The BEST they can hope for is 300-350 million plus 50 million from dvd sales to break even. That is a stretch though.


There will be no sequel.

evil solrac v3.0 said:
there were no toys??? man, did WB want this movie to fail?
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Success/Hype breed toys. Not the other way around.
 
linsivvi said:
I don't know why you keep bringing up box office. Adam Sandler movies are box office successes too. And if you want to talk about critical acclaim, Inception is rated average among his movies both on metacritic and rotten tomatoes.

I don't know why you're so butt hurt on my little comment anyway. Of course it's a subjective opinion. And Steven Spielberg of his generation is not a compliment to me at all.
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A) You are in a box office thread where we talk about movie business. When someone says that big budget films are damaging Del Toro's career in this thread, I am going to assume that at least some of the reasoning behind that statement is based on the fact that none of his larger budgeted films have done particularly well.

B) Replying to a post that I thought was incorrect, and then responding to your subsequent reply doesn't make someone butt hurt. I think you have no objective basis to claim Nolan's career has gone downhill, and I gave you my reasoning why. You are free to disagree. I'm not posting to try and change your mind or to defend Nolan's honor or something.
 
PhoenixPause said:
and an attractive (white) male lead who can ensure women show up.
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Most women I know seem to think Charlie Hunnam is very attractive (and then start arguing over whether he's hotter with long or short hair).

But yeah, probably doesn't fulfill the second part of that statement because he doesn't have the big name.
 
xaosslug said:
the sad thing is this won't affect his career, in the least. Hollywood/studios have it in their minds that Ryan Reynolds is 'leading man' material (because he's been in a few hits opposite bo draws like Washington and Bullock) , and he's really not. But alas, they will continue to PUSH him, HARD... until SOMETHING inexplicably sticks and they'll feel justified/vindicated looking back at all the craters left in his wake.
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I fail to see what Ryan Reynolds has to do with this movie bombing. It bombed because it looked like shit, and is shit.

Point the finger at him when a movie sucked because he sucked.
 
kswiston said:
A) You are in a box office thread where we talk about movie business. When someone says that big budget films are damaging Del Toro's career in this thread, I am going to assume that at least some of the reasoning behind that statement is based on the fact that none of his larger budgeted films have done particularly well.

B) Replying to a post that I thought was incorrect, and then responding to your subsequent reply doesn't make someone butt hurt. I think you have no objective basis to claim Nolan's career has gone downhill, and I gave you my reasoning why. You are free to disagree. I'm not posting to try and change your mind or to defend Nolan's honor or something.
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Did you see the post I was replying to? The poster was saying Pacific Rim bombing isn't such a bad thing because he'll go back to making the films that allow him to have more creative freedom despite a lowered budget and I agreed with that. So when I brought up Nolan it's pretty much implied that I prefer his earlier films. Context is important.
 
The only thing I wonder with Ryan Reynolds is how terrible his agent must be. I don't have any strong feelings about the guy one way or the other. I just know I've skipped a ton of movies he's in.

I liked him in Buried though.
 
timetokill said:
The only thing I wonder with Ryan Reynolds is how terrible his agent must be. I don't have any strong feelings about the guy one way or the other. I just know I've skipped a ton of movies he's in.

I liked him in Buried though.
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He seems like good rom-com material, like a new mcconaghey (sp?) or something
 
kurbaan said:
People have to go see the movie for it to have WoM.

oh and Scott Pilgrim was garbage.
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Even you were right about one of the most gorgeous, exciting, hilarious and satisfying films of the decade so far being "garbage", since when did people stop seeing films because they're garbage?
 
Kandinsky said:
Thanks, not too hot tbh.
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It's a solid start. Unlike most films in that gross range, Man of Steel still had a pretty strong domestic skew for a blockbuster. As such, Warner Brothers will get a better than average return compared to most films in the $600-700M range. With all the product placement and co-marketing, the film has likely recuperated its negative costs by now. Merchandising, TV licensing, and home media sales is where most of the profit will be coming from.
 
Hot Coldman said:
Even you were right about one of the most gorgeous, exciting, hilarious and satisfying films of the decade so far being "garbage", since when did people stop seeing films because they're garbage?
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It was the type of bad movie that people dont even want to see. For example Transformers are garbage movies but its something people want to see. Scott pilgrim was double bad in that sense (not saying it was worse than transformers though).
 
I think they were hoping this would turn Charlie Hunnam into a big box office star. Which it should have. This movie should have made a lot of people stars. I usually don't give too much of a shit about how a movie performs, but this is the first time I am genuinely pissed at a movie's lack of success. It's really disappointing.
 
ElTopo said:
Just like After Earth or Lone Ranger, eh? Okay, those comparisons are unfair because Pacific Rim isn't a trainwreck like those movies, but it still has a rather dark tone and many issues (e.g. the shitty first half).
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You may be right that even with a big star the movie was still too nerdcore for a truly mass audience. Plus it would have inflated the budget even more. Still, I think it would have helped quite a bit.

BertramCooper said:
Shots fired.
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I don't know if he's even aware that he just fired a shot! :)
 
Pacific Rim needed a completely different style to be big. It needed to be more Evangelion, and less.... kids toys.

Transformers 1 didn't have stars.
 
I'd like to see some sort of statistical comparison showing the box office draw of directors versus stars.

Because it seems like a big-name director is more likely to get butts in the seats than a big-name star these days.
 
Ouch. Turbo fell short of both the 3 day and 5 day grosses for Rise of the Guardians.
 
NomarTyme said:
I think Sam Worthington gonna be there too.
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Don't I wish, but Mr. Boring has the benefit of having been in movies that actually made money. Avatar alone will probably guarantee him as much work as he wants for years.
 
Whatever. I would still have traded places with Reynolds for that year or so of sweet scarlet booty and all the cash. He really should have kept her.
 
The death of Reynolds at the BO is karmic retribution for him being stupid enough to lose Scarlett fucking Johansson.

YOU HAD IT ALL YOU DAFT PRICK

kurbaan said:
It was the type of bad movie that people dont even want to see. For example Transformers are garbage movies but its something people want to see. Scott pilgrim was double bad in that sense (not saying it was worse than transformers though).
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I think the words you're looking for is "people hate Michael Cera", just to make it easier for you.
 
HalfBakedProphet said:
What does "bomb" even mean at this point? It's so overused anymore. Oooooh, someone's got an ax to grind!
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Nope, just pointing out that like

Snakes On A Plane

Scott Pilgrim

Sucker Punch

and now Pacific Rim, the internet gets behind a movie early and sometimes that carries over after they have seen it (unlike Sucker Punch) and then guess what?

The movie fails because the internet =/= general sentiment.

Besides, some of the people moaning that the movie didn't do better either

a) didn't see it

or

b) saw it in a way that didn't contribute to the box office

kurbaan said:
People have to go see the movie for it to have WoM.

oh and Scott Pilgrim was garbage.
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My man.
 
Disappointing about PR. Most we can hope for now is some non-film animated sequel or prequel, and even that is iffy.
 
Joe Shlabotnik said:
That's almost literally impossible in 2800 theaters. Less than a million would mean something like ten people in each *theater* per day. It would have to play to statistically empty screens for the entire weekend.
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So, you're saying I should be surprised there is more than ten people that wanted to see R.I.P.D. per day!?
 
The most common reaction around here is to get overhyped about the next big sci-fi nerdfest movie, and then call the general public dumb when they don't want to watch such a niche production.

I say this as a fan of science fiction films. But things have changed ever since The Dark Knight. "We" finally had something that reached out beyond fandom and became legitimately popular. Now everyone wants to hitch themselves to the next horse in hopes it will do the same thing and they can say they were there the whole time.

Pacific Rim did shitty. We knew it was going to do shitty before it came out, people just weren't interested. It had poor marketing right up until the week before it came out. But if you had mentioned that to anyone around here last month, they'd say you just wanted to see the movie fail. Why the heck would I want to see it fail? RIPD did shitty. We knew it was going to do shitty. Some of these things you can call right off the jump. Something like The Lone Ranger, now that is one that could have went either way.

Releasing RIPD in such a booked summer was dumb. It was pure hubris, they thought it was going to be the next MIB. If they were sane, they would have brought this shit out in January, February or March. Sure as hell would have made more money than they got trying to be big ballers.

Some of these studios need to wake up and realize that the rules have changed. Cheap horror/thrillers have taken #1 twice this summer, over big blockbusters that cost $100+ million. It hurts to get beaten, but that is getting stomped. Somebody spent 1/3 or 1/4 the money and made way more.
 
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