About that...
i say bring back $80 and $100 handhelds and $20 and $30 retail games.
we can do it. together. for friendship.
Bloomberg; "Nintendo Rises as New Titles Spur Overseas Sales: Tokyo Mover"
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i say bring back $80 and $100 handhelds and $20 and $30 retail games.
we can do it. together. for friendship.
See. Your not to blame, its these damn fanboys that keep getting in the truths way, which you understand completely.
Your just as bad as those you condemn. But its ok. Just accept it, and stop pretending your not.
You're being facetious, right?
One day it will happen again. If 3DS XL was priced at $150 and games cost $30 it would be perfect.
IncandescentPrecept
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You should have done that back in the Wii/DS glory days. They won't get back to that level again.
Time can be filled with more third party on board.
Something that Nintendo desperately need with the WiiU and Iwata is all like: they will come once they see Mario please understand.
KillerTravis
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Sales momentum is not a problem, is what he basically meant.
Nintendo fans as a demographic aren´t enough to sustain a profitable console business. You either appeal to gamers in general or you´re done in the long run. Simple as that.
StreetsAhead
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I dunno, increasing sales and stock prices is sort of part of their job description.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Im sorry :/
Sounds like you are an expert in the field.
AdventureRacing
Member
It won't bring you success long term but they are the fans who will be there at the launch of your console. Just like MS are playing a dangerous game fucking over hardcore gamers before launch nintendo suffered by neglecting their core fan base around launch.
You can't expect gamers in general to support your console when it first launches.
That's why even in the GC era, they were rolling in cash.
DICKS AHOY
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It'd be more cause for celebration if they can keep this momentum up for the rest of the year, especially in the face of Microsoft and Sony's console releases.
Chinpoko_Master
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Monster Hunter isn't going to do shit outside of Japan though, and Pokemon is still months away.
AdventureRacing
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But that had nothing to do with the GC. Nintendo would have been losing money if not for their handheld business.
DICKS AHOY
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Were they selling at a loss like they are now during the GCN era?
Wasn't the GC profitable?
ArchedThunder
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The Gamecube was a failure in sales, but they made pure profit on every console sold.
Horseticuffs
Full werewolf off the buckle
It's damned nice to see some positivity regarding Ninty around here. My Wii U has been an awesome investment with a great catalog of Wii and Wii U titles and I'm super excited for their upcoming titles.
Even got a few third party titles I want to pick up, imagine that!
It was profitable.
Whys it matter to you so much how much they sell >_<?
GC was my favourite console ever and it sold the worst. Wii my least favourite and it sold the most.
Sales dont mean shit unless theyre going out of business.
Also you cant just say 'they lost money' on the GCN. Im pretty sure they made a profit on each unit sold. And staid profitable for the gen mostly. Sometimes you should back up what you say with 'facts' or 'references' so you can prove it.
nintendo's reaching out to families, women, and kids. they're doing this with fairly accessible kinds of games, but most of them aren't out yet, and won't be out for another four months. and even with that, the biggest problem is the price of the system. you won't be able to get a mom to buy something $350 if it just has one thing. it's rare that one thing will appeal to a huge group of people. so they're targeting families with other games that have sold in the past. there are people who aren't into mario, but like donkey kong, or like zelda, or like sonic. hell there are people who like pikmin over those. it's kinda like microsoft's strategy with the 360 early on to get every major shooter supported as best they could at an affordable price point.
we'll see how it goes, but nintendo does seem to be shooting for a market that microsoft and sony are almost completely ignoring at the moment. i think they have the right games, and i think they can make a profitable system, but they need to send the right message and have the right price.
suck it h8rs
They are still not even in the same universes as their old stocks price and Wii U is still selling shit. People should not get excited about Nintendo based of a couple of games.
for awhile, i think. they still sold tons of expensive first-party software. i'd like to see some numbers as to why that console was a commercial failure.
Actually, Sony and MS's focus on the gaming populace is more narrow than Nintendo. You see them as the "general" group, but that's not exactly correct.
Yes they Gamecube was definitely sold at a loss after the pricedrop to 99 bucks (probably even earlier).
AdventureRacing
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Nintendo haven't released figures either way so none of us can be definitive in our answers. I will say that considering the huge success of the GBA i find it hard to believe the GC was making profit otherwise they would have been making a lot more money during that era.
Especially after they slashed the price i don't see how they could have been profiting overall.
Really? How do you know that?
Clairvoyance
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Shit, I thought Tokyo was in Japan.
Compared to Monster Hunter, the only game that is going to do shit in Japan is...Pokemon! And would you look at that, Nintendo has the system with both! Less than three months away with Mario & Luigi to fill the gap right after Animal Crossing? No momentum.
The internet. Just type "Gamecube sold at loss" into google.
There was even a thread on Neogaf:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10069
Hunches dont really cut it.
nintendo took a loss for the quarter when they dropped it to $99.99. i don't think they were selling it at loss (or much of one, anyway), before that.
the console end was probably a profitable one for them though. nintendo essentially sat on the gamecube's tech for about a year before it was cheap enough to mass-produce at $199.99.
The GameCube was profitable and its duct tape version sold 100 millions.
KillerTravis
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Well if you meant west. Animal Crossing is enough to carry the 3DS over July, along with the release of SMT 4. Mario and Luigi releases on August, as well as Rune Factory 4 and Disney Infinity. Sales for September are probably going to decline a bit, unless Scribblenauts is heavily advertised (DC fans may help). October is when the bomb is dropped and Pokemon releases along with Etrian Odyssey and Sonic Lost World, oh and Batman too. November is Zelda.
There's probably no better momentum than this.
Edit: Ace Attorney is supposed to arrive in one of those months as well, and I forgot to mention that overpriced shitty Angry Birds game that will probably sell well.
AdventureRacing
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So what is your opinion based on? Neither of us have any figures either way so we can only look at the other information around. I just don't see how they could have been profiting even after slashing the price of the GC. They even managed to lose money one quarter despite the GBA being a massive success.
Selling tons of $50 software? It doesn't take magic to find the GC attach rate.
AdventureRacing
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So why weren't they making far more money considering the huge success of the GBA? I'm not sure nintendo sold as much software on the GC as you think either, high attach rate or not.
The problem with this family, women and children approach is that they are not the ones spending large amounts of cash on consoles and games on a regular basis. Sure Nintendo had them for a while because they had a hook with the Wiimote but now most of them are probably playing with their smartphone/tablet if at all. These are not loyal long term customers.
And you know that GC was a commercial failure because...? Don't answer if you don't want, I already know you're making up your bullshit to try to validate your points.
Anyway, NoA seems to think otherwise:
The source was IGN. The article isn't up anymore (it's from 2003), so here's a backup.
Good Job Iwata !
And i think it will mostly rise from now one , seeing all the good games on the way both on 3DS and WiiU.
I'm not so sure about PS480 success this holydays, yes they will sell.. Will it crush nintendo? hell NO :
- Graphics lovers are already playing on PC, and first party games are not exciting enough right now for them.
- Parents buy systems, not kids...! 500 package to play is a lot !( system, games, contollers)
- People will buy tablets, smartphones first.
- most title this holydays will be cross gen.
And please have a look at PS360 numbers at launch again !
We saw it last gen, and with 3ds, systems need time, need games just be patient and all 3 systems will be great
And i think it will mostly rise from now one , seeing all the good games on the way both on 3DS and WiiU.
I'm not so sure about PS480 success this holydays, yes they will sell.. Will it crush nintendo? hell NO :
- Graphics lovers are already playing on PC, and first party games are not exciting enough right now for them.
- Parents buy systems, not kids...! 500 package to play is a lot !( system, games, contollers)
- People will buy tablets, smartphones first.
- most title this holydays will be cross gen.
And please have a look at PS360 numbers at launch again !
We saw it last gen, and with 3ds, systems need time, need games just be patient and all 3 systems will be great
I didnt mean each individual console. I mean they made a profit on the GCN in total, they didnt lose money.
I mean.
Using the 'did they make money on each unit' then the Xbox and 360 were failures. The ps2 and 3 were failures...
The 'profit' that matters isnt on units, its on units + games...
Nintendo didnt lose money on the GCN. It was profitable.
It wasnt a failure cause it didnt cost them money.
You said 'they only made money that gen cause of the GBA' Thats not right, that they lost money on units sold well into the consoles lifes proves nothing >.> again, cause going by that, all other consoles were failures.
The GCN made money and was profitable for Nintendo.
I mean.
Using the 'did they make money on each unit' then the Xbox and 360 were failures. The ps2 and 3 were failures...
The 'profit' that matters isnt on units, its on units + games...
Nintendo didnt lose money on the GCN. It was profitable.
It wasnt a failure cause it didnt cost them money.
You said 'they only made money that gen cause of the GBA' Thats not right, that they lost money on units sold well into the consoles lifes proves nothing >.> again, cause going by that, all other consoles were failures.
The GCN made money and was profitable for Nintendo.
Why are you even bothering to argue this when you don't know anything about this? Go look up the GBA attach rate. Nintendo makes their money off the software they sell. Put two and two together. The idea that GC didn't make Nintendo money is just fucking funny. Software development prices weren't anywhere near what they are today. They didn't engage the billion dollar uphill battle of the Xbox. They already had marketshare leftover from the NES, SNES, and N64.
nintendo was really crazy into r&d during the gba/gc era too. different versions of the gba, the ds, the gba's successor, the wii, and peripherals for the gamecube all happened in that 4-5 year timeframe.
plus, the gba's success is somewhat overstated. it sold an incredible amount of hardware in the short time it was alive, especially in the us, but the games were more expensive to make, sold for less money, and overall software had an attach ratio of about 4.6:1 (the psp's is 4.3:1). nintendo got the most of that, but it had the worst-selling pokemon and no big mario game to speak of. there wasn't anything that reached a wide audience outside those franchises like tetris or brain age were on the game boy or ds.
1. Hardware sold at loss
2. Bad hardware sales in general (production had to be stopped at a point)
3. Low software sales because of the small install base
4. Low profit overall although the GBA was a extremely successful device
6. Complete change of their strategy after the Gamecube
Only to name a few points.
About that...
US only sales chart.
Though I doubt the whole picture is much different.
Edit: Also- first six months of the year only? What a strange chart.
This is from 2003, so even if it wasn´t just PR talk it would be completely useless to determine the overall Gamecube success.
soxinthebox
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Some perspective:
How long does that positive growth have to go for until people are satisfied with it turning around?