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[Krusenstern]

I would like to preface this by saying I have no particular allegiance to any company.

It irks me when people, especially Sony fanboys as of late, close their eyes to what's really going on around them. It's my duty to drop a duecer of knowledge-- a dose of reality, if you will--on you every once in a while. Or just Read the tea leaves, fellas.

The tiny minority picked the Wii, and you laughed. Another minority said the 360 might break 50 mil, and you ridiculed. Still yet, a whole lot of you argued that the psp/vita marked the doom of Nintendo and Sony would do raise the handheld market out of the ghetto. Sure. I believe you. Got any stock tips? And that's just a small taste.

Those who want to see the XB1 fail are like flies on the grill of Microsoft's fast-moving 'stang that's ever changing gears to get to where they want to go. All those moneyhats that you can't stand (DR3, Titanfall, COD DLC, etc.) is simply them doing whatever they need to do to position themselves as #1. All those 180's, all that pr head-spinning double-talk, all those pretty events and mountain dew promo's.... it all serves a purpose.

There will be no check too fat, no 180 too difficult that MS won't be willing to do to make sure XB1 is, at worst, relevant. Price-drops, 3-6 month exclusives, dlc exlcusives, bundles, kinect-less versions, payment plan versions... everything is on the table. "Do only as much as you must" is their motto. It's not what we want to hear, sure. We want a Titan-powered console on 30 watts for $199 with free online play. But we're only going to get what the market will bear. Blame the casuals. Blame Microsoft. Blame yourselves, even.

Just know, your voice does not matter in this "war". Sony, too, only does what it must. The inevitable is inevitable whether you're willing to accept it or not. Having a short-sighted view on things can only keep you happy for so long...

What a load of brain fart. The only one with a short sighted view are you.

Pretending to be the enlightened one here. Oh messiah! And never forget the usual hivemind talks about GAF.
And of course it's all about the console wars. You got us.

The inevitable is inevitable whether you're willing to accept it or not.

I also hate this kind of attitude.

 

[mrklaw]

I would like to preface this by saying I have no particular allegiance to any company.

It irks me when people, especially Sony fanboys as of late, close their eyes to what's really going on around them. It's my duty to drop a duecer of knowledge-- a dose of reality, if you will--on you every once in a while. Or just Read the tea leaves, fellas.

The tiny minority picked the Wii, and you laughed. Another minority said the 360 might break 50 mil, and you ridiculed. Still yet, a whole lot of you argued that the psp/vita marked the doom of Nintendo and Sony would do raise the handheld market out of the ghetto. Sure. I believe you. Got any stock tips? And that's just a small taste.

Those who want to see the XB1 fail are like flies on the grill of Microsoft's fast-moving 'stang that's ever changing gears to get to where they want to go. All those moneyhats that you can't stand (DR3, Titanfall, COD DLC, etc.) is simply them doing whatever they need to do to position themselves as #1. All those 180's, all that pr head-spinning double-talk, all those pretty events and mountain dew promo's.... it all serves a purpose.

There will be no check too fat, no 180 too difficult that MS won't be willing to do to make sure XB1 is, at worst, relevant. Price-drops, 3-6 month exclusives, dlc exlcusives, bundles, kinect-less versions, payment plan versions... everything is on the table. "Do only as much as you must" is their motto. It's not what we want to hear, sure. We want a Titan-powered console on 30 watts for $199 with free online play. But we're only going to get what the market will bear. Blame the casuals. Blame Microsoft. Blame yourselves, even.

Just know, your voice does not matter in this "war". Sony, too, only does what it must. The inevitable is inevitable whether you're willing to accept it or not. Having a short-sighted view on things can only keep you happy for so long...

other than you being hilarious - MS has plenty of history of failed projects, where after significant investment they just call it a day and cancel it. There is no such thing as unlimited money, no such thing as 'no check too fat'. They have shareholders to appease and Xbox one might be a mish-mash of things with no clear identity *because* of the need to bring in revenue quickly.

And if it fails, they'll pull the rug if they think it'll upset the results of the rest of the company.

The only people with an emotional connection to xbox are fanboys. I doubt there are many people on the board of MS that have such a connection - too many red quarters and they'll kill it.

 

[lifeexpectancy]

I would like to preface this by saying I have no particular allegiance to any company.

It irks me when people, especially Sony fanboys as of late, close their eyes to what's really going on around them. It's my duty to drop a duecer of knowledge-- a dose of reality, if you will--on you every once in a while. Or just Read the tea leaves, fellas.

The tiny minority picked the Wii, and you laughed. Another minority said the 360 might break 50 mil, and you ridiculed. Still yet, a whole lot of you argued that the psp/vita marked the doom of Nintendo and Sony would do raise the handheld market out of the ghetto. Sure. I believe you. Got any stock tips? And that's just a small taste.

Those who want to see the XB1 fail are like flies on the grill of Microsoft's fast-moving 'stang that's ever changing gears to get to where they want to go. All those moneyhats that you can't stand (DR3, Titanfall, COD DLC, etc.) is simply them doing whatever they need to do to position themselves as #1. All those 180's, all that pr head-spinning double-talk, all those pretty events and mountain dew promo's.... it all serves a purpose.

There will be no check too fat, no 180 too difficult that MS won't be willing to do to make sure XB1 is, at worst, relevant. Price-drops, 3-6 month exclusives, dlc exlcusives, bundles, kinect-less versions, payment plan versions... everything is on the table. "Do only as much as you must" is their motto. It's not what we want to hear, sure. We want a Titan-powered console on 30 watts for $199 with free online play. But we're only going to get what the market will bear. Blame the casuals. Blame Microsoft. Blame yourselves, even.

Just know, your voice does not matter in this "war". Sony, too, only does what it must. The inevitable is inevitable whether you're willing to accept it or not. Having a short-sighted view on things can only keep you happy for so long...

Funny thing is I don't think many people here are deluded enough to think that MS or the Xbox brand will become completely irrelevant due to the mistakes they've made with the XB1. However, they most likely WILL lose mindshare and markeshare to Sony. Those of us around here with any common sense can see that. We're ALSO not deluded enough to believe that MS will somehow rise to #1 just pay paying enough $$ to get there, at least not in this upcoming generation.

And the voice that echoes from this place reverberates across the entire gaming sphere worldwide. Just look what happened with the anti-DRM movement. Do you honestly believe MS would've caved and pulled their 180 if not for the no-DRM movement, one INITIATED by the core audience here and other similar places? You're living in some sort of fantasy world, or have just become hopelessly enured to the system, if you believe consumers' collective voice can't be heard and effect change.


PS - There's a big difference between true exclusives and TIMED exclusives. Big difference. Huge.

 

[UnluckyKate]

if only had, i don't know....... GAMES?

with the lack of hard selling exclusive on the 360 (beside Halo and Gears) and the horrible last to years of the system, I'd wouldn't bet on it again. Just saying. They have good games, but they all end up on PC. And for the few that don't, well I don't care much (Viva Pinata, Forza...)

 

[Pyramid head]

I would like to preface this by saying I have no particular allegiance to any company.

It irks me when people, especially Sony fanboys as of late, close their eyes to what's really going on around them. It's my duty to drop a duecer of knowledge-- a dose of reality, if you will--on you every once in a while. Or just Read the tea leaves, fellas.

The tiny minority picked the Wii, and you laughed. Another minority said the 360 might break 50 mil, and you ridiculed. Still yet, a whole lot of you argued that the psp/vita marked the doom of Nintendo and Sony would do raise the handheld market out of the ghetto. Sure. I believe you. Got any stock tips? And that's just a small taste.

Those who want to see the XB1 fail are like flies on the grill of Microsoft's fast-moving 'stang that's ever changing gears to get to where they want to go. All those moneyhats that you can't stand (DR3, Titanfall, COD DLC, etc.) is simply them doing whatever they need to do to position themselves as #1. All those 180's, all that pr head-spinning double-talk, all those pretty events and mountain dew promo's.... it all serves a purpose.

There will be no check too fat, no 180 too difficult that MS won't be willing to do to make sure XB1 is, at worst, relevant. Price-drops, 3-6 month exclusives, dlc exlcusives, bundles, kinect-less versions, payment plan versions... everything is on the table. "Do only as much as you must" is their motto. It's not what we want to hear, sure. We want a Titan-powered console on 30 watts for $199 with free online play. But we're only going to get what the market will bear. Blame the casuals. Blame Microsoft. Blame yourselves, even.

Just know, your voice does not matter in this "war". Sony, too, only does what it must. The inevitable is inevitable whether you're willing to accept it or not. Having a short-sighted view on things can only keep you happy for so long...

Is it your duty to make me cringe a little too?

Also, if "our" voice doesn't matter, why did the 180's happen?

 

[hoos30]

At a guess I'd say they could price match Sony if they dropped Kinect. any further movement on pricing would cut into profits/increase losses per unit.

They aren't going to drop Kinect. They will lower the price if they need to. But dropping the Kinect camera gains them almost nothing (BoM for a camera), while it loses them a ton (their differentiation from PS4, millions of lines of software written for it, etc.)

 

[Xenon]

Their console appeals to more consumers, OP. The 500 price tag is not that ridiculous if you compare it to other electronic gifts. Once you consider that its one the whole family can use, its not that expensive. All MS needs is one killer app/game with mass appeal for their system and it could explode.

 

[hoos30]

with the lack of hard selling exclusive on the 360 (beside Halo and Gears) and the horrible last to years of the system, I'd wouldn't bet on it again. Just saying. They have good games, but they all end up on PC. And for the few that don't, well I don't care much (Viva Pinata, Forza...)

Really?

Edit: PS3 just snapped the 360's 32 month NPD win streak. Where is the "horrible" in that?

 

[UnluckyKate]

Really?

You can't say that Sony didn't a much more varied and original exclusive line up for the last two years.

Edit : oh you meant system selling ? I was talking games, answering his comment on games

 

[ironcreed]

As it stands, it looks ridiculous next to a more powerful, easier to develop for PS4 @ $400. I was actually really warming up to some of the launch titles, but common sense has prevailed. The games can wait until the price drops. Selling this thing for $500 on top of all this nightmarish PR is madness.

 

[Hindle]

with the lack of hard selling exclusive on the 360 (beside Halo and Gears) and the horrible last to years of the system, I'd wouldn't bet on it again. Just saying. They have good games, but they all end up on PC. And for the few that don't, well I don't care much (Viva Pinata, Forza...)

Halo 4 was the best selling exclusive of last year, Horizon was the most well received. The general gaming public disagree with your comments about these last two years.

 

[DBT85]

Two such posts from tradoff in one day. Nice.

 

[Krusenstern]

Their console appeals to more consumers, OP. The 500 price tag is not that ridiculous if you compare it to other electronic gifts. Once you consider that its one the whole family can use, its not that expensive. All MS needs is one killer app/game with mass appeal for their system and it could explode.

You're delusional.

How in the flying fuck do you come to the conclusion that this console appeals more to consumers?
The 500 $/€ price tag is probably the main reason why this won't be the case if the alternative is 100 $/€ cheaper.
The "whole family" can also use the PS4. No different to the Xbone. And unlike Xbone the PS4 doesn't lock services and apps behind a paywall. All that and the positive word of mouth for the PS4 will go a long way into making it the more successful console.

 

[UnluckyKate]

Halo 4 was the best selling exclusive of last year, Horizon was the most well received. The general gaming public disagree with your comments about these last two years.

I can't argue with numbers and I enjoyed Halo 4 myself. But I stand my point. Another Halo and another Forza. Another Gears. While this year...

 

[Taker34]

Really?

Edit: PS3 just snapped the 360's 32 month NPD win streak. Where is the "horrible" in that?

Just look at the exclusive MS titles this year for example GoW:J. While Sony did Last of Us, Beyond, GoW:A, Sly Cooper etc.
Same in 2012, MS did Halo 4 and a bunch of shitty Kinect titles. Sony: Twisted Metal, Starhawk, R&C: FFA, Tokyo Jungle, Tales of Xillia 2 etc.

Microsoft didn't give a shit since they figured out that 3 IP's for 8 years are enough to milk. The NPD numbers just show that the 360 is popular in the US. I have a 360 myself but the support was almost no existent - game-wise.

 

[Hindle]

I can't argue with numbers and I enjoyed Halo 4 myself. But I stand my point. Another Halo and another Forza. Another Gears. While this year...

In the last two years Sony have released another UC, another Resistance, another Killzone. By your logic, thier line up is terrible as well. Publishers tend to release sequels to thier best selling franchises, it's business.

As for this year, well State of Decay was a great game. The 360 is in its 8th year as well, compared to the 7th for the PS3. You can expect next year to be pretty basic for the PS3.

 

[conman]

I would like to preface this by saying I have no particular allegiance to any company.

It irks me when people, especially Sony fanboys as of late, close their eyes to what's really going on around them. It's my duty to drop a duecer of knowledge-- a dose of reality, if you will--on you every once in a while. Or just Read the tea leaves, fellas.

The tiny minority picked the Wii, and you laughed. Another minority said the 360 might break 50 mil, and you ridiculed. Still yet, a whole lot of you argued that the psp/vita marked the doom of Nintendo and Sony would do raise the handheld market out of the ghetto. Sure. I believe you. Got any stock tips? And that's just a small taste.

Those who want to see the XB1 fail are like flies on the grill of Microsoft's fast-moving 'stang that's ever changing gears to get to where they want to go. All those moneyhats that you can't stand (DR3, Titanfall, COD DLC, etc.) is simply them doing whatever they need to do to position themselves as #1. All those 180's, all that pr head-spinning double-talk, all those pretty events and mountain dew promo's.... it all serves a purpose.

There will be no check too fat, no 180 too difficult that MS won't be willing to do to make sure XB1 is, at worst, relevant. Price-drops, 3-6 month exclusives, dlc exlcusives, bundles, kinect-less versions, payment plan versions... everything is on the table. "Do only as much as you must" is their motto. It's not what we want to hear, sure. We want a Titan-powered console on 30 watts for $199 with free online play. But we're only going to get what the market will bear. Blame the casuals. Blame Microsoft. Blame yourselves, even.

Just know, your voice does not matter in this "war". Sony, too, only does what it must. The inevitable is inevitable whether you're willing to accept it or not. Having a short-sighted view on things can only keep you happy for so long...

Hate to bring up the elephant in the room, but the reason this strategy won't work anymore (going after the "mainstream") is because most of the audience that made the Wii a success has long since shifted to mobile/tablet gaming. That ship has sailed.

-Nintendo realized it too late and is suffering for it in the Wii U market.

-MS got a taste for that market with Kinect, but MS started to see the shifting tide during its announcement cycle over the past year (hence the infamous 180s). They've been going after the "trend setter" and "early adopter" market like mad, but can't catch a break because their entire strategy was aimed at the "Kinect family."

-Sony never really got a foothold in the Wii-casual market. They already shifted strategy back toward traditional gamers during the PS3 cycle, so they've been on target for a while. Now it's paying off for them.

 

[Nzyme32]

It's getting close to launch and as games are wrapping up its become clear that unless the pxone is hard to program for, the ps4 does indeed have more brute force. 720p vs 1080p out the gate is pretty hard to swallow. I'd take 900p and call it close but come on MS.

So if the one were kinect less that would shave off 150 maybe? So why are they trying to pass the box off as something it isn't worth? They'll already be getting live monies from those who decide to jump ahead, they've already botched everything and sullied the Xbox brand, why not just suck it up already and cut the price? Leave kinect in for the life of the system instead of thinking about separating the two and just admit you screwed up just about everything. Even the price. BE A MAN MICROSOFT.

To me at least, it seems clear that the kinect is being forced on consumers as MS see an excellent source of new revenue through kinect based ads that are better informed by tracking data of different demographics. Moreover, with deals being cut with television networks, there are more oppertunities for ad placements (nu-ads) and data gathering. This data can be gathered overtime and is extraordinarily valuable to certain companies, and you bet your ass they plan to sell this data.

On the one hand from a consumer perspective, this isn't exactly all bad. The kinect hardware is updated and more likely to be useful in some games. Furthermore, targeted ads could be seen as less nuisance as they should be relevant to the particular party looking at it and therefore at least of interest to someone rather than the typical ads.

But the reality of it is that the kinect is not being used in a manner that is of benefit to the consumer. The games can only be as good as the hardware allows and the hardware is still incredible poor suffering from latency and poor implementation. Personally I really want to mess with it to see if the heart tracking via kinect is actually accurate, because I simply don't think it will be. If it is though, this should be made a big deal of, as with the right dev tools this could be implemented into many games with great effect.

MS will justify it the $499 price as the kinect is the "future" and there will be games that break new ground with it. Really though, this will likely be limited to first party titles. Perhaps with MS VR/AR later in its life there may be a change but I am not sure.

A better question is whether MS has justified the price to you, thats all that matters along with games and fun. Again personally, I am pretty furious with MS. Mistakes can be made for sure, but despite the many 180s in policy for the better, they continue to issue marketing nonsense and non-answers about almost any topic they are questioned on, and the truth always comes out much later. There is very little transparency and my faith in them providing an excellent gaming experience and service is now at its lowest point.

 

[Nymphae]

I would like to preface this by saying I have no particular allegiance to any company.

It irks me when people, especially Sony fanboys as of late, close their eyes to what's really going on around them. It's my duty to drop a duecer of knowledge-- a dose of reality, if you will--on you every once in a while. Or just Read the tea leaves, fellas.

The tiny minority picked the Wii, and you laughed. Another minority said the 360 might break 50 mil, and you ridiculed. Still yet, a whole lot of you argued that the psp/vita marked the doom of Nintendo and Sony would do raise the handheld market out of the ghetto. Sure. I believe you. Got any stock tips? And that's just a small taste.

Those who want to see the XB1 fail are like flies on the grill of Microsoft's fast-moving 'stang that's ever changing gears to get to where they want to go. All those moneyhats that you can't stand (DR3, Titanfall, COD DLC, etc.) is simply them doing whatever they need to do to position themselves as #1. All those 180's, all that pr head-spinning double-talk, all those pretty events and mountain dew promo's.... it all serves a purpose.

There will be no check too fat, no 180 too difficult that MS won't be willing to do to make sure XB1 is, at worst, relevant. Price-drops, 3-6 month exclusives, dlc exlcusives, bundles, kinect-less versions, payment plan versions... everything is on the table. "Do only as much as you must" is their motto. It's not what we want to hear, sure. We want a Titan-powered console on 30 watts for $199 with free online play. But we're only going to get what the market will bear. Blame the casuals. Blame Microsoft. Blame yourselves, even.

Just know, your voice does not matter in this "war". Sony, too, only does what it must. The inevitable is inevitable whether you're willing to accept it or not. Having a short-sighted view on things can only keep you happy for so long...

That is a lot of words to say "Just wait, you'll see."

 

[dark10x]

MS is "justified" at $500 the same way the Wii U is "justified" at $300 and PS4 at $400. This shit costs what it costs to manufacture.

If you feel there is value in that price you will buy it. If not you won't.

For example for Wii U I don't think anyone has ever said "how can Nintendo be charging $300 for what you get?" Instead it's usually "still too much for a few Nintendo games" or "Why don't they just sell a version without the Gamepad?" (Neither of which I agree with. Was just pointing out)

Same thing with XBONE. I have no doubt that the hardware sports a BOM that supports the $500 price tag. So that's what it costs. And yeah, Kinect is likely that $100 premium over PS4. Still that's the direction MS wants to go, and if they maintain that direction I wouldn't expect pricing parity until later in the gen.

Wii U topped out at $350 though.

 

[BlastProcessing]

I would like to preface this by saying I have no particular allegiance to any company.

It irks me when people, especially Sony fanboys as of late, close their eyes to what's really going on around them. It's my duty to drop a duecer of knowledge-- a dose of reality, if you will--on you every once in a while. Or just Read the tea leaves, fellas.

The tiny minority picked the Wii, and you laughed. Another minority said the 360 might break 50 mil, and you ridiculed. Still yet, a whole lot of you argued that the psp/vita marked the doom of Nintendo and Sony would do raise the handheld market out of the ghetto. Sure. I believe you. Got any stock tips? And that's just a small taste.

Those who want to see the XB1 fail are like flies on the grill of Microsoft's fast-moving 'stang that's ever changing gears to get to where they want to go. All those moneyhats that you can't stand (DR3, Titanfall, COD DLC, etc.) is simply them doing whatever they need to do to position themselves as #1. All those 180's, all that pr head-spinning double-talk, all those pretty events and mountain dew promo's.... it all serves a purpose.

There will be no check too fat, no 180 too difficult that MS won't be willing to do to make sure XB1 is, at worst, relevant. Price-drops, 3-6 month exclusives, dlc exlcusives, bundles, kinect-less versions, payment plan versions... everything is on the table. "Do only as much as you must" is their motto. It's not what we want to hear, sure. We want a Titan-powered console on 30 watts for $199 with free online play. But we're only going to get what the market will bear. Blame the casuals. Blame Microsoft. Blame yourselves, even.

Just know, your voice does not matter in this "war". Sony, too, only does what it must. The inevitable is inevitable whether you're willing to accept it or not. Having a short-sighted view on things can only keep you happy for so long...

 

[crazygambit]

Because it comes with Kinect. Easy Answer. Minus Kinect both systems are worth about $399

PS4 has better hardware, X1 has better Online Infastructure. PS4 has more potential for 1st Party Studios, Xbox One has the better lineup for Launch exclusives.

You just have to decide what important to you, and if you think Kinect is worth $100.

Shouldn't Microsoft be trying to sell me on why Kinect is worth the premium? So far all they've done is tell me it can be unplugged and the console will work without it...

 

[Newt]

Shouldn't Microsoft be trying to sell me on why Kinect is worth the premium? So far all they've done is tell me it can be unplugged and the console will work without it...

You haven't seen all the tech demos? You expect someone to knock on your door or something?

 

[Xenon]

You're delusional.

How in the flying fuck do you come to the conclusion that this console appeals more to consumers?
The 500 $/€ price tag is probably the main reason why this won't be the case if the alternative is 100 $/€ cheaper.
The "whole family" can also use the PS4. No different to the Xbone. And unlike Xbone the PS4 doesn't lock services and apps behind a paywall. All that and the positive word of mouth for the PS4 will go a long way into making it the more successful console.

Wii sales and Kinect sales would disagree with you. Please don't compare Sony's weak ass attempts with PS Move to either of the latter two. It was just done to add a bullet point to their stat sheets. The whole point of why so many of core/hardcore gamers favor the PS4 this upcoming gen is the fact that Sony's focus was on making the most powerful machine and blasting the XBO for trying to appeal to everyone.

Now when I say MS machine has more mass appeal you're calling me delusional. LOL
I guess you want your cake and MS's too.

 

[Z_Y]

I just checked on amazon how much all this stuff would cost If I was getting Xbone at launch.

Xbone : $499
Extra controller : $60
1 year Xbox Live : $60
2 games: $120
play and charge kit : $25
Tax 6%
Total: $809.84

I could build a medium spec PC which could run every game at 1080p and still have cash left over for that price.

Are newly released games, batteries and controllers free in PC land? Are unicorns pooping them out?

I'm not going to defend the price of Live or whatever Kinect adds to the MSRP. But don't just start adding things trying to inflate the cost to make a point.

At the end of the day...it's a $500 box that you can just plug into your TV and play some pretty cool games on medium-ish settings . Oh...and you can wave and yell at it to turn down the TV and change the channel. Eh. Some people might think that is cool enough to warrant a purchase.

 

[Micromegas]

They aren't going to drop Kinect. They will lower the price if they need to. But dropping the Kinect camera gains them almost nothing (BoM for a camera), while it loses them a ton (their differentiation from PS4, millions of lines of software written for it, etc.)

By the time they completely re-engineer the system to drop connect or finally reach consensus to drop the price it will be way too late. XB1 will already be Zuned.

 

[D Bo Chops]

Ugh, this thread is turning into a borderline fanboy flame war at this point. Everyone denies having an allegiance... but you can tell in their comments. Why do we argue on here? Is someones comment REALLY going to change your mind to get the other system instead? NO! Peoples minds are made up, both consoles will do just fine. And while everyone is still hating xbox1, It truly does seem to be the more innovative and interesting console at this point. $100 aint shit in the long run, stop kidding yourself. We will all end up spending THOUSANDS on games,accessories,online etc. over the lifetime of the consoles.

 

[terrisus]

Because Apples tablets are the ones to beat?

Not even close.
And especially a joke at the prices that they charge.

 

[Shadownet]

I would like to preface this by saying I have no particular allegiance to any company.

It irks me when people, especially Sony fanboys as of late, close their eyes to what's really going on around them. It's my duty to drop a duecer of knowledge-- a dose of reality, if you will--on you every once in a while. Or just Read the tea leaves, fellas.

The tiny minority picked the Wii, and you laughed. Another minority said the 360 might break 50 mil, and you ridiculed. Still yet, a whole lot of you argued that the psp/vita marked the doom of Nintendo and Sony would do raise the handheld market out of the ghetto. Sure. I believe you. Got any stock tips? And that's just a small taste.

Those who want to see the XB1 fail are like flies on the grill of Microsoft's fast-moving 'stang that's ever changing gears to get to where they want to go. All those moneyhats that you can't stand (DR3, Titanfall, COD DLC, etc.) is simply them doing whatever they need to do to position themselves as #1. All those 180's, all that pr head-spinning double-talk, all those pretty events and mountain dew promo's.... it all serves a purpose.

There will be no check too fat, no 180 too difficult that MS won't be willing to do to make sure XB1 is, at worst, relevant. Price-drops, 3-6 month exclusives, dlc exlcusives, bundles, kinect-less versions, payment plan versions... everything is on the table. "Do only as much as you must" is their motto. It's not what we want to hear, sure. We want a Titan-powered console on 30 watts for $199 with free online play. But we're only going to get what the market will bear. Blame the casuals. Blame Microsoft. Blame yourselves, even.

Just know, your voice does not matter in this "war". Sony, too, only does what it must. The inevitable is inevitable whether you're willing to accept it or not. Having a short-sighted view on things can only keep you happy for so long...

All you do is go to a different thread and moan about how Gaf is making fun of Microsoft.


"I have no allegiance with any company..." Ha.

 

[Chuck]

It's getting close to launch and as games are wrapping up its become clear that unless the pxone is hard to program for...

 

[Dai101]

Ugh, this thread is turning into a borderline fanboy flame war at this point..

At this point?

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Just know, your voice does not matter in this "war". Sony, too, only does what it must. The inevitable is inevitable whether you're willing to accept it or not. Having a short-sighted view on things can only keep you happy for so long...

You have a remarkable post history, for such a short one.

 

[Fantasmo]

Wait, what? PS2?!

And there's no 'maybe' when it comes to the SNES.

You misread me, I meant the weaker consoles usually win, EXCEPT in the case of SNES, which had a slower CPU, but everything else was better from a technical standpoint.

 

[BronsonLee]

tradeoff working real hard to gain the most entertaining poster crown

How can they justify it? Kinect, really. But who knows later on?

 

[SlipperySlope]

$499 is unfeasible in today's market. $599 almost destroyed the PS3. Microsoft needs to swallow their pride, drop Kinect, and price it at $400. They need to price match, otherwise they will fail.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

Figure all the angles have been covered here. Microsoft is justifying the price with Kinect and HDMI in to make the system work as a it of a digital hub for cable TV.

I think that will fall flat in the market and people won't pay the extra for that functionality - particularly at launch when it's the more dedicated gamers who will spend $400 and up on a new machine. But MS has been pretty clear about how they're positioning the Xbone. They think the price is justified by Kinect and the cable box tie-in feature.

The games performance is a secondary concern. It's powerful compared to the 360 but it's not powerful compared to what they could have made if they focused on making a games machine, as Sony did.

If only MS could have struck deals with some of the big cable companies and we could have replaced our stock dvrs with the Xbox. At $20 per month, i'm paying $240 a year for this stupid fios box. I could totally justify putting out $500 for the Xbox to get that function AND gaming.

 

[quickwhips]

Best post ever. I would read again. The consoles will speak for themselves when we get to play them. How can you judge by specs alone?

 

[OldAsUrSock]

Games are more important than resolution.

Games rely on resolution.

 

[Nafai1123]

You haven't seen all the tech demos? You expect someone to knock on your door or something?

Do people spend $100 more for tech demos? MS has yet to show actual games that take advantage of Kinect in a meaningful and cool way, and it's absolutely hurting them at launch.

 

[elty]

Just wondering: why was the 720p thread locked? Is it because nothing new is coming out?

 

[CadetMahoney]

MS needs to demonstrate voice macros for, at least, tedious menu navigation in all games. And custom ones too. So far they haven't even shown that.

 

[Pseudo judo]

Best post ever. I would read again. The consoles will speak for themselves when we get to play them. How can you judge by specs alone?

This is the way it'll be until launch when both sides are forced to talk about the games.

 

[twobear]

'Still' justify? I'm not aware they ever justified it in the first place.

 

[Drake Dagan]

They justify it based on Kinect. I could see this being a reasonable value proposition if it had some good software to demo the product at launch. This is not the case. There's no reason for Kinect to be packed-in if even Microsoft isn't supporting it from the get-go. I'm going to return or flip my XBO pre order because I can't justify $500 when all $500 doesn't prove useful at launch.

I'll wait for a price drop or for them to pull Kinect and drop price.

 

[Jack_AG]

I would like to preface this by saying I have no particular allegiance to any company.

It irks me when people, especially Sony fanboys as of late, close their eyes to what's really going on around them. It's my duty to drop a duecer of knowledge-- a dose of reality, if you will--on you every once in a while. Or just Read the tea leaves, fellas.

The tiny minority picked the Wii, and you laughed. Another minority said the 360 might break 50 mil, and you ridiculed. Still yet, a whole lot of you argued that the psp/vita marked the doom of Nintendo and Sony would do raise the handheld market out of the ghetto. Sure. I believe you. Got any stock tips? And that's just a small taste.

Those who want to see the XB1 fail are like flies on the grill of Microsoft's fast-moving 'stang that's ever changing gears to get to where they want to go. All those moneyhats that you can't stand (DR3, Titanfall, COD DLC, etc.) is simply them doing whatever they need to do to position themselves as #1. All those 180's, all that pr head-spinning double-talk, all those pretty events and mountain dew promo's.... it all serves a purpose.

There will be no check too fat, no 180 too difficult that MS won't be willing to do to make sure XB1 is, at worst, relevant. Price-drops, 3-6 month exclusives, dlc exlcusives, bundles, kinect-less versions, payment plan versions... everything is on the table. "Do only as much as you must" is their motto. It's not what we want to hear, sure. We want a Titan-powered console on 30 watts for $199 with free online play. But we're only going to get what the market will bear. Blame the casuals. Blame Microsoft. Blame yourselves, even.

Just know, your voice does not matter in this "war". Sony, too, only does what it must. The inevitable is inevitable whether you're willing to accept it or not. Having a short-sighted view on things can only keep you happy for so long...

Do not ever disgrace my beautiful Nadia in a thread again, sir. MS can't handle my Roush stage 2 w/T-56.

 

[Pseudo judo]

Just wondering: why was the 720p thread locked? Is it because nothing new is coming out?

That thread was a disaster if the goal was nonsensical discussion. OP even laid out discussion points in order to steer conversation into something productive but that was quickly ignored for drive by quips, gifs and general silliness.

 

[RetroStu]

Don't take this as me sticking up for Kinect because i hate Kinect with a passion and i'm pissed off that its being forced on us BUT i really wish some people on here would realise that bundling Kinect 2 in with the Xboix One is the reason why its $100 more. Kinect 2 would probably be a $150 item if it was sold seperate, its not like Microsoft are simply making us pay $100 more because they are twats or something (they still shouldn't force kinect on us though).

 

[kulapik]

With that fitness app that nobody will use.

 

[something fishy]

they can because they can point to their opponents offering and point out it's nearly the same price once it's inferior camera offering is included. Include the free game over here and it is.

immediately they can differentiate the price to the consumer.

will it swing some buyers? maybe, maybe not.

 

[Daingurse]

The answer is Kinect, yes I'm serious. Bwahahaha!