The Death Of Nintendo Has Been Greatly Under-Exaggerated
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hardcastlemccormick
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The 3DS is doing fine.
The WiiU is doing abysmally.
Nintendo has the tools to get both to do better OR worse.
The WiiU is doing abysmally.
Nintendo has the tools to get both to do better OR worse.
Thing is, that'd cause Nintendo considerable losses. While it could encourage sale, it'd drain their "vault" and we'd have the same articles claiming Nintendo are doomed based upon their horrific bottom line. The difference is, they'd actually have a valid point.
LiveFromKyoto
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I love how the clown who wrote this article actually wrote "'but but profitable!' Yeah sure, but on the brink because I don't like the Wii." This reads like it was written by a 17 year old. It's not 'devastating' that the 3DS is tracking behind the most successful console of all time. . And then making comparisons to BlackBerry, who only had 3% of the smartphone market? And Ballmer, who A) is a guy, not a company, and B) was ousted from a profitable organization?
OP, why would you post this childish pablum?
OP, why would you post this childish pablum?
dream
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John Gruber actually wrote a great piece addressing that over the weekend:
http://daringfireball.net/2013/09/nintendo_in_motion
True. I don't see why do many people leap on the attack instead of explaining why they disagree (like, with words). It's the bane of videogame discussion.
I brought this problem up several times in the recent "Reggie Says Something Controversial" threads: Instead of objectively looking at what he was saying, so many jumped straight to "WiiU had a shit launch, lol' as a means of dismissing it, even though that had little baring on the legitimacy of Reggie's comments.
OT: This article is hyperbolic click bate. Nintendo are by no means peachy right now, and have a tonne of work to do; But as a company they are far from doomed.
peanutbutterlatte
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Hah, I think they'd have to do something really drastic to fuck up the 3DS now with Pokemon Zelda and MH4 on the way. Only thing I can think of is that outside of Smash Bros the 2014 lineup is a little bare, though I can only imagine a Kirby/other games are on the way.
From the guy that instantly jumped to wiiu and TW101 sales in the Rayman Legends sells best on WIiu thread.
RobFox64tm
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Is this guy serious? I guess just anyone can write for tech blogs now.
Pretty tired of folks giving up on the Wii U already. The first year of any console is a tough one with limited releases. The launch was fantastic with I believe more launch titles than PS4 or Xbox One.
PS4 and X1 will explode at launch like Wii U did - prolly a bit better, but come February/March it'll be in a similar situation the Wii U was then. The transition to this next generation is going to take some time for all three companies. Developers will (I believe more so than in the past) support 360/PS3 for many years to come and the initial high price points will not do much to make them either run away hits.
Give the Wii U a few years to build up a solid foundation of games. Great games aren't just crapped out over night. Everyone that I know that has a Wii U loves it. Nintendo needs to work on creating great software and finally spending their first dollar of marketing on it, which I think they've been holding out on until the games are here.
September 20th to me feels like a relaunch ahead of the competition - only time will tell if they are going to market this as a true relaunch and go all out ...
PS4 and X1 will explode at launch like Wii U did - prolly a bit better, but come February/March it'll be in a similar situation the Wii U was then. The transition to this next generation is going to take some time for all three companies. Developers will (I believe more so than in the past) support 360/PS3 for many years to come and the initial high price points will not do much to make them either run away hits.
Give the Wii U a few years to build up a solid foundation of games. Great games aren't just crapped out over night. Everyone that I know that has a Wii U loves it. Nintendo needs to work on creating great software and finally spending their first dollar of marketing on it, which I think they've been holding out on until the games are here.
September 20th to me feels like a relaunch ahead of the competition - only time will tell if they are going to market this as a true relaunch and go all out ...
Anoregon
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I agree that the Wiiu is a failure, and will probably never be in a position where it can be seen as anything but, even with the inevitable boost coming in the next few months. However, the idea that the 3DS is a failure is just asinine. I can see how, taken alone, the 2DS could look like an admission of failure on Nintendo's part. But it isn't in a vacuum, and the reality of the situation is that it is doing just fine.
Listen to the latest episode of the Talk Show - John Siracusa puts Gruber in his place with his lack of knowledge of anything video game. Gruber is another iPhone gamer only advocate. (I follow him for you know his Apple thoughts - not his gaming thoughts)
Let's be fair, it's not his fault you want to break your WiiU.
freezamite
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That list lacks tons and tons of awesome eShop games like Nano Assault or the best game of this whole year, Toki Tori 2.
I'm sure their Wii and DS, never mind 3DS money can keep them afloat for the next 5 years alone. And although MS is much bigger, they survived the RROD fiasco. When you've got consoles just sitting on shelves, its time to take action.
Or not I suppose, but if I was running Nintendo, I'd be embarrassed about my console division.
They're a few decisions away from being relevant in my eyes, and they've got the money and past experience to do it again.
peanutbutterlatte
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Can we save this for later?
Visualante2
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Shame this article has to open like a message board post... it lowers what seems to be a good argument or two.
Prince Vultan
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Indeed. I always took this as the only recourse for those not smart enough to form coherent counter arguments when someone says something they don't like.
I guess it just takes too long to demonstrate a differing viewpoint or why a statement is wrong when you can just go "Bu-bu-but Sony!" and pretend that accomplishes the same goal.
The Horror the horror
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Obviously those games don't count since they're small, niche, non-AAA titles. What's wrong with you?
I thought we all agreed that it would be better served until the titans known as Pokemon X/Y and Monster Hunter 4 released before making any conclusions about the future of the 3DS?
As for the Wii U...once it fails to hit 15 million in a reasonable amount of time, I'm hoping Nintendo reverts their software strategy into making games that we want as opposed to games they want to make for themselves.
Nintendo made NSMB begrudgingly in 2009. If they want gamers back, they have to bite the bullet and switch the style up.
As for the Wii U...once it fails to hit 15 million in a reasonable amount of time, I'm hoping Nintendo reverts their software strategy into making games that we want as opposed to games they want to make for themselves.
Nintendo made NSMB begrudgingly in 2009. If they want gamers back, they have to bite the bullet and switch the style up.
Not mine. I love my Wii U. I'd just buy another one for this task. Guy gets a skull fracture and Nintendo gets a sale. It's a win/win scenario.
The_Macho_King
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I have no faith in Nintendo at this point. I'm about to finally hang up my fanboy boots. Maybe I'll jump back in when there's a Metroid game but its not like they didn't drop Metroid during the N64 era.
This is the first time I have ever even contemplated selling my Nintendo home console. There is no Nintendo published game announced that I have any kind of hype for at this point.
Iwata needs to get the fuck out.
This is the first time I have ever even contemplated selling my Nintendo home console. There is no Nintendo published game announced that I have any kind of hype for at this point.
Iwata needs to get the fuck out.
It's the same argument Vita guys keep saying and people tell them off anyway.
BronsonLee
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Oh, MG Siegler article? That's ni-*closes tab*
This ^^^
3DS being 20% behind the sales phenomenon that was the DS is a great achievement. People also seem to forget that the Wii U had a very successful launch, it did around 80% of the sales of the Wii, another great achievement.
The problem that the Wii U has had is one of the worst droughts in video game history, but that's over now and sales have picked up as a result. Nintendo are releasing at least one title per month before Christmas and have plenty of system selling titles releasing next year - SMT x Fire Emblem, Yarn Yoshi, X, Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart 8 and SSBU plus whatever Megatons they drop at next year's E3.
And then you've got to take the PS4 and One into account - the former is going to be $100 more expensive, the latter is going to be $200 more expensive. Both consoles are going to be supply constrained at launch, both consoles are going to struggle to sell going into the launch window next year due to us being in the worst worldwide recession seen in donkey's years and both consoles will be experiencing their own inevitable software droughts.
I wonder how many journalists will be harping on about Sony and Microsoft being 'd00med' , needing to go third party and needing to concentrate on releasing their titles on smartphones lol
peanutbutterlatte
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It's a shit article but this isn't the way to point out its flaws.
hardcastlemccormick
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If you had told me Nintendo would totally fuck up the Wii in 2008 with a mess of boring software, I wouldn't have believed you then either. Though the 3DS' current library (with Pokemon/MH4) is probably enough to keep it going for a few years.
I want to know where these so-called "good arguments" are, because I'm not seeing them.
RockmanWhore
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Why are some journalist so eager to see Nintendo die :-(
peanutbutterlatte
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Yeah there's potential, I mean 2012 was such a dud year outside of Kid Icarus. Still, I have to imagine there's at least another Pokemon and maybe a second Zelda at some point. And there's lots of franchises they haven't touched yet. And portable Smash Bros is a biggun.
Delicious Waffles
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It hasn't even been out a year yet and it's a failure?
All it needs is the games, which are coming. I feel like I've been saying this for months but it's true. Once they release the games people want, people will start picking up the console.
All it needs is the games, which are coming. I feel like I've been saying this for months but it's true. Once they release the games people want, people will start picking up the console.
They could survive for a bit, but not for a protracted length of time. The surplus they have would deplete fast with such a loss. Even with the 3DS back to profitability, they're still barely making a profit, and still with an operating loss. For them to lop a further $100 off the Wii U, it could be catastrophic.
Let's say they do that. Let's assume the Wii U is breaking even now (even though it's not). Let's say they still fail despite the price cut and only sell 1m units. That's still $100m lost on the console.
Part of the reason Nintendo's losses in 2011/12 were so big was because the 3DS took off at its new price. It'd be far worse and would irreparably damage the company.
I think people really haven't been focussing on the important part of this.
"Under-exaggerated".
Think about what that means for a moment.
There's two possibilities here. Either this is a satirical article - the term would be reasonably valid there - or the author is a nincompoop who can't write.
"Under-exaggerated".
Think about what that means for a moment.
There's two possibilities here. Either this is a satirical article - the term would be reasonably valid there - or the author is a nincompoop who can't write.
I think you got me mixed up with someone else cherub.
True. I'll let the ninjas do it for me.
H_Prestige
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Nobody on here has any problem comparing ps3 sales to ps2 sales. This should be no different.
Shareholders care about how 3DS is doing compared to DS. They couldn't care less that it's outselling some crappy handheld from another company. The Vita is Sony's concern, not Nintendo's stockholders.
Majmun
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You can make fun of the article all you want. But that doesn't change the fact that Wii U is in big trouble.
No, not Nintendo, but the Wii U is in trouble. The console is practically dead in all regions and I doubt that it will recover. It fails to chart with just the Ps3 and X360 on the market, and I doubt it'll change once the Ps4 and X1 are released.
No, not Nintendo, but the Wii U is in trouble. The console is practically dead in all regions and I doubt that it will recover. It fails to chart with just the Ps3 and X360 on the market, and I doubt it'll change once the Ps4 and X1 are released.
dantevsninjas
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Let me preface this by saying that I don't think Nintendo is doomed, or on the way towards a collapse. However, to all the people facepalming and lol'ing at the idea that Nintendo has not put out great hardware in years, let me say this: he's right. The DS came out in November 2004, nearly 9 years ago. The Wii sold like hotcakes, but it was not great hardware, it was a gimmick. How many of you have a Wii that has been collecting dust for the last 3 or 4 years? Sure, you'd break it out for that occasional first party release, but that was it. Hell, many of the people that picked up a Wii U have complained that it's already collecting dust next to their TVs. The 3DS was a decent iteration on the DS, but for all the talk of how great the library is, I haven't really touched the thing in ages. This could be me not paying enough attention to 3DS releases, but where are the great titles? Additionally, where are the great titles that really use the 3D to their benefit? Enter the 2DS; this may not be for me, but I can't see this thing selling much after the initial batch that gets picked up for kids alongside a Pokemon game.
hardcastlemccormick
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If only the article were about topics like this, which are pertinent and frankly what I expected, instead of teenage console warrior rhetoric, delusional metaphors and strawmen arguments.
Unfortunately, this thread is about the article.
Wickerbasket
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A point he brings up that I really never dwelled on before, is that the release of the 2DS admits that the inclusion of 3D in the 3DS was a mistake.
I think that Nintendo probably agrees with that; they marketed the 3D feature as the major reason to buy it and now that it failed to take off they release a cheaper version without it.
In the end, I love the games on my 3DS but I can't help but think it would have been a better and cheaper system without the 3D.
I think that Nintendo probably agrees with that; they marketed the 3D feature as the major reason to buy it and now that it failed to take off they release a cheaper version without it.
In the end, I love the games on my 3DS but I can't help but think it would have been a better and cheaper system without the 3D.
Considering the article is so poorly written that even a middle school teacher would have problems giving it a passing grade, I'm going with latter.
BronsonLee
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Protip: Siegler is a TechCrunch writer who doesn't specialize in games, but does specialize in rather incendiary articles and opinions (his supremely pro Apple stance is rather legendary)
He's... Not very interesting now
He's... Not very interesting now