Adam Sessler's: On Xbox One and PS4's Resolutiongate, and Day One Patches

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TheExodu5 said:
How is it a copout statement? Listen, for multiplatforms, yes the PS4 will have the graphically superior version. That is a selling point in the PS4's favor and no one is disagreeing with that. But, in the end, the games are always what matters, and exclusives will be a major selling point. That has been proven time and time again, and I don't know why people are so adamant about turning a (trivial to many) performance advantage into such a major selling point that it should overrule any other aspect of the system.
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People know about exclusives though. There's nothing to discuss there. You simply buy a console for the games you want and that's that. There's also no reason for the media to downplaying OBVIOUS advantages in terms of performance. We have facts are what games will be running on so there doesn't need to be any extra comments from the media about what matters our not. Let the customer decide because depending on a persons situation, they may be a position to tell the difference in games and they will do want to choose a system that will give them the best visuals.

For me personally, I wasn't like this last gen. I bought systems for exclusives. Surprisingly to me I've seen people choose a system based on multiplats, so it CAN actually be a selling point for a lot of people believe it or not.

For the general gamer, many won't care, but they deserve to know the truth about what they're getting for $500 and be informed rather than spread false information led by Microsoft PR that doesn't properly communicate information about the native resolution their games play at.
 
boredandlazy said:
That's not my point. My point is that it's much easier for people such as Mr Sessler to dismiss the obvious differences in the various versions of the same game if he's not the one ponying up the cash to be able to play it.
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He's a critic. If you can't assume that he's intelligent enough to account for the inherent bias in not personally having money staked on the experience, there's no reason to listen to him at all.
 
RazielCuts said:
Oh COME ON, Adam! You were the one that poked the bear with your vague childish tweets, you. And instead of holding your hands up, having some humility and saying 'Hey, that was pretty silly of me, eh guys?' you're just going to dig deep and condescend ever more childlike as if we were the ones in the wrong?

Man, I actually used to respect you. What is going on, just take the fall and admit wrong doing. And more importantly, explain the situation. Look at that video Jim Sterling posted today, he's talking about you. Answer him, for all of us.
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Adam has done that his entire career. He is a nice guy but he often doesn't like the reaction he gets when he pokes at people. He could have went about things in a slightly different way but like most of the other media types as of late he is playing the "maturity" card to avoid people with differing opinions.
 
My only problem with peoples issue being that media is defending the "less powerful, more expensive console," is these aren't resolution consoles. If these products were televisions no one would say the 720p television is better than the 1080p television. These devices have multiple facets to them, and the Xbox one offers things that the PS4 doesn't and vice versa. One (or two) of the things the PS4 offers that the Xbox doesn't is more powerful hardware and a lower price point, if someone strictly wants a gaming device and the most powerful one the choice is easy: PS4. But there are casual consumers who do want the Kinect for example, who do want to be able to seamlessly multitask, and etc. There are pro and cons to both systems, and journalists aren't off point by saying it still comes down to the games, like Adam is saying. Because that's the reality of it. I am purchasing both consoles but for launch I am much more excited for the Xbox since it has the games I want at launch, and I don't mind paying more for it even though it's the weaker console because I'm not purchasing solely based on hardware. I just don't see why the price point is a point of emphasis in people attacking any site/journalist who defends the console. If you want to attack them for minimizing the difference, that's a different story, and opinions will always greatly vary on whether there is a difference between the 1080p and 720p game. I'm the first to admit that there is, and its clear multiplatform games are going to look better on the PS4, but I don't believe the price has anything to do with this resolutiongate unless a person strictly wants the most powerful console. Of course, this is merely my opinion

Edit: I'd like to added that instead of the price point being a point of defense, more should be praising Sony (especially the media) for pulling off what they did by using 8GB GDDT5 etc. We don't have a more powerful console only because of faults by MS, but because of the great work of Sony as well.
 
Metroid-Squadron said:
To a lot of people they don't. I know it's not what you guys want to hear but it's true.
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I can say with absolute sincerity, that the only way someone could have that opinion would be if they share Sessler's bias, to the degree that they don't mind his biased take on things.

Under any objective measure, he has gone out of his way over the past 7 months to downplay the issues the XB1 has had since it's unveiling in May.
 
"Gameplay over graphics" is basically the perfect example of a false choice. And to make it even more absurd, we're talking multiplatform games here!
 
Curufinwe said:
I don't think he's a shill, but he lost a lot of credibility with his E3 coverage that made phony price comparisons and warned us not to believe Sony about their DRM plans.
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I dunno, maybe I just think he is trying to be objective about both sides. Doing his job basically but I will admit he does seem to downplay a lot of the Xbox one follies as of late. But hopefully that is just more of him trying to keep an open mind about the console unlike people like myself who have basically written off the thing.
 
The Skater said:
Oh, the mental gymnastics.

"But it's all about the games!"

No shit. We're comparing the SAME game here. I'm no Sony apologist, but I recall the PS3 being heavily criticized for having inferior ports for a long time and Sony fanboys were laughed at when trying to downplay the differences, and rightly so. The cognitive dissonance is strong here.
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That's not the arguement. The point is that for the average consumer, the games are what make the purchase decision. In the grand scheme of things, resolution of launch games isn't a big enough issue to raise shit about. (Unless you're on an internet forum and want to be mad about something)
 
IHaveCandy said:
I think it's been pretty obvious that Sessler has been trying to keep things artificially 50/50. Kind of like when there is a Superbowl where one team is clearly better than the other. The media has an invested interest to try and make the game more evenly-matched than it really is.
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I think there is a certain amount of truth in that observation.
 
Egh. I've really had my fill of Sessler.

We really should stop giving this guy hits. He's inconsistent, shows an obvious bias, and doesn't know any more about video games than most of the people on this forum. It's so obvious that if the roles were reversed and the PS4 was the weaker system and $100 more than the XB1, you can be damn sure they'd be talking about these issues nonstop. Why, I have no fucking clue. But I do know I've had enough of these people. Please shut up.
 
So much hate and vitriol in this thread. It seems like some people will not be happy until everyone declares this gen belongs to Sony. I also love how PS4 =1080P and XBO =720P has been accepted as the standard all game will follow. I am thinking its going to end up going to be more like 1080p vs 900p. Those numbers fall more in line with the fact that the PS4 being 33% more powerul.

I also love people talking down to people for not seeing or caring about the difference. There is a reason HD TVs took a long time to reach market saturation. While there were threads discussing which Multiplats were better there wasn't anything close to the insulting attitude being displayed here. And the kicker about the whole thing is the majority of people here have not even seen the games running on an actual system.

The insulting nature of comments directed to the press and fans who prefer the xbox brand is pathetic. PS4 fans are getting the more powerful system they wanted, why so much anger?
 
This witch hunt is getting ridiculous. Its like if you're not relentless bashing M$ or trying to hold a diplomatic opinion, you're some fucking corporate shill.

Just because he doesn't care about this 720p shit does make him a bad person like a lot of you are implying. I can't wait for these consoles to come out so this fanboy bullshit dies down.
 
Valnen said:
He did exactly that though in a video.
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Is that in the newest 'Sessler Something'? I have yet to watch that yet, if that's the case then fair do's and I'll take back what I said but damn that tweet, we are your audience, do not shit on us. We want to work with you, not against you.
 
Zombie James said:
Talking down to your audience isn't going to help.

This is just another example of the gaming press being a total embarrassment to the industry. It should be the job of the press (any press) to get and report the facts. If something sounds off, like a $399 system significantly outperforming a $499 system, you investigate. Go talk to Infinity Ward and ask them why they couldn't do 1080p on the Xbone (Eurogamer sort of did this). Call up Microsoft and ask them how they got themselves into this position and how they plan to fix it. If they give you bullshit answers, you keep asking more difficult questions. What you don't do is pretend like these problems don't exist or don't matter while at the same time moving the goal-posts. This is almost approaching Fox News-levels of sticking your head in the sand.

Fuck.
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The answers to those questions have been out since E3:

1) Why is a $399 system outperforming a $499 system? Because of an architectural misstep on Microsoft's part and their inclusion of Kinect as a mandatory device.

2) Will it be fixed? No. It's simply to late in the game to do anything about it now.

People are out looking for blood. People want the gaming press to bash Microsoft for their mistakes. As soon as a gaming journalist doesn't jump on the issue or doesn't consider the issue to be as important as they do (and surprise, surprise, not everyone will care about the visual disparity to the extent that some of us do), they are labelled a corporate shill and dismissed entirely. I expect better from GAFers.
 
BruiserBear said:
I can say with absolute sincerity, that the only way someone could have that opinion would be if they share Sessler's bias, to the degree that they don't mind his biased take on things.
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So, what you're saying that only shills care more about exclusives than resolution? LOL

Also, I have to say I find hilarious that people get offended by Sessler telling them they're acting like a lynching mob when they clearly are. Get fucking real people.
 
IHaveCandy said:
I think it's been pretty obvious that Sessler has been trying to keep things artificially 50/50. Kind of like when there is a Superbowl where one team is clearly better than the other. The media has an invested interest to try and make the game more evenly-matched than it really is.
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This is actually likely. People who are hardcore fans of Microsoft's franchises, and have no reason to buy a PS4 make up a significant portion of Rev3's audience. There's no upside to making sweeping pro-XBox or pro-PS4 arguments, unless you're already focused on that specific audience. The differences will come up in the reviews, but for their own sake you'll never hear them make a definitive purchase recommendation.
 
Lots of people seem to suffer from a persecution complex and a lack of introspection. Much has been made recently of the gaming media and their failings to report issues a certain way. Much has been made of commenters on other sites and their seeming disdain for neogaf. Notwithstanding the only conclusion many seem to draw is that everyone else is wrong and only the people on neogaf see the 'truth'.

I've seen a repeated trend where people have accused the gaming media of a double standard - claiming they made a big deal of the differences between PS3 and 360 versions of games, and are now downplaying the differences between the Xbox One and PS4 versions of games. I think this exists more in their memory then in reality. The gaming media did not make a big deal of the the platform differences - people on internet forums did. Some games received slightly higher review scores - something we may well see in this generation.

The other issue I've referred to is the near universal rejection of any outside criticism of neogaf. Like any other site neogaf has it's strengths and weaknesses. However there's a glaring lack of introspection when outside criticisms and suggestions of bias are dismissed without any examination. Personally it's a bit disconcerting to see nearly every thread loaded with dismissive gifs and jabs at the coming consoles. There's also a disturbing trend of some people who barely seem to hide their hope that one console fail.

Having been around for the last several console launches this is little different then most - some actual differences and lots of buzz words. One of the biggest mistakes a person who participates in enthusiast forums can make is assuming that everyone is (or should be) the same issues they are. Some people dismissing the differences as unimportant obviously are doing so based on a personal bias - however this is clearly not true for everyone doing so.
 
kcp12304 said:
Just because he doesn't care about this 720p shit does make him a bad person like a lot of you are implying. I can't wait for these consoles to come out so this fanboy bullshit dies down.
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Hahahaha, it has literally only just begun. This your first console launch?
 
Kerned said:
Yeah, but now imagine that's part of your job, and the trip and console are paid for. Not really a fair analogy to compare it to someone being forced to fly 4 hours to pick up their pre-order. Jobs are a pain in the ass.
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Now that's a much more accurate comparison.
 
shinobi602 said:
Because they're direct competitors. Game media have a duty to inform consumers of every detail for each, including differences in the games.
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I guess my point is that it should be fine to enjoy what a product does. Is there really any benefit to try to convince someone that the extra resolution is so much better that they should alter their purchase, other than "helping" the company that you side with?

For example, you could live your whole life enjoying Super Mario Bros. without anyone ever pointing out that the bushes are just upside down clouds. Now maybe you have an artificial notion that the developers of your beloved game are lazier than you thought, tainting your enjoyment of it without good reason.

That's an exagerated example. Maybe I'm just too old for Console Warz.
 
kcp12304 said:
This witch hunt is getting ridiculous. Its like if you're not relentless bashing M$ or trying to hold a diplomatic opinion, you're some fucking corporate shill.

Just because he doesn't care about this 720p shit does make him a bad person like a lot of you are implying. I can't wait for these consoles to come out so this fanboy bullshit dies down.
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I'd just like a little consistency from these ass clowns. I really don't think that's too much to ask.
 
Ugh. I used to really like Adam but this shit is ridiculous.

How can you say that the game matters more when we're talking about the same game...except that one console performs significantly better?
 
The more statements apologist journos make on this whole resolutiongate scandal makes me question their state of mind.

Like just admit one console can output more resolution than the other, like how hard is that?

And his statement about games: like obviously at the end of the day it's about good games, but we should expect next gen looking games on next gen consoles or else why not just stay in the current gen forever if graphics don't matter.
 
jond76 said:
I guess my point is that it should be fine to enjoy what a product does. Is there really any benefit to try to convince someone that the extra resolution is so much better that they should alter their purchase, other than "helping" the company that you side with?

For example, you could live your whole life enjoying Super Mario Bros. without anyone ever pointing out that the bushes are just upside down clouds. Now maybe you have an artificial notion that the developers of your beloved game are lazier than you thought, tainting your enjoyment of it without good reason.

That's an exagerated example. Maybe I'm just too old for Console Warz.
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It has nothing to do with console wars dude, at least not for me. If I own both systems and I hear "both versions look excellent and completely on par with each other, barely any differences" and I get the XB1 version at 720p and find out the other's at a much better resolution, I'll be pissed. It's just informational, that's all. I'd personally like to know these things and not have them completely ignored. They're worth mentioning.
 
Quadraphonic said:
Except he LITERALLY did say that.

He literally said "They better be 60 frames per second at 1080p"
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Yeah, he was referencing people who were staring in disbelief at the graphics of next gen games. The point he was trying to make is that Ryse better leagues ahead of anything the 360 can put out. And Shadowfall better look leagues better than anything the ps3 can put out. Thats not something to go "wow" about. The thing that people should be drooling over is the new experiences that are coming in the next 5-7 years. Playing battlefield 4 on a huge map with 64 players is amazing and it's something that many people have never experienced. The Last of Us would not have been possible on the ps2. And that isn't just because of the graphics or resolution. When I first popped in God of War 3, the thing that impressed me the most was the sheer scale of the Poseidon battle. And in halo 3, the scarabs having their own ai was a huge deal.

Did the graphics in those games also impress me? Sure. But it surprises me a bit when I see gamers go on and on about graphical differences between systems and generations but don't want to accept that it's still the same game with the same experiences.
 
kcp12304 said:
This witch hunt is getting ridiculous. Its like if you're not relentless bashing M$ or trying to hold a diplomatic opinion, you're some fucking corporate shill.

Just because he doesn't care about this 720p shit does make him a bad person like a lot of you are implying. I can't wait for these consoles to come out so this fanboy bullshit dies down.
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It's not a journalist's job to be diplomatic. That notion is ridiculous and I can't believe you wrote that. A journalist's job is to report the facts.
 
TheExodu5 said:
The answers to those questions have been out since E3:

1) Why is a $399 system outperforming a $499 system? Because of an architectural misstep on Microsoft's part and their inclusion of Kinect as a mandatory device.

2) Will it be fixed? No. It's simply to late in the game to do anything about it now.

People are out looking for blood. People want the gaming press to bash Microsoft for their mistakes. As soon as a gaming journalist doesn't jump on the issue or doesn't consider the issue to be as important as they do (and surprise, surprise, not everyone will care about the visual disparity to the extent that some of us do), they are labelled a corporate shill and dismissed entirely. I expect better from GAFers.
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People want the media to report the truth.

Right now they're like a child that scribbled all over the wall and is being forced to say "I'm sorry" even though he's not. They're very begrudgingly acknowledging the huge gap in performance, but immediately downplaying it.

This doesn't happen in any other field. Could you imagine a benchmarking site for graphics card saying "This card is 50% faster, but I can't tell. It's all about the games..."
 
moriquendi said:
Lots of people seem to suffer from a persecution complex and a lack of introspection. Much has been made recently of the gaming media and their failings to report issues a certain way. Much has been made of commenters on other sites and their seeming disdain for neogaf. Notwithstanding the only conclusion many seem to draw is that everyone else is wrong and only the people on neogaf see the 'truth'.

I've seen a repeated trend where people have accused the gaming media of a double standard - claiming they made a big deal of the differences between PS3 and 360 versions of games, and are now downplaying the differences between the Xbox One and PS4 versions of games. I think this exists more in their memory then in reality. The gaming media did not make a big deal of the the platform differences - people on internet forums did. Some games received slightly higher review scores - something we may well see in this generation.

The other issue I've referred to is the near universal rejection of any outside criticism of neogaf. Like any other site neogaf has it's strengths and weaknesses. However there's a glaring lack of introspection when outside criticisms and suggestions of bias are dismissed without any examination. Personally it's a bit disconcerting to see nearly every thread loaded with dismissive gifs and jabs at the coming consoles. There's also a disturbing trend of some people who barely seem to hide their hope that one console fail.

Having been around for the last several console launches this is little different then most - some actual differences and lots of buzz words. One of the biggest mistakes a person who participates in enthusiast forums can make is assuming that everyone is (or should be) the same issues they are. Some people dismissing the differences as unimportant obviously are doing so based on a personal bias - however this is clearly not true for everyone doing so.
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Agree 100%
 
I find the whole gameplay over gfx argument to be rather annoying. I like them both..It's one of those odd comments/stances that get repeated, when no one said so. Another similar one is the 'insert console name here' dooomzed posts and comments. No one actually said it but yet it comes up over and over again


Sessler has been messing up. I don't agree with personal insults against him....nor do I agree with his immature handling of the critic he is receiving. People tend to like him as a person so this is not a malicious take on his opinions...fans just want some consistency. If his mind has changed about a stance he took a while ago...man up and admit it. Fans will respect him more for it.

Recently in some exchange his response to a fan who was calling out Kevin Dent (I think it was him) about some xbone comment made him come off as an extremely defensive person when it comes to that system. It's odd and so obvious too.

ps" btw I have been impressed by how both Geoff at GT and Kotaku has handled these two consoles since the unveiling. Props where props due
 
HovaHovito said:
PS4 is about 440 with tax tbh
Same way xbone is 550 with tax and wii u is 330
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And tax doesn't apply to Xbox One? Come on.

BTW, he was referring to when Sessler did PS4 + PSPlus vs. Xbox One comparison, and ignored the price of Gold which is more expensive than PS+.
 
He managed to say a lot in that video without saying anything of substance at all. Hey guys, we get that it's "all about the games." Please stop thinking you need to remind us in every video/article, and please stop acting like technical things like resolution are suddenly for the first time in video game history not worth discussing because it all pretty much looks the same.

I think he's a good dude who's just way too obsessed with making it seem like a close race, but it's getting really hard defending a lot of what he says.
 
ArkkAngel007 said:
Everyone looks bad here.
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I find the whole thing amusing and since it is some of this discourse has a purpose, so not a waste of time for me. But I do think some on gaf expect way too much from the press when there is no structure there to ensure they act how people want.

Getting outraged and doing nothing is silly as well. (Be it the Arab Spring or Occupy Wallstreet) This all being mad and lambasting things on the internet is all fine and dandy. But you have to act too.
If enough games don't sell for being 1080p and 60 fps guess what these guys will change their tune. Too much of the samey shit being made? Stop buying the samey looking shit then.
 
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