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[Zumblakladla]

I highly doubt that even if you are in Europe where ToS isn't recognized that you can't be held accountable for doing something questionable on a service you signed on the dotted line to use.

Its US company, in EU country, I can't do a shit, there's always 2 sides of everything. And last thing i need is to chase someone because one account and to make my life complicated...

Will see tomorrow with Enforcement Team. I can't wait to see what they have to say to me.

TOP OF THE PAGE!!! GO ALL DIGITAL

 

[Lucid07]

I highly doubt that even if you are in Europe where ToS isn't recognized that you can't be held accountable for doing something questionable on a service you signed on the dotted line to use.

Okay, but people are saying he doesn't own his games and shouldn't have access to them when he legally owns them and people are saying that having the games is just a service, which may be true in America.

 

[yatesl]

Looking at the banned forums, you won't get anything. They'll quote Marketplace Theft, and leave it.

Sorry.

 

[cyberheater]

Its US company, in EU country, I can't do a shit, there's always 2 sides of everything. And last thing i need is to chase someone because one account and to make my life complicated...

Will see tomorrow with Enforcement Team. I can't wait to see what they have to say to me.

What is your gamer tag. I've looked at Xbox live enforcement forum and didn't see your post?

 

[The Cowboy]

Good Job OP is from Europe where European law doesn't recognise EULAs and TOS, even if you have to click "I agree to the terms".

Most of Europe doesn't even have proper rights for digital games/items (only a few places do). Currently in the UK for example, all sales laws etc have no bearing on digital games/products as the laws only cover physical items.

The UK is getting changes to the laws very soon to cover digital games/items, but as of right now people have next to no rights when it comes to digitally owned games (just like most of Europe).

 

[Bucket-o-roadkill]

How many bannings have there been (in theory) from this Oman/bosnian free game download spree then? I'm intrigued. Surely there have been hundreds?

 

[Zumblakladla]

Okay, but people are saying he doesn't own his games and shouldn't have access to them when he legally owns them and people are saying that having the games is just a service, which may be true in America.

I can access my games. On banned console without internet capabilities. But i can not access my content that i have not downloaded to my console in the meantime, so yeah, i cant access to full content of my account.

What is your gamer tag. I've looked at Xbox live enforcement forum and didn't see your post?

See first post.

I created 2 threads, one in "console banning" and one in "account banning" sub-forum. They didn't approve any of that two tthreads.

 

[Dukey]

I get digging dirt on OP to explain why he would be banned (as the Oman thing is unlikely).

But short of having "stolen" every game on his account, I can't see what would justify in any way taking his games back.

They didn't take his games away from him. They denied him access to use the service he was banned from. His games on his HD are still playable. If I buy a subscription to NFL Sunday Ticket from Directv and then use a card exploit to gain access to all movie channels for free and I get caught, do you think Directv is going to let me still access Sunday Ticket because I already paid for it? Nope.

 

[Maxim726X]

How many bannings have there been (in theory) from this Oman/bosnian free game download spree then? I'm intrigued. Surely there have been hundreds?

Or none. We don't know what the OP was banned for yet. And MS won't tell him.

 

[Mugatu]

How many bannings have there been (in theory) from this Oman/bosnian free game download spree then? I'm intrigued. Surely there have been hundreds?

As far as I know there is this case and the other one where the person in question was also sharing season's passes for Saint's Row IV.

 

[Katana_Strikes]

Also i asked to get me to Tier 2 support as someone told me, and they apparently couldnt do it, as they said to me, becaue even tier 2 team support cant help me. I can only settle this with a people who reviewed my account and banned me.

Tier 2?

Looks like you'll be waiting until next year for that one along with Japan and most of Europe!

Tier 1 is where it's at!

 

[Henry Jones Jr]

If his actions warranted a lifetime ban, why would they allow him to access their store?

I agree if the punishment is just. But since they wont tell you why it happened, you have no recourse to appeal the punishment.

While I'm sure most of the time when they drop a ban like this, the person deserves it. That doesn't mean that mistakes don't happen (we are talking about humans making decisions here) and their system seems to allow no recourse for the user to prove their innocence (if possible).

Ban hammers have been inappropriately dropped before. Back when I played WoW, I got a 1 week ban for having an "inappropriate" character name. I thought it was a little weird that the ban for so long given it was my fist offence of any kind, and the name was borderline at worst. So I looked up their FAQ and found that for a firsts offence naming violation I should have only been ban for 3 hours. I called their customer service a talked to a very nice man who basically told me that I indeed should not have been ban for 1 week, and he was not sure why that had happened because there was nothing in the note to indicate that a 1 week ban was appropriate.

I however would not have been able to make this case if I had never been told why I was ban, and if CS refused to talk to me about it.

 

[Dukey]

As far as I know there is this case and the other one where the person in question was also sharing season's passes for Saint's Row IV.

So a total of zero known bannings for the Oman thing.

 

[Zumblakladla]

How many bannings have there been (in theory) from this Oman/bosnian free game download spree then? I'm intrigued. Surely there have been hundreds?

In the email, it says that someone reported me. Maybe they are banning people for Oman thing just those who are reported by someone, I have no idea what to think anymore. And I, unfortunately, had a lot of random people in my friends list from Xbox Live matches (Halo, GeoW, FIFA..)

 

[Maxim726X]

They didn't take his games away from him. They denied him access to use the service he was banned from. His games on his HD are still playable. If I buy a subscription to NFL Sunday Ticket from Directv and then use a card exploit to gain access to all movie channels for free and I get caught, do you think Directv is going to let me still access Sunday Ticket because I already paid for it? Nope.

They would sure as shit refund you what's left if you can't use it.

Just because someone gets caught doing something wrong doesn't mean the company offering the service can charge someone for something they can't use.

 

[SlavetodaBOX]

Oman sucks to be you.

Now that is Funny.

There's always more to the story when something like this happens. Did you have any altercations with anyone on Live? Have you done anything that violated their TOS?

What he said, Looks like Sh#*, smells like SH*# must be Sh#*.

 

[GavinGT]

Here's a link of him asking why his pirated copy of Gothic IV can't be verified in ABGX360:

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/pitanja-oko-rezanja-diskova/5165-verifikacija-igre-u-abgx.html

That's straight-up piracy, no two ways about it.

 

[Dukey]

They would sure as shit refund you what's left if you can't use it.

Just because someone gets caught doing something wrong doesn't mean the company offering the service can charge someone for something they can't use.

No, they wouldnt refund you. You're a thief. They'd cut your service, and then sue you for stealing from them.

 

[Storm360]

so, that wahad on a bosnian forum is now selling



google translation but still...

According to Google "LT 3.0" is a custom firmware for the disc drive of the console

 

[Maxim726X]

No, they wouldnt refund you. You're a thief. They'd cut your service, and then sue you for stealing from them.

Oh, so they could just continue charging someone for a service they are no longer receiving?

In what fucking world would that be legal?

 

[TrueGrime]

Okay, but people are saying he doesn't own his games and shouldn't have access to them when he legally owns them and people are saying that having the games is just a service, which may be true in America.

I'm going to have to try this when I get home, but I am pretty sure you're still able to access your digital games without being connected to XBL or the internet. It'll just warn you that you can't connect, etc, and will then allow you to log into your gametag and access things on your console HDD.

 

[Osiris]

And here's a link of him asking why his pirated copy of Gothic IV can't be verified in ABGX360:

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/pitanja-oko-rezanja-diskova/5165-verifikacija-igre-u-abgx.html

That's straight-up piracy, no two ways about it.

Oh snap!

 

[bidguy]

so, that wahad on a bosnian forum is now selling



google translation but still...

yep lt 3.0 is a custom firmware for xbox drives

dude probably played a pirated game with his main account or something

 

[Dukey]

Oh, so they could just continue charging someone for a service they are no longer receiving?

In what fucking world would that be legal?

They wouldn't continue to charge. They'd simply cut the service regardless of you having paid for it already. Well within their rights to do so. The TC isn't being charged. He's had his access to their store/servers removed. He still has his games on his HD.

I'm going to have to try this when I get home, but I am pretty sure you're still able to access your digital games without being connected to XBL or the internet. It'll just warn you that you can't connect, etc, and will then allow you to log into your gametag and access things on your console HDD.

Let me save you the time. You have access to the games offline as long as that's where the licenses exist.

 

[TrueGrime]

Here's a link of him asking why his pirated copy of Gothic IV can't be verified in ABGX360:

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/pitanja-oko-rezanja-diskova/5165-verifikacija-igre-u-abgx.html

That's straight-up piracy, no two ways about it.

LOL.

 

[arttq]

If Op was pirating why would he be angry then? He could just download those games he bought elsewhere.

 

[slicedmass]

Here's a link of him asking why his pirated copy of Gothic IV can't be verified in ABGX360:

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/pitanja-oko-rezanja-diskova/5165-verifikacija-igre-u-abgx.html

That's straight-up piracy, no two ways about it.

is that op for sure?

 

[Gattsu25]

A question to the OP...wahad987 is your xbox user name. When I did a search I found this thread..someone using that name was I guess selling region exploit cd keys?


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31428409&postcount=278

?

Here's a link of him asking why his pirated copy of Gothic IV can't be verified in ABGX360:

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/pitanja-oko-rezanja-diskova/5165-verifikacija-igre-u-abgx.html

That's straight-up piracy, no two ways about it.

Oh man. I love this shit.

 

[HellsimusPrime]

Okay so are Wahad and the OP the same person?

 

[HDgaming42]

Oh, so they could just continue charging someone for a service they are no longer receiving?

In what fucking world would that be legal?

What are you, 6? What makes you think you're entitled to anything? If you paid for a 30-day gym subscription and got banned after 5 days from the place for peeking into the ladies room, do you think they would refund the remaining 25 days or allow you to access the gym still because you paid for it? Fuck no.

How many analogies do you require for this to sink in?

 

[Lucid07]

I'm going to have to try this when I get home, but I am pretty sure you're still able to access your digital games without being connected to XBL or the internet. It'll just warn you that you can't connect, etc, and will then allow you to log into your gametag and access things on your console HDD.

I think the problem is the games that aren't downloaded but he owns.

 

[The_Monk]

What about those people who are STILL playing games on flashed console just burning discs and not supporting MS and devs, like for AGES!!!

so, that wahad on a bosnian forum is now selling

And here's a link of him asking why his pirated copy of Gothic IV can't be verified in ABGX360:

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/pitanja-oko-rezanja-diskova/5165-verifikacija-igre-u-abgx.html

That's straight-up piracy, no two ways about it.

Yeah that's him. Same gamertag

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/members/wahad.html

click the about me tab

Go to his profile and click "About me". You can see his Gamercard that shows his Gamertag as "Wahad987".

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/members/wahad.html

I know this may be a coincidence but it would have to be one big, big coincidence my good fellow GAFfers.

I'm not saying that he is the same person as the two other links provided above shows but, on the other way, it sure looks like a bigger coincidence.

Of course, I could be wrong. Not judging him, at all.

 

[Bucket-o-roadkill]

As far as I know there is this case and the other one where the person in question was also sharing season's passes for Saint's Row IV.

I remember reading the previous one, he also said he was playing with 3 other friends the night before he was banned. Apparently one other friend also said he was banned by the next morning, but that was never confirmed, nor did we hear any more of what happened to the other 2. Not really sure what to think of this. I dont see how such a small number of people can be banned for doing this when everyone else gets away with it (if this is about the Oman thing). In the coming weeks, if more people get hit for this I expect it to be huge news..

Pretty ironic really, MS glitches which are pretty amaturish will be pushing these guys to Sony. I'm not condoning the Oman spree, but Sony must be rubbing their hands together if this is the case. I mean, if they are slowly getting around to banning Oman glitchers, surely you're going to go for a PS4. If you're thinking your account could be banned in the next few months, no way are you going to get an XBone.

 

[Mass Effect]

What are you, 6? What makes you think you're entitled to anything? If you paid for a 30-day gym subscription and got banned after 5 days from the place for peeking into the ladies room, do you think they would refund the remaining 25 days or allow you to access the gym still because you paid for it? Fuck no.

No. It's more like if he was a regular customer at Best Buy and one day sees that some games are marked free for Reward Zone members, and uses someone else's reward zone card to get them. And then Best Buy says he broke their rules (but not any laws). Now they can take away the games he used the loophole for, ban him from the store, or whatever. But they can not come to his house and take away everything he bought from BB in the past.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Here's a link of him asking why his pirated copy of Gothic IV can't be verified in ABGX360:

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/pitanja-oko-rezanja-diskova/5165-verifikacija-igre-u-abgx.html

That's straight-up piracy, no two ways about it.

Yeah that's him. Same gamertag

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/members/wahad.html

click the about me tab

 

[The Cowboy]

Those last 2 links pretty much show the reason for the ban (if it is the same person, and it really does look like it is).

 

[mjontrix]

Here's a link of him asking why his pirated copy of Gothic IV can't be verified in ABGX360:

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/pitanja-oko-rezanja-diskova/5165-verifikacija-igre-u-abgx.html

That's straight-up piracy, no two ways about it.

Well done GAF! And for once (unlike on other sites) we have actual evidence to back everything up!

 

[foxdvd]

is that op for sure?

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/playstation-3/5580-[pc]-[ps3]-gamertags.html#post122031

post 5

 

[GavinGT]

I know this may be a coincidence but it would have to be one big, big coincidence fellow GAFfers.

I'm not saying that he is the same person as the two other links provided above shows but, on the other way, it sure looks like a bigger coincidence.

Of course, I could be wrong. Not judging him, at all.

Go to his profile and click "About me". You can see his Gamercard that shows his Gamertag as "Wahad987".

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/members/wahad.html

 

[Valnen]

Here's a link of him asking why his pirated copy of Gothic IV can't be verified in ABGX360:

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/pitanja-oko-rezanja-diskova/5165-verifikacija-igre-u-abgx.html

That's straight-up piracy, no two ways about it.

Hahaha I am laughing so hard right now. If that is indeed the same guy, this is just a genius find. And he's even banned from that website too from the looks of things.

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/playstation-3/5580-[pc]-[ps3]-gamertags.html#post122031

post 5

And the truth is revealed!

 

[Dukey]

Here's a link of him asking why his pirated copy of Gothic IV can't be verified in ABGX360:

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/pitanja-oko-rezanja-diskova/5165-verifikacija-igre-u-abgx.html

That's straight-up piracy, no two ways about it.

The truth always comes out.

 

[Maxim726X]

How many analogies do you require for this to sink in?

Holy fucking shit... We're not talking about a service.

We're talking about a GAME which you purchased to OWN. This isn't some contractual lease which runs out after 3 years. You purchased a game, and now you no longer have access to it.

Frankly I don't understand how this doesn't sink in either.

 

[Lucid07]

so, that wahad on a bosnian forum is now selling



google translation but still...

Look at gamertag as well

http://www.emuglx.org/nextemuforums/user-wahad

 

[clay_ghost]

Oh god . Detective Gaf :0

Hahaahahha I must say, hands down lol

But not relevant, unfortunately

lol
How its that not relevant?

 

[Storm360]

OP

If you have these legit games (Including Diablo 3 since that's in your consoles drive at the time), could you post pictures of them?

If he provides pictures or not, we know what to expect I guess

 

[Osiris]

So full-on thread backfire that will probably lead to his NeoGAF ban too, delicious!

 

[Zumblakladla]

Hahaahahha I must say, hands down lol

But not relevant, unfortunately

 

[syllogism]

I think the problem is the games that aren't downloaded but he owns.

Even if we accept that European users may retain ownership of games they buy on xbox live, downloading those games is absolutely a service

 

[The_Monk]

Yeah that's him. Same gamertag

http://www.xboxrepublika.com/members/wahad.html

click the about me tab

I edited my own post with that info too fellow GAFfer, all the coincidences fellow GAFfers found:

HERE:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=83138061&postcount=1282

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Well, as a poster previously replied it's merely a license that we're purchasing.

And technically, he/she is right. I guess the seller of this license has the right to revoke it at any time. The whole concept doesn't sit well with me, though.

Me neither. I think Diablo III had the same issue on PC if I'm not mistaken.