Pokemon X and Y SPOILER Discussion Thread

MisterAnderson said:
Question about EVs. I am super training Pokemon right now but when I got to check out their stats in the summary page, they haven't changed at all?
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EVs are more of a roadmap than a lumpsum bonus. At best, you'll have one of the stats bump a few when maxing out EVs without leveling involved. Once you level and see the "+3" s, you'll know the stuff is working.
 
My current team after defeating the 3rd gym. 20 damn hours into the game
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Kadabra - 35
Blaziken - 40
Chespin - 37
Tyrunt - 31
Bagon - 27
Wartortle - 34

I'll probably dump Bagon for an electric type once I catch a good one. Once I get fly I'll head back to that forest and look around for Pikachu I suppose.
 
Ultimadrago said:
EVs are more of a roadmap than a lumpsum bonus. At best, you'll have one of the stats bump a few when maxing out EVs without leveling involved. Once you level and see the "+3" s, you'll know the stuff is working.
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I've luckily been making note of how many points I've been adding through Super Training, but is there anywhere in the game that specifically lists EVs? Or just that meter on the right that is a lump sum of your total EV training progress?
 
I have a question. At what level should I start aggressively using Super Training to train my Pokemon in EV's? Is it the sooner the better, or whenever?
 
DoctorWhovian said:
I have a question. At what level should I start aggressively using Super Training to train my Pokemon in EV's? Is it the sooner the better, or whenever?
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The nice thing about EV training is that you can tackle it whenever and it doesn't really make a difference either way. Just so long as you take care of it at some point. The nice part about doing it early is that you don't have to worry about EV gains in stats you don't want due to battling. That necessitates a Reset bag and sometimes those can be stubborn in showing themselves. If you max out your EVs early, it doesn't matter who you fight going forward.

I've been doing it immediately as soon as I add a Pokemon to my regular team rotation but the reality is that it's completely unnecessary for single-player. Multi-player is where EV training will bear fruit and even that will only apply for the first couple months when everyone will bring over their RNG abused perfect 31 IV Pokemon over from prior gens that will decimate anything you could possibly have on hand right now.

MisterAnderson said:
I've luckily been making note of how many points I've been adding through Super Training, but is there anywhere in the game that specifically lists EVs? Or just that meter on the right that is a lump sum of your total EV training progress?
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Just the one overall meter but a trick you can abuse is to get a Reset bag, save your game, use the Reset bag, see how the EV decreases fully break down across all stats once it's applied and then soft reset to get back to where you were before the Reset bag was used.

You can do that for exact numbers. Otherwise, the polygonal graph on the main Super Training screen will give you a rough indicator of how your EVs map out.
 
UberTag said:
The nice thing about EV training is that you can tackle it whenever and it doesn't really make a difference either way. Just so long as you take care of it at some point.

I've been doing it immediately as soon as I add a Pokemon to my regular team rotation but the reality is that it's completely unnecessary for single-player. Multi-player is where EV training will bear fruit and even that will only apply for the first couple months when everyone will bring over their RNG abused perfect 31 IV Pokemon over from prior gens that will decimate anything you could possibly have on hand right now.
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Oh okay, thanks! I wasn't sure if I was screwing up the chances of being good by not EV training even though I'm already in the 31-40 level range. So what you mean about the perfect Pokemon is that they will destroy everything no matter what cause they were made to be perfect?
 
LuuKyK said:
Just reached the pokéflute part and that moment when the main character and Serena are talking on the balcony with the fireworks... my god, was that dialogue cringe-worthy. :lol
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I thought it was supposed to be cringe-worthy on her part- she's a 4th/5th grader....at most.
 
UberTag said:
Just the one overall meter but a trick you can abuse is to get a Reset bag, save your game, use the Reset bag, see how the EV decreases fully break down across all stats once it's applied and then soft reset to get back to where you were before the Reset bag was used.

You can do that for exact numbers. Otherwise, the polygonal graph on the main Super Training screen will give you a rough indicator of how your EVs map out.
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I still don't even see where my total EV stats are located. When I go to my base stats they are not directly represented there. According to my notes, which could be a little off, I've roughly trained 216 Special Attack EVs and 228 Speed EVs so far. The Speed and Special Attack stats for my Alakazam are both 79 and 66 right now in the summary page.
 
MisterAnderson said:
I still don't even see where my total EV stats are located. When I go to my base stats they are not directly represented there. According to my notes, which could be a little off, I've roughly trained 216 Special Attack EVs and 228 Speed EVs so far. The Speed and Special Attack stats for my Alakazam are both 79 and 66 right now in the summary page.
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You need to ignore your actual Pokemon's stats when processing how EVs work. If you've maxed out EVs in a stat category, you will see +2/+3 increases every level up but this is wholly dependent on your Pokemon. EVs allow them to reach their full potential in a stat but they don't directly impact the number on a 1-to-1 basis.

As for the EV math, you'll get that when you apply a Reset bag (as I noted above). You can also have the piece of mind that once you max out a stat category at 252, any super training you do above and beyond that number will no longer apply.
 
UberTag said:
You need to ignore your actual Pokemon's stats when processing how EVs work. If you've maxed out EVs in a stat category, you will see +2/+3 increases every level up but this is wholly dependent on your Pokemon. EVs allow them to reach their full potential in a stat but they don't directly impact the number on a 1-to-1 basis.

As for the EV math, you'll get that when you apply a Reset bag (as I noted above). You can also have the piece of mind that once you max out a stat category at 252, any super training you do above and beyond that number will no longer apply.
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So 252 is the max it will allow me to do in 1 stat? so just keep maxing out one until it doesn't do it anymore basically, then move on to the next, and I should be good to go?
 
Hey can someone tell me when you can delete HMs? I just got mega evolving. How far away am I from the move deleter? I taught my Machoke Strength and now I can't trade to make him a Machamp :(
 
MisterAnderson said:
So 252 is the max it will allow me to do in 1 stat? so just keep maxing out one until it doesn't do it anymore basically, then move on to the next, and I should be good to go?
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Pretty much.
That's a straightforward approach to things that will pay off most of the time.

There are other instances where you will split EVs (i.e. a mixed attacker) or only invest a certain amount in speed (to outpace a known threat in multi-player at their max speed potential but still afford you more EVs in other categories) - but prioritizing on two key stats that play to your pokemon's strengths (stats/moveset) is routinely the best approach.
 
I find it pretty cool that it's not really necessary to do anything special to find the name of every TM, move, and ability in the game thanks to the PC's ridiculously in depth search system.

In fact, the extensiveness of the UI improvements in XY are awesome...
 
Gentle Rodriguez said:
Damn, the Lucario I got has pretty good IV's. 25 in atk and sp atk and 31 in Speed. Will make use of this in post-game.
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I think the Lucario you get in the story is rigged to always be able to outspeed his opponent (otherwise the fight would be unwinnable). I noticed the 31 Speed IV myself and had someone else look at the IV as well and he got maxed speed as well.
 
Hey, anyone knows the rivals final team? My starter is Chespin, and I don't like it if I pick a Pokemon that my rival had in their team :(
 
cliophate said:
It also took me 2 Ultra balls. But damn
Zygarde wasted 30 Ultra balls. Not even Mewtwo was that annoying.
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I've found the catch rates in general to be a lot lower in this game than in the past. Like, no matter how low any mon's hp is, if he is not sleepimg or paralyzed he's going to break out of the first couple balls. The evee I caught last night took like a dozen great balls.
 
Anoregon said:
I've found the catch rates in general to be a lot lower in this game than in the past. Like, no matter how low any mon's hp is, if he is not sleepimg or paralyzed he's going to break out of the first couple balls. The evee I caught last night took like a dozen great balls.
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Really?

Other than one really dumb murkrow encounter (12 ultra balls and a couple of timer balls fuuuuuuu) things have been really easy to catch.
 
So what exactly is the deal with the Lost Hotel? I went in there when passing by, but I wasn't "cool enough" or something to meet their boss. Anyone know what's up?
 
Question: Why are people bothering to use Ultra Balls on Zygarde? Isn't he in a cave, making Duskballs 2x better?
 
What the fuck?

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Serebii said:
The backpacker who talks about another region in the hotels you visit gave me this item - this was on the fourth day I found and spoke to him.


There was also a maid outside who hinted that you maybe shouldn't sell the item or throw it away, so it'll obviously be of use at some point in the future. The backpacker also states that the region he's talking about is not any of the previous five.
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Yeah, for folks who have pretty standard work schedules, dusk balls are the shit because I'm usually playing stuff at night.
 
speedlolita said:
Oh boy one of my Bagon has relatively superior potential in regards to IVs.



http://serebii.net/xy/rollerskates.shtml
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Oh, cool. That's... less exciting than I was expecting, but whatever, haha.

Also, what exactly is up with the Pokeradar in this game? I've been getting a surprising number of "now is not the time" messages while using it in grass, and only ever got it to actually work once. Has anyone managed to figure out if it works for chaining like in gen IV yet?

Edit: Also, anyone find a particularly good place for getting money yet? It's surprisingly actually important in this game.
 
Amulet Coin on Elite Four gives you $136,640 per run.

I haven't calculated what the level 3 Café battle menu gives you when used with an Amulet Coin yet - but that is far less time consuming. Shall do that later I think.
 
Any word on finding Dream World Pokemon/Abilities in XY? I never bothered with it last gen but some of the stuff that could be found in there is pretty monstrous.
 
Boogiepop said:
Oh, cool. That's... less exciting than I was expecting, but whatever, haha.

Also, what exactly is up with the Pokeradar in this game? I've been getting a surprising number of "now is not the time" messages while using it in grass, and only ever got it to actually work once. Has anyone managed to figure out if it works for chaining like in gen IV yet?

Edit: Also, anyone find a particularly good place for getting money yet? It's surprisingly actually important in this game.
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Don't use rollerblades when using Radar. Use the DPad. Using rollerblades prompts the message you're getting.
 
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