CouldBeWorse
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That's twice now. You should really source these supposed quotes.
Microsoft Is So Sorry About How It's Treated Xbox One Fans So Far
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That's twice now. You should really source these supposed quotes.
Q
Queen of Hunting
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the backlash about the xbox ones drm started way before the console was announced, we had plenty of rumours suggesting always online and anti was the way forward, there was backlash against it on every major gaming forum and Microsoft still went ahead with it.
they have only themselves to blame with this mess and i don't feel sorry for them one bit
they have only themselves to blame with this mess and i don't feel sorry for them one bit
Best scene in TNG, great GIF. Works on multiple levels.
longdi
Banned
QFT. 360 accessorizing was such a ripoff....and they got away with it....just like the RROD fiasco...
I hope gamers remember this round and make sure they dont get away with the "One" policy...
semiconscious
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...So, you're calling people buying XBONE Rihanna?
old
Member
After the reveal, I was unimpressed. After E3, I was determined to buy a PS4 and skip Xbox One.
But since then much has changed. With DRM and mandatory Kinect gone, plus the Xbox One having a stronger launch lineup, I've switched again back to Xbox One. They made mistakes but they corrected them. I still don't like the $100 higher price tag though.
If I had an ass as fine as Rihanna's, I wouldn't be playing video games in my spare time.
But since then much has changed. With DRM and mandatory Kinect gone, plus the Xbox One having a stronger launch lineup, I've switched again back to Xbox One. They made mistakes but they corrected them. I still don't like the $100 higher price tag though.
If I had an ass as fine as Rihanna's, I wouldn't be playing video games in my spare time.
CouldBeWorse
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He's not even remotely saying what you are suggesting.
yeah, it's not like sony, who sold the ps2 without a modem or with only 2 ports.
Pipe down, it was a joke.
Yeah this apology tour does nothing for me. There is just no excuse for how they acted this Spring.
This. They've said that they're looking at reintroducing the policies. I don't trust them anymore.
spookyfish
Gold Member
Yep. Nelson and MS act all shocked and shaken when they give the "But we thought this was good! We're soooooo sorry!", when the community had made it clear since at least February they would not accept the DRM that was rumored.
Disingenuous then; disingenuous now. Sorry, Microsoft: you don't get to spin your way out of this.
It's the only right conclusion from the whole fiasco.
lol, this stuff is so crazy. Personally I would rather have the ability to buy disc based games and not have to swap discs but also maintain the ability to resale. But that is no longer the case, it is either buy digital and lose resale rights, or buy disc and lose convenience. Thanks fuckers. At least they guaranteed support for the device with the 180, but personally, I think once it came out, people wouldn't give a fuck.
So you are saying that putting BD player in PS3 was an evil plan? what about future proofing the system.
Sony was hated simply because of the system price, not because they wanted to squeeze every little drop of profit out of their customers while restricting the functionality of the system. Totally difference situation here.
Hmmmmmm
I really can't agree with this either. I mean I understand where you're coming from, but I believe you're trying to merge multiple different patterns of behavior which don't deserve to be valued equally or even judged in a similar fashion.
The reason everyone was really made about the XBO was because of the DRM, the physical property rights being taken away and because Kinect was forced on everyone and for a while couldn't be unplugged or turned off.
I can't really see how their shift during the 360 years to Kinect games is therefore an 'extension' of this behavior. Focusing on Kinect on 360 - which isn't even forced on anybody - just means they're focusing on a different type of gamer who happens not to be me. Why would I get MAD about that? Everyone knows I criticized Microsoft for that focus away from hardcore gamers, but I wasn't angry about it - I just felt disappointed because I believe Kinect is a worthless piece of technology and I believe the 360's library suffered in quality in those years due to it. But even THEN, they were still getting all the multiplatform hardcore games and they still were releasing a few things for us, like Gears of War, like Max: Curse of Brotherhood that's coming out a little later for 360, like Forza Horizon.
This behavior on the 360 is not "fucking the consumer." The only argument toward THAT would be the stuff they put behind a paywall 360, and in that case I would agree their behavior on XBO was an extension of that. But the actual shift to Kinect games to 360 and their diminished focused on the hardcore during that time... that's not fucking consumers, and therefore to me that's not equal or even inherently negative. I'm just selfish and prefer games be made for me and me alone; that doesn't mean I assess inherently negative value to someone else getting a little attention for a change. I'll just criticize the shitty lineup afterwards, not get angry
It's a real shame that people latched onto the DRM as the defining issue, when it was only one of many. And I do believe they are all related, as they all lead to he same end goal.
Majima Everywhere System
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What DVR features?
Probably you have forgot in what time was released the first ps2 model...
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
longdi
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yeah not like xbox came 18 months after ps2...and ms then sunk billions to catch up..
Until they decide to again sink billions and build xbone along the og xbox vision...maybe we can be kinder to them..too bad itsnothappening.gif
CouldBeWorse
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Reintroducing the GOOD policies.
Hatred has seriously clouded judgment.
They've never suggested that try would reintroduce the consumer-unfriendly policies. They're doing the opposite -suggesting that they try to marry the good of the old policies within the existing framework.
Someone needs to shop Hyrb's face on thereApology accepted, Microsoft.
longdi
Banned
I love how most of their responses have been insulting, insinuating that we're too stupid to buy into their future of getting F'd in the A. Like somehow we just can't wrap our heads around their horrible vision.
"Come join us in the future..."
Seriously, get fucked with that attitude.
I watched this. Disgusting interview....
but hey Major nelson is a changed man now i heard from them xbox fans!
CouldBeWorse
Member
What is the end goal in your mind? The complete abandonment of gaming? That doesn't seem like a good strategy.
Not sure at you are suggesting...
Sad, but very appropriate in this case I feel.
witchedwiz
Member
Let's cut Microsoft some slack. They've been constantly changing their policies since they saw our reaction (= pre-order numbers) after unveiling their new DRM. Every change they've made since has been a change for the better. Nothing to criticize here, as far as I'm concerned. We told them what we didn't like, they changed it.
Now I can understand why some of us don't trust them anymore, that's fair, it was their mistake after all. I've seen many Xbox-fans changing their opinion and pre-ordering the PS4 instead. That's what bad communication and bad policies get you, it should be that way. For me personally, Microsoft hast lost me way before they announced the Xbox One. The last few years of Xbox 360 they didn't seem to care about me anymore, which again, was their decision. It's not like there's no alternative to the Xbox.
And yet, after all the bad moves they did, I still want them to become the "old Xbox 360 Microsoft" again, which I once loved. I'll give them a change to win me over this generation, not at launch though. I'm still eager to see what they've got in store for us.
Now I can understand why some of us don't trust them anymore, that's fair, it was their mistake after all. I've seen many Xbox-fans changing their opinion and pre-ordering the PS4 instead. That's what bad communication and bad policies get you, it should be that way. For me personally, Microsoft hast lost me way before they announced the Xbox One. The last few years of Xbox 360 they didn't seem to care about me anymore, which again, was their decision. It's not like there's no alternative to the Xbox.
And yet, after all the bad moves they did, I still want them to become the "old Xbox 360 Microsoft" again, which I once loved. I'll give them a change to win me over this generation, not at launch though. I'm still eager to see what they've got in store for us.
gigantor21
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My guess is that the whole Adam Orth thing didn't phase them much because they didn't see the whole 24 hours requirement being the same as "always online," or all the restrictions as DRM when they still allowed (sharply limited) resales and the like. I think they genuinely believed there was nothing wrong with their approach, and that assuming they were being dishonest actually gives them too much credit.
That frightens me.
Great gif and that's where I am. They clear took years to determine a strategy they then turned around from completely and are now saying that proves they listen and should be trusted. I actually find the "for you" poster annoying with its play online or off, etc. stuff as if they never suggested otherwise.
They did suggest otherwise, they clearly invested heavily in their other vision and are simply "turning yellow" in the face of market defeat which I don't consider actually learning/changing properly.
I'll be waiting on the sidelines for a long while yet as things look with regards buying an X1.
I'm not sure.
What I am sure of is you can't get much worse than releasing an average of less than 2 games a year for almost 4 years. Did the N64 even have output that bad? They didn't have third party support to hide behind.
This. If you're sorry, throw a free game in my day one SKU -- and make it FM5. No love because I live in the US? Why would I live here, I guess.
fabricated backlash
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That train left a few years ago for me. I bought a 360 over a PS3 because it offered better value at a lower price.
This gen, it's the opposite and Microsofts handling of the 360 in the last few years just enforced my decision to leave their brand behind.
I'm still undecided when to get the PS4, but I know one thing for certain, I won't buy a Xbone. It's just not a product for me. That said, I will miss Forza and Halo.
This gen, it's the opposite and Microsofts handling of the 360 in the last few years just enforced my decision to leave their brand behind.
I'm still undecided when to get the PS4, but I know one thing for certain, I won't buy a Xbone. It's just not a product for me. That said, I will miss Forza and Halo.
Damn am rolling on the floor laughing at this GIF. It's damn funny any time am with my friends and I want to be serious about a subject I use the ending of that scene "IT ENDS HERE!"
fierrotlepou
Member
We need a writer like Hunter S. Thompson to follow this "Apology tour", aka campaign trail.
gaming_noob
Member
299$ if you insist on including Kinect or bust.
I'm not that sure if you are even serious... online at the time was too much primitive & 2 ports were an issue? O_O In any case they have introduced the modem some years later when online started to have some relevance.
CouldBeWorse
Member
It was the same type of disastrous, insulated groupthink that led to things like the Challenger explosion.
They were too focused on what worked for them and the people they knew and shockingly didn't seem to consider the rest of the world.
Hopefully they learned what Sony seems to know - you should let consumers drive policy changes slowly over time. Don't force it.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Digital content yes, physical no. There is no chance they will retract their stance once the system ships on how physical games will be unless some publisher like EA decides to do it on their own. Microsoft knows this would be something that no amount of PR work would counter the backlash. So go ahead and believe what you want to believe and I will gladly eat crow if it happens but when it comes to physical discs it won't happen. Not from Microsoft's end. There will be a greater push going towards digital content but the current policies on discs will remain.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I guess Microsoft really needs to go on this apology tour so the Xbone doesn't become the next Windows phone/ Surface/ Windows 8/ Zune.
They'd like to have at least one successful product.
They'd like to have at least one successful product.
Yep.
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