This Bill O'Reilly talking points memo
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Young black men wearing hoodies are just the kind of people we need to be suspicious of?
Boom Boom Pow
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that's what i'm saying. they are afflicted, but their rate of lockups is way less than that of blacks. although that's only my knowledge on an absolute sense. I don't know how it is on a per capita sense.
i know hte two are similar in test scores though.
Its pretty much racism. You have broken families because black males are heavily targeted by the justice system, and discriminated against by larger society. This includes the education system where teachers are outright afraid of them, and end up suspending them more than other children. Black males internalize this and act out in response to it. The entertainment industry perpetuates those stereotypes, and loop it back into society again.
Now some black males can break that cycle, and succeed. However all it takes is one fuck up to put you back in the cycle again.
It's kind of like continuous mental abuse. That person isn't going to have healthy relationships with other people, or society at large.
And you can't compare Latinos to blacks. They've had a totally different history than blacks. Latinos aren't even one group. Cubans differ from Puerto Ricans who differ from Mexicans who differ from South Americans, etc.
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RawkHawk2010
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Of all the relevant political commentators, I feel like O'Reilly has honestly had a pretty sensible take on things since the case first started.
People continue to blame "white people" for why all those problems exist (like Chris Matthews who literally apologized for the entire white race on air), but as we've seen with conservatives blaming Obama/the government/taxes for job outsourcing to China, people would much rather put the blame on someone else than make a genuine effort to fix whatever problem they're currently having.
All of the people not "one" with American society aren't in a hard place simply because they've been "kept down." Many of them simply don't want to be assimilated and continuing to blame that squarely on "white people" is missing the issue entirely.
People continue to blame "white people" for why all those problems exist (like Chris Matthews who literally apologized for the entire white race on air), but as we've seen with conservatives blaming Obama/the government/taxes for job outsourcing to China, people would much rather put the blame on someone else than make a genuine effort to fix whatever problem they're currently having.
All of the people not "one" with American society aren't in a hard place simply because they've been "kept down." Many of them simply don't want to be assimilated and continuing to blame that squarely on "white people" is missing the issue entirely.
rocketknight
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I think you've missed the point or maybe don't understand modern institutional racism? "White people" as a group aren't really to blame so much as society and the structures underpinning it in general are. Nobody talking about this stuff is accusing you personally of being a racist or terrible person.
Tidus_Great
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some of what he said happened to be true but he's still an old fashinoned bigot.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
your joking right?
jordan0386
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Minorities face too much of this be good little civilized citizens in this white country. Or else.
I mean, yea, they run the show. But damn. Let a brother live.
I mean, yea, they run the show. But damn. Let a brother live.
Chris Hayes take on it.
http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/07/23/msnbcs-chris-hayes-everything-oreillys-saying-a/195025
Bill is full of crap.
http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/07/23/msnbcs-chris-hayes-everything-oreillys-saying-a/195025
Bill is full of crap.
childplease
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He used to be a teacher in Florida so he probably knows far more than you think.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
what does him being a teacher have to do with any of this bile he's passing along as facts?
Those kids never stood a chance.
zero shift
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He taught at a black school?
no, that sounds like RawkHawk
RawkHawk2010
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Institutionalized racism exists, but institutionalized racism isn't why every unscrupulous minority youth acts the way they do. It also doesn't dictate why every non-minority's actions towards a minority are what they are (or vice versa). However, it seems a brain-meltingly large amount of people would like to believe otherwise and assume it impacts 100% of what goes on.
(Seriously, I can't even make fun of Rachel Jeantel without being called a "racist", even though my reasons for making fun of her have nothing to do with her being black at all.)
jordan0386
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Amory
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There's free condoms like, everywhere.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
O'riley made a comment once about how amazed he was at the level civility an african american had when he ate dinner with him. It was easy to see he was saying he was surprised we knew how to be civil.
Devolution
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Why is it imperative you make fun of her at all?
RawkHawk2010
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I didn't get banned for saying anything in the Zimmerman thread. I got banned for saying why Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze wasn't a waste of Retro Studios' time.
Here's the O'Reilly restaurant video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q84eSxIiKqc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q84eSxIiKqc
Amory
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Dude it totally was, though.
I agree with him on a couple of things
The breakdown of the nuclear family is a major problem. That 73% number is pretty astounding and it does boil down to some level of personal responsibility to blame. Two parent family would be very beneficial from both a nurturing and economic standpoint and would go a long way in increasing the quality of life for young people.
The entertainment culture has certainly benefited from glamorizing violence, sex, and drugs. It's not much different than the rock culture from the past, but it's definitely a more extreme level of recklessness and anger/ hostility in the message. If the family breaks down, then the young people find new role models to pattern after and in many cases those role models come from entertainment industry. In some cases rap/ hip hop has become like a religion and is the anthem for gang culture.
Lastly, if you can not read/ write very well and can not communicate effectively you will not be able to compete in a competitive workforce. He's right, unless you have some other talent that you can pursue, you will be stuck in low wage unskilled labor jobs with minimal benefits and no way out. If you start selling drugs and serve time then that make your wage earning prospects even more dire.
His point is that all these things start with the children, and unless you give them a solid footing to work with they will fall into the same lifestyle that led their parents there. parents have to teach their children to embrace education to even begin to move forward.
The breakdown of the nuclear family is a major problem. That 73% number is pretty astounding and it does boil down to some level of personal responsibility to blame. Two parent family would be very beneficial from both a nurturing and economic standpoint and would go a long way in increasing the quality of life for young people.
The entertainment culture has certainly benefited from glamorizing violence, sex, and drugs. It's not much different than the rock culture from the past, but it's definitely a more extreme level of recklessness and anger/ hostility in the message. If the family breaks down, then the young people find new role models to pattern after and in many cases those role models come from entertainment industry. In some cases rap/ hip hop has become like a religion and is the anthem for gang culture.
Lastly, if you can not read/ write very well and can not communicate effectively you will not be able to compete in a competitive workforce. He's right, unless you have some other talent that you can pursue, you will be stuck in low wage unskilled labor jobs with minimal benefits and no way out. If you start selling drugs and serve time then that make your wage earning prospects even more dire.
His point is that all these things start with the children, and unless you give them a solid footing to work with they will fall into the same lifestyle that led their parents there. parents have to teach their children to embrace education to even begin to move forward.
Aaron Strife
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Dunno why the onus is put on every black man's back to carry their entire race out of a cycle created by institutionalized racism.
I'm white and I do stupid shit all the time, no one's like "well maybe if white people had their shit together this wouldn't have happened."
Then you have Trayvon walking home from a corner store and getting shot and Bill O'Reilly can be like "Well it's his fault for not defying black culture" Go home Bill, you suck. Easily the biggest fucking phony asshole in the media.
I'm white and I do stupid shit all the time, no one's like "well maybe if white people had their shit together this wouldn't have happened."
Then you have Trayvon walking home from a corner store and getting shot and Bill O'Reilly can be like "Well it's his fault for not defying black culture" Go home Bill, you suck. Easily the biggest fucking phony asshole in the media.
jordan0386
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Plenty of white people have babies before marriage. The stat has to be the same or close for white americans.
Its kind of a backdoor way of saying, stop making babies black people. There are too many of you as it is.
Other things he said made some sense though.
Hm, black people are having too many children?
If only there was some sort of receptacle that could cover the penis and prevent sperm from fertilizing an egg... something to act contrary to conception. Or maybe pills that stop a woman from ovulating... pills that control births.
Wait, I think I've came up with an EVEN BETTER idea. We can just tell people to not have sex!
Problem solved, pack it up, we're done here.
If only there was some sort of receptacle that could cover the penis and prevent sperm from fertilizing an egg... something to act contrary to conception. Or maybe pills that stop a woman from ovulating... pills that control births.
Wait, I think I've came up with an EVEN BETTER idea. We can just tell people to not have sex!
Problem solved, pack it up, we're done here.
Angelus Errare
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Of course the onus is on us. I mean we've only been "equal" in the eyes of the law (lulz) for 40 years. Obviously slavery ended 400 years ago and ever since our civil rights movement we've clearly been on equal footing, we just don't see it yet!~
Well it's kind of hard to have a two parent house hold when blacks gets arrested at a rate of 5:1 over their white friend for the same illegal activity that is drug sale and consumption and serve sentence much longer than whites for the same crime...all this despite the fact whites are more likely do use and sale drugs (but if I asked someone to picture a drug dealer in their mind they'll picture a black person standing on the block...thanks media!), but despite that police would rather hang around black dad's neighborhood and almost completely ignore white dad.
That might slant the statistics a bit, not sure though.
Abstinence works, it's obvious these people aren't placing their hands in the lawrd!
Well it's kind of hard to have a two parent house hold when blacks gets arrested at a rate of 5:1 over their white friend for the same illegal activity that is drug sale and consumption and serve sentence much longer than whites for the same crime...all this despite the fact whites are more likely do use and sale drugs (but if I asked someone to picture a drug dealer in their mind they'll picture a black person standing on the block...thanks media!), but despite that police would rather hang around black dad's neighborhood and almost completely ignore white dad.
That might slant the statistics a bit, not sure though.
Abstinence works, it's obvious these people aren't placing their hands in the lawrd!
smokeandmirrors
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dayum.
Tesseract
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Escape Goat
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O'Reilly can't explain the moon and the tides so I wouldn't assume he can explain race relations. Or anything else.
I often wonder if Tim Wise is the only white dude in the media that actually gets it.
Damn.
Boom Boom Pow
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can we agree though, that the gangsta rap culture is not really doing any positive for the community? with the whole street cred and all that crap
Robot Pants
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Well I will agree that we've made even the discussion so hard to approach and even harder to get to the bottom of out of fear of sounding racist.
And I will also say that al sharpton and Jessie Jackson are slimeballs.
And I will also say that al sharpton and Jessie Jackson are slimeballs.
jordan0386
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How.is.that.possible?
OG_Original Gamer
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Crack was the culprit, when it hit it hit hard. Destroying families, creating a generation of crack babies. Jobs in the inner city started drying up, GM moved out of South L.A where crack got its start. I lived two blocks from Rick "Freeway" Ross as a kid, in Hoover Crip Gang neighborhood he put in they're hands and that's all it took. Before the epidemic, blacks were progressively moving forwsrd. They started businesses, enrolled in colleges. O'Reilly don't know shit, he's just a loud mouth fool that think he has all answers.
Dion Blaster
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"Because of the way he looked. Not necessarily his skin color..." had to close the tab right there.
Angelus Errare
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Yea crack really did a number on us.
Not sure if you actually watched the video because he talked about how drugs destroyed families and entire communities.
Well, using contraception effectively relies on three things: affordability, accessibility, and
education. People aren't going to buy/use condoms properly if they don't know how, can't afford them, or can't get them easily (which applies to the pill with regards to people without health insurance). Of course this doesn't only affect black people, but neither does the concept of deadbeat/runaway dads. Couple that with how easy it is for a black man to go to prison and you have a recipe for disaster.
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