MrSaturn99
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Pretty dang strong.
Chaozu for god tier
So, just how strong is Piccolo?
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Dagobert Duck
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Goku does have a heart of gold but did he actually ever cared about his children? The guy was ever dead or in some kind of Rocky Trainign Montage. Piccolo actually took care of Gohan for like most of the first two arcs in DBZ. And Vegeta actually does care for his children. Ok he is kinda messed up, but he is more of a family man than Goku ever was.
youngwerther
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It's shown countless times that Goku was a family man.
He has a loving wife and his children love him.
Actually, pretty much everyone loves him. He's basically the GOAT of being a role model.
He was dead? Yeah, because he was SAVING THE FUCKING WORLD (and by extension, the very existence of his family).
That's like saying Jimmie had a shitty father because his father died fighting the Nazis in WWII.
Piccolo grabbed Gohan by the head and threw him through a fucking mountain.
Lord Ghirahim
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Greenpurple.gif levels of strong.
Dagobert Duck
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Everybody loving him, doesnt make him a good father though. All he thinks about is fighting, eating and more fighting...hell the only time he really showed some fatherlove to Gohan was when they were training in the time chamber...once again training. Fighting with your own son doesnt seem like something a good father would do...Goku is a machild and nothing more.
youngwerther
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Virtually none of this is true.
He takes Gohan fishing and on adventures through the countryside. Indeed, it's the very image of a picturesque father-son relationship. He takes him to the party at Master Roshi's.
As for fighting -
You can't say Goku is a bad father-figure for training Gohan yet say Piccolo is a good father-figure for training Gohan.
Goku is a great father.
He clearly loves his kids. He respects them and supports them in their endeavors (he doesn't bat an eye at all the crazy super saiyaman stuff Gohan pulls off). He believes in them and gives them responsibilities that he thinks they can handle (like leaving to Goten and Trunks the task of defeating Buu).
Problem is the guy spends a long time dead so he couldn't be there for Gohan and Goten at critical moments.
He clearly loves his kids. He respects them and supports them in their endeavors (he doesn't bat an eye at all the crazy super saiyaman stuff Gohan pulls off). He believes in them and gives them responsibilities that he thinks they can handle (like leaving to Goten and Trunks the task of defeating Buu).
Problem is the guy spends a long time dead so he couldn't be there for Gohan and Goten at critical moments.
Dagobert Duck
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Ok, ok sometimes he behaves like a father should. He can be a good father if he wants to. I'm sorry.
Back to topic, I think Piccolo is the strongest character who isn't a Saiyan, Android or magical being (Boo is magical, isn't he?)
One thing that shocks me is that nobody else in the earth ever tried to learn Goku's teleportation technique.
It's no surprise Goku is the strongest guy ever. He arrives on earth with a fascinating technique, and everybody is yeah whatever, I gotta go perfect my rouga fufuken. No Goku, I am not interested in learning your fucking teleportation.
e: and fucking Cell learns it from just teleporting with Goku. Almost everybody teleports with Goku at some point, you lazy fucks!
It's no surprise Goku is the strongest guy ever. He arrives on earth with a fascinating technique, and everybody is yeah whatever, I gotta go perfect my rouga fufuken. No Goku, I am not interested in learning your fucking teleportation.
e: and fucking Cell learns it from just teleporting with Goku. Almost everybody teleports with Goku at some point, you lazy fucks!
FreeMufasa
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I don't think him dying is the problem. It's his damn training.
When they ask shenron to bring goku to earth, what did he tell shenron?
"Yeeeeeeeeeeeah, naw Imma chill in space for a whole while"
And then at the end of Z when his wife was asking him the fuck he going? What he said?
"Imma train this lil nigga I met real quick, hol"
10 fucking years tho.
When they ask shenron to bring goku to earth, what did he tell shenron?
"Yeeeeeeeeeeeah, naw Imma chill in space for a whole while"
And then at the end of Z when his wife was asking him the fuck he going? What he said?
"Imma train this lil nigga I met real quick, hol"
10 fucking years tho.
Dagobert Duck
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I think thats the part when he comes back from traveling the galaxy and has this heart-disease...which is like: Dude, you got beaten to death or almost to death quite some times and now you teleport back here and this weird purple-haired-guy tells us Goku got a heart-disease (12 year-old me was like "WHAT!!!!" and now I'm like "What?!?! How is this a problem?")
youngwerther
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Yeah.
I always just assumed that it was understood that no one else could do it. Like there was something about the technique where you had to learn it on that planet first-hand from that race of people or something. Because otherwise there is no explanation.
With Cell it was a bit different because he learned it by integrating with Goku's blown up DNA.
The fact that he can learn a technique from Goku's DNA actually would imply that there really is something special about the technique, if it's actually imprinted in Goku's fucking DNA>
Goku was a deadbeat dad who put his son in mortal danger countless times and placed the weight of the world on his shoulders while keeping him in the dark about everything.
If vegeta treated trunks the way goku treated gohan, trunks probably would have been killed around the age of 4 or 5 in the gravity training room. Unlike Goku, Vegeta understood he was dealing with a child.
Goku was a fucking terrible parent.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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There was a point in time where Piccolo was powerful enough to force Cell to flee. It was Cell's first iteration (Before he absorbed any androids) but it was enough to give Vegeta pause.
By the end of Z he had finished raising Goten already. He could take a sabbatical.
Guess the learning how to teleport with his space bros was more important. IMHO a wise decision.
The part that bothers me is that Piccolo was with him the whole training for the androids time. Piccolo is always shown as this serious, responsible guy, who hears the whole Trunks/Goku conversation, but in the end he is just as dumb as Goku for not reminding him to take his heart medicine.
youngwerther
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Yeah, I get that this is the popular "counter-thought" in regards to Goku's character.
Unfortunately for you, it's all bullshit.
I also can't think of any time he placed his son in danger except with encouraging Gohan to fight Cell, and the alternative was literally the end of the world, so he would have died regardless.
And it worked out because he knew what he was doing anyways.
It was before Cell absorbed a few cities worth of humans. Cell was actually weaker than both piccolo and android 17 at the time.
Goku and Vegeta were just putting the same weight on their sons shoulders that each one had received.
Goku was saving the world when he was a little kid. It's no surprise he thinks little Gohan and little Goten should do the same.
Vegeta had actually been raised by his father. His gravity training is not that different from what the kid saiyans went through during childhood. If anything, Vegeta is going easy on Trunks, probably due to Bulma.
TheVampire
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I think Piccolo is pretty strong by the end of DBZ.
He is heaps stronger than Freezer who at the time set the benchmark for strongest in the Universe.
He is heaps stronger than Freezer who at the time set the benchmark for strongest in the Universe.
FreeMufasa
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Yamcha peaked out around 2,000-3,000
Dude was training in a gym at one point :lol
Dude was training in a gym at one point :lol
BudokaiMR2
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This thread reminds me of my 9th grade algebra class.
That is all.
lol
That is all.
lol
This is an interesting question. Obviously Krillin is stronger by the time the Freezer saga ends, having gone through the Nappa/Vegeta fight, then the whole adventures in Namek and the lifting to his whole potential by the fat Namekian whose name escapes me.
It's hard to say who is stronger in the android saga, but something important happens there; he marries 18, and afterwards, all his training happens against her.
So I wouldn't be surprised if Krillin could kick Tien's ass by the time of the Buu saga.
e: I don't know how much the king kai training matters. For one, Krillin doesn't really have a chance to fight most of the Ginyuu force, and he has to fight Freezer at one point. On the other hand, neither Tien, nor Yamcha, nor Chaotzu (lol) nor Piccolo actually learn anything from King Kai. They never use the kaiohken or anything. I am not sure if he trained them at all.
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Krillin settled down and stopped training once he started a family. The only human that still bothered training seriously after the cell saga was Tien.
And Krillin never had as much natural talent nor the training drive of Tien.
sixteen-bit
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I believe his power level eventually surpassed 9000
Byakuya769
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I think Goku is a great father to people who don't have great fathers. Goku is that dad who let's his kids do whatever they want during his monthly visit. There's a reason Gohan wore Piccolo clothes.
Thinking about it in-depth, I feel bad for Piccolo and the humans. While the show's saiyans are so naturally gifted that they have children practically born with god-like powers, Tien and Piccolo can struggle and train forever and barely be a spec to them by the end of the show. I think DBZ went a bit overboard with the power level and saiyan stuff. It would have been nice to have some impressive stuff come from not-blond, glowy people in the show, along the lines of Piccolo pre Cell transformations and Tien actually standing up to cell, more often with a greater magnitude. At least once, I wanted to see Krillin push himself and surprise everyone with some impressive fighting prowess against a villain, for example, but they rendered him basically useless in DBZ from episode one.
FreeMufasa
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I always assumed they all learned kaioken but just did it the goku way during his fight with frieza. Using it but hiding the red shit.
Also lol at the fat nameikain
16 was still stronger.
Perspicacity
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Yamcha did it right. He saw the bullshit advantages the Saiyan folks had and bowed the fuck out of the world-saving business to go use his superpowers to play professional sports rather than fighting gods.
Pegosaurus
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But Piccolo is dead
anarckitty
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Totally misread that as, "So, just how strong is Pinocchio?"
Curse you dyslexia.
Curse you dyslexia.
GT is non-canon.
Pegosaurus
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Was this officially stated? I thought Toriyama was involved with GT somewhat . If I'm wrong disregard the Piccolo being dead thing .
DiipuSurotu
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Officially the word "canon" doesn't exist in this franchise.
Battle of the Gods has basically made GT non-canon.
Snacks the sober sea lion
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Strong enough to defeat movie minions in time to be knocked out by the villain.
youngwerther
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King Piccolo > Ma Junior anyday.
Piccolo did not take care for Gohan the first two arcs. Piccolo kidnapped him, abused him for an entire year, and forced him to fight Nappa. And yes, Piccolo died to save him from Nappa....Goku died to save Gohan TWICE.
Goku spent Gohan's first 5 years with him, and only missed the Saiyan training arc because he was dead, both Goku and Piccolo showed up to Namek late.
Gohan spent the 3 years of training and the 1 year in the Time Chamber telling Goku how he wanted to fight, the instant Goku put him in a fight then magically Gohan gets cold feet and says he doesn't wanna fight. Not Goku's fault Cell Games Gohan was a chump.
Consensus is that Tien has always been stronger than Krillin, with the possible exception being a brief time after the Guru power boost on Namek.
I agree with this; Tien has always been shown to be stronger, faster, more serious about training, having a wider array of impressive techniques, superior skill at ki manipulation and generally greater feats and destructive output. Krillin's constant presence in DBZ has misled people into thinking he was the "best human," when that's clearly not the case.
I agree with this; Tien has always been shown to be stronger, faster, more serious about training, having a wider array of impressive techniques, superior skill at ki manipulation and generally greater feats and destructive output. Krillin's constant presence in DBZ has misled people into thinking he was the "best human," when that's clearly not the case.
No, there was never such a implication during neither original DB or DBZ. In original dragonball tien was far ahead of krillin as we could see on the 22 tournament when krillin was fight goku and couldn't stand a chance in direct combat while tien was on the same level as goku. That difference remained during the entire original db.
In DBZ when the saiyans arrived it's confirmed that tien had higher pl then krillin. From that point on they almost became useless side kicks who were underpowered but at least tien was able to hold cell for some time and he even managed to block a buu's attack so it's kind of obvious that he was still stronger then krilin.
And unlike Krillin, he continued his training in the 7 years between the cell and buu sagas. And the 10 years between the Buu Saga and the final manga chapters.
The only "indication" that krillin was stronger than tien is when his kid is worried sick about his safety and yamcha reassures her that he's the strongest guy on the planet. But there's no reason to believe it wasn't just an adult telling a frightened child that everything was going to be okay.
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