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Formosa said:
I mean the jokes in this show is so corny, really bad acting. I also hated when they bring up other Marvel's movie characters in this show... It's just lame and not out of place.

I really think this show is for kids under 10 years old.
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I...I....I agree?
 
Funky Papa said:
So that was the first actually great episode, not just a watchable one. Chemistry was great, none of the characters felt too forced or stupid and there was also actual development, specially between Fitz-Simmon. Sure, there was a lot of cheese mixed with that corn, but we are talking about a Marvel show made for TV instead of the typical big budget film, so this comes with the territory and everything was handled in perfect Whedony fashion.

As far as I'm concerned, this is the episode that finally grabbed me.



I was going to say that Skye should watch out, because Simmons was also looking disgustingly pretty. Like, straight up 10. Did they grow those two in a secret superhot chick-vat or something?
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Best episode so far. Still not particularly liking hacker girl and Agent agent yet. Which sucks as they get the most screentime.
 
People complaining about a comic show being corny?

Wut?

Oh Simmons, you were so wonderful this episode. Also May knows what is up with Coulson.

Boo. Tell the man.
 
My recap is up.

I really do hope they stick with this team dynamic, because the show does feel like each episode has been the writers room just sorta guessing at what it should be each episode. It felt REALLY solid this time out (even moreso than the eyeball episode, which was the show's best) and I hope they stick to it.
 
I really liked the episode. Yes, it's corny - but within the boundaries of the show (so far), it worked. Nice moments from Fitz-Simmons (who had been relegated to pseudo-comic-technobabble-fodder in the previous episodes) and less of an emphasis on Skye and Ward, which is a good thing.

I think the show it's finding its stride at last. Hopefully things only get better from now on.
 
After sticking with the show so far, it seems like it is trying to survive solely on name dropping more famous Marvel characters. That won't get them very far.
 
Red Arremer said:
Oh also, I don't get why people are criticizing a show based on super hero comic books about being corny. Have you ever picked up a comic book? Shit's corny all the fucking time.
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Just because it's a superhero show doesn't mean it has to be poorly written.

Doesn't need to be ultra-serious, either, but "it's a comic and comics are bad" isn't exactly an excuse.
 
HP_Wuvcraft said:
Just because it's a superhero show doesn't mean it has to be poorly written.

Doesn't need to be ultra-serious, either, but "it's a comic and comics are bad" isn't exactly an excuse.
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Not to mention small-minded, since many comics are well written. Better written than this show to be sure.
 
Altazor said:
I really liked the episode. Yes, it's corny - but within the boundaries of the show (so far), it worked. Nice moments from Fitz-Simmons (who had been relegated to pseudo-comic-technobabble-fodder in the previous episodes) and less of an emphasis on Skye and Ward, which is a good thing.

I think the show it's finding its stride at last. Hopefully things only get better from now on.
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Yeah, it really does seem to be gelling together quite nicely now. I didn't mind Ward or Skye too much this episode, but the emphases on Simmons (I LOVE YOU) and Fitz was much appreciated. They're pretty charming. The stuff with Phil and May was great too.

The episode struck a nice balance between the sentimental, the weird, the action, the comedy, and the bittersweet.
 
Cornballer said:
- Alyssa Rosenberg on last night's episode and this season so far
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Not by Rosenberg, but that's a pretty good point.

I wouldn't be surprised if Double Agent Skye was originally planned as a longer-running subplot, and they just decided it didn't work after the first few episodes were in the can. But if that's the case and there aren't going to be any lasting consequences to her relationships with the rest of the team, the writers should probably just stop bringing it up.
 
richiek said:
First look at Saffron Burrows as Victoria Hand:
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Looks very great, close to her comic version.

HP_Wuvcraft said:
Just because it's a superhero show doesn't mean it has to be poorly written.

Doesn't need to be ultra-serious, either, but "it's a comic and comics are bad" isn't exactly an excuse.
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Makonero said:
Not to mention small-minded, since many comics are well written. Better written than this show to be sure.
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Well first off, corny doesn't equal bad. Corny has a different meaning than "bad", you know. If you wanted to say it's badly written, then why use a term that means something different, instead of, well "bad"?

Also, I don't think the show is that poorly written. Could it be better? Yes, of course. But from what I can tell, it's supposed to be a silly action/investigation show with roots in a pretty silly universe to begin with. So far it's doing alright. They're still trying to find what to do with the characters, and settle themselves into that horse. So far, they're making good progress.

And finally, we're still in the first season. 6 episodes.
Come on, guys, there's been shows that started off rough before and became better, some even amazing. I've brought it up before, and I'll bring it up again:
Star Trek: The Next Generation is definitely not a bad show (except maybe to people who hate Scifi), but the first season, without a doubt, is utter shit. The first 6 episodes of TNG are shit. Ridiculously corny too, since that word is thrown around so much.

Never would discard a show based on its first few eps, or even its first season. Getting a grip with the show always takes a while.
Do I expect SHIELD to become a super-high quality show like TNG? No. But so far it's having much better progress and increasing quality than Star Trek did, by long shot. I'm sure it's going to bloom up eventually.

Maybe I want to give it more of a chance because I like Gregg and Marvel a lot, but even looking beyond my opinion, I still find it to be unfair to already discard the show after only 6 episodes.
 
Red Arremer said:
Well first off, corny doesn't equal bad. Corny has a different meaning than "bad", you know. If you wanted to say it's badly written, then why use a term that means something different, instead of, well "bad"?
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Corny is defined as "mawkishly old-fashioned : tiresomely simple and sentimental" or "Trite, dated, melodramatic, or mawkishly sentimental." I would define corny writing as bad writing, and I would say that S.H.I.E.L.D. is badly written. You can enjoy corniness, but that doesn't make it good.
 
Makonero said:
Corny is defined as "mawkishly old-fashioned : tiresomely simple and sentimental" or "Trite, dated, melodramatic, or mawkishly sentimental." I would define corny writing as bad writing, and I would say that S.H.I.E.L.D. is badly written. You can enjoy corniness, but that doesn't make it good.
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Corny doesn't mean bad either. Especially when it's intentionally written as such. J. August Richards line in the first episode about "it's an origin story" was intentionally corny. Why? Because the show is for the whole family and often times content aimed at younger audiences comes across as corny to older audiences.

This is a Marvel show on a Disney network in the earliest primetime slot. It's not supposed to be sophisticated. It's not supposed to be gritty and dark. If it's not your thing, that's fine. But context would be nice when judging the show. There are plenty of aspects of the first 6 episodes that can be criticized within context. Writing isn't one of them.
 
Best episode so far. FitzSimmons is good. I agree that time off of Ward helped the show, but the little bit he was in this latest episode was actually pretty good. Also enjoying that they're going in the direction of SHIELD proper having issues with Coulson's team and autonomy. If next episode is all about that, I'll enjoy it.

I kind of feel like I want a new person on the team. I guess I just find a lot of the current team boring, so a new person to mix it up might be nice. FitzSimmons and Coulson are great, Skye is meh, May is okay, but I think she'll get better in time once they focus on her as a character and not "ass kicking robot." Ward still has a lot of room for improvement, but the last two episode have been heading in the right direction.

I thought I read something about an upcoming episode taking place after the events of Thor 2. So basically you have to watch the movies to keep up with the show. Which I'm fine with. Does anyone know when that happens? Like, should I catch Thor 2 this weekend or is it not until the episode after next?
 
Jest Chillin said:
This is a Marvel show on a Disney network in the earliest primetime slot. It's not supposed to be sophisticated. It's not supposed to be gritty and dark. If it's not your thing, that's fine. But context would be nice when judging the show. There are plenty of aspects of the first 6 episodes that can be criticized within context. Writing isn't one of them.
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Goddamn some of the spinning people are doing for this show is pathetic. The terrible writing this show is shitting out every week is above criticism now?

I'm really tired of people acting like every person who thinks this show sucks has outlandish or misguided expectations. We don't. I enjoy plenty of "unsophisticated" shows that are neither "gritty" nor "dark". I knew going in that this show was going to be a family friendly procedural. The problem with SHIELD isn't the type of show it is, it's that it is an awful example of that type of show, or any type of show for that matter. Pretty much nothing about it works.
 
Mariolee said:
There doesn't seem to be anything too eye catching or interesting from her wiki page, should we be excited?
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Not really, outside of "Yay, they're including someone in the comics." The most interesting thing about her was she was #2 for HAMMER, which was Norman Osborn's version of SHIELD. With no Osborn and no HAMMER, she's just a SHIELD person. Writers pretty much have carte blanche of what then want to do with her.
 
dead souls said:
Goddamn some of the spinning people are doing for this show is pathetic. The terrible writing this show is shitting out every week is above criticism now?

I'm really tired of people acting like every person who thinks this show sucks has outlandish or misguided expectations. We don't. I enjoy plenty of "unsophisticated" shows that are neither "gritty" nor "dark". I knew going in that this show was going to be a family friendly procedural. The problem with SHIELD isn't the type of show it is, it's that it is an awful example of that type of show, or any type of show for that matter. Pretty much nothing about it works.
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I'm not spinning a thing. When people are critiquing all the writing as bad because it's corny when all of the writing is neither bad nor is all of it corny, yeah I'm going to point that out. I didn't say it's above criticism, I said use context. Everyone on the staff of SHIELD that has had interviews has been fully open about aiming to be a family friendly show. That means there's going to be some campy material because that material is child friendly.

Some episodes have been worse than others but there hasn't been a single episode that I would say was completely bad. There's room to critique character archetypes and actor portrayals. But this writing isn't bad.

I'm not even sure why I'm even bothering to reply though. It's not as if you're known for giving shows a chance.
 
I just don't think theres anything that stands out about the show yet. In comparison Buffy and Firefly both had me gripped within 3 episodes. There's been no clever moments in any episode yet as well, akin to the opening scenes from the Buffy pilot(the two students inside the school). Scenes like that really get me hooked on shows like this and so far there hasn't been any.
 
Best case scenario is that the show pulls it together in the back 10, is renewed, and fulfills its potential in season 2.

Basically, to use a Whedon comparison - if it's Buffy season 1, you can tell people "Just skip season 1, you don't need it"
 
I agree with the general consensus that this is the best episode yet, although I wasn't sure I would feel that way until the last 20 minutes or so when things really started getting dramatic.

It was good to see an episode with a focus on strong character drama instead of action or humor. I personally have no problem with the lighter tone of this show so far (or the 'cheese' or 'corn' or whatever term you want to use) but it was definitely time to raise the stakes a little bit, just to make things feel more real and cement the team together.

There was some great character work in this episode, especially for the science team. And actually, I thought they did a lot of good work with Coulson's character here, which was needed IMO. Skye and Ward were kind of secondary, which was fine since both have had tons of screen time already.

Sucks to hear that the ratings dropped again. Hopefully the hiatus had something to do with it. Apparently 2.5 is still fairly high (at least according to some people. I don't follow this stuff very closely, so I'm not sure) I think just about anybody who made it to the end of this episode will be eager to see next week's.

Jest Chillin said:
I'm not spinning a thing. When people are critiquing all the writing as bad because it's corny when all of the writing is neither bad nor is all of it corny, yeah I'm going to point that out. I didn't say it's above criticism, I said use context. Everyone on the staff of SHIELD that has had interviews has been fully open about aiming to be a family friendly show. That means there's going to be some campy material because that material is child friendly.
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Not to mention that all the Whedon/Mutant Enemy shows are full of self referential and cheesy humor. Even the most serious episodes of shows like Angel, Buffy, and Firefly have the tongue firmly pressed into the cheek during certain scenes. Almost every cheesy moment on this show has been obviously intentional. Sometimes the scenes fall flat, and there's no excuse for that of course, but I hope nobody thinks the "bad" writing or "cheesy" jokes are accidental.

The characters are not supposed to sound like real people. The dialogue is meant to be full of snarky quips and sometimes it is meant to call attention to itself.

Basically, It's a style thing. Some may hate the style, but that doesn't (necessarily) make it bad.
 
It'll be funny when they get a marvel a-lister to guest and promote the ever loving shit out of it. ABC is probably dying to promote it now with the ratings falling.
 
WarMacheen said:
After sticking with the show so far, it seems like it is trying to survive solely on name dropping more famous Marvel characters. That won't get them very far.
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It's like you picked up on Skye saying "Captain America" at the start and ignored the other 50 minutes of the show
 
Is Coulson a robot? "I'm rusty." and the abundance of iron was of addressing suspicions but still hiding the fact in plain sight. Maybe he has an iron man heart or other robotic organs/alien dna which replaced the ones that got skewered.
 
Formosa said:
I mean the jokes in this show is so corny, really bad acting. I also hated when they bring up other Marvel's movie characters in this show... It's just lame and out of place.

I really think this show is for kids under 10 years old.
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Well like ive said, you gotta watch it like its an action adventure show from the 90's! Just entertainment without serious substance.

And it made purely for Marvel cinematic universe fans, gotta have that fanservice!
 
So...how long till FitzSimmons start a relationship?

I know a lot of you may object, but it's clear they're going down that road, so long as it's not overbearing and corny, I'm not going to care.
 
Jest Chillin said:
I'm not spinning a thing. When people are critiquing all the writing as bad because it's corny when all of the writing is neither bad nor is all of it corny, yeah I'm going to point that out. I didn't say it's above criticism, I said use context. Everyone on the staff of SHIELD that has had interviews has been fully open about aiming to be a family friendly show. That means there's going to be some campy material because that material is child friendly.

Some episodes have been worse than others but there hasn't been a single episode that I would say was completely bad. There's room to critique character archetypes and actor portrayals. But this writing isn't bad.

I'm not even sure why I'm even bothering to reply though. It's not as if you're known for giving shows a chance.
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You can be family friendly and operate a decent level of drama as well. I honestly think part of the problem is actually the rather bland presentation, if it looked a bit more well serious it would help. It's an awfully pastel brightly lit show.
 
Krowley said:
Not to mention that all the Whedon/Mutant Enemy shows are full of self referential and cheesy humor. Even the most serious episodes of shows like Angel, Buffy, and Firefly have the tongue firmly pressed into the cheek during certain scenes. Almost every cheesy moment on this show has been obviously intentional. Sometimes the scenes fall flat, and there's no excuse for that of course, but I hope nobody thinks the "bad" writing or "cheesy" jokes are accidental.

The characters are not supposed to sound like real people. The dialogue is meant to be full of snarky quips and sometimes it is meant to call attention to itself.

Basically, It's a style thing. Some may hate the style, but that doesn't (necessarily) make it bad.
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Yeah, I'd like to think that people do understand that it's an intentional style but maybe some that aren't familiar with Whedon shows don't see that? I can understand that to an extent but every person who is familiar with the Whedon style at one point, wasn't. So at 6 episodes in, I'd think that anyone who didn't realize it before, realizes it now and just doesn't like it. Which is fine. I just feel like people need to recognize that just because they don't like it, doesn't make it bad.


kmag said:
You can be family friendly and operate a decent level of drama as well. I honestly think part of the problem is actually the rather bland presentation, if it looked a bit more well serious it would help. It's an awfully pastel brightly lit show.
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I agree that thus far the drama has been lacking in the majority of the episodes. I think that's a bit of a staple of Whedon and part of the reason why he's had rough luck with a lot of shows in the past. Typically a Whedon show tends to have a very slow build into the drama but once it gets going it really starts to hit. Other shows he's done have had more charismatic actors than SHIELD does, so even with drama-lite episodes the viewer gets drawn in to the characters. Hopefully though as we approach mid-season we'll start to see that pace pick up and we'll start to see some of the threads that have been laid out thus far start connecting and become more of a driving element.

I do wonder about the brightness and color. Seems a staple of a lot of ABC shows, though that could just be coincidence. The MCU does seem very colorful itself so it could be just a continuation of theme.
 
Easily the best episode yet. It was so much more comfortable and collected with a slight maturity sprinkled in throughout that was lacking before it. The characters are interacting in meaningful ways and actually endearing themselves! Lol

I was definitely emotionally invested in what was happening and not bored so, yeah, BIG improvement.

Dead@ Agent Blake touching Lola as he walked off the plane. Such a little shit.


Poor little mice
 
Really liked the episode until the sky diving, which was too unbelievable for me. Captain America can do that. Ward is just a dude who had no problem seeing with no eye protection and while he is a SHIELD agent, he isn't James Bond. The rest of it was really good, though.
 
Making a show or a book intentionally corny is bad writign?

Wha?

The show is INTENTIONALLY corny.

SO why does that make it bad?

If we view it as corny wouldn't that be considered good writing? Since that was there intention?
 
That's not their intention.

There's a difference between being tongue-in-cheek from time to time and being corny. Sometimes the two overlap. But it's fairly obvious over the course of the 6 episodes that the show is not meant to be corny or campy on the whole.
 
Jest Chillin said:
Yeah, I'd like to think that people do understand that it's an intentional style but maybe some that aren't familiar with Whedon shows don't see that? I can understand that to an extent but every person who is familiar with the Whedon style at one point, wasn't. So at 6 episodes in, I'd think that anyone who didn't realize it before, realizes it now and just doesn't like it. Which is fine. I just feel like people need to recognize that just because they don't like it, doesn't make it bad.




I agree that thus far the drama has been lacking in the majority of the episodes. I think that's a bit of a staple of Whedon and part of the reason why he's had rough luck with a lot of shows in the past. Typically a Whedon show tends to have a very slow build into the drama but once it gets going it really starts to hit. Other shows he's done have had more charismatic actors than SHIELD does, so even with drama-lite episodes the viewer gets drawn in to the characters. Hopefully though as we approach mid-season we'll start to see that pace pick up and we'll start to see some of the threads that have been laid out thus far start connecting and become more of a driving element.

I do wonder about the brightness and color. Seems a staple of a lot of ABC shows, though that could just be coincidence. The MCU does seem very colorful itself so it could be just a continuation of theme.
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SHIELD isn't a Joss Whedon show. His brother, Jed, and Jed's wife, Mo, are the showrunners and lead writers. Joss is executive producing and, given the current output, his input seems to be minimal.

Remember, Joss trained an entire team of writers during Buffy and they went on to run Angel, Firefly, Spartacus, Battlestar, etc. None of whom are with us for SHIELD. Most people do not realize the extent of Joss' influence in his shows -- he does rewrites on practically every scene and contributes original scenes to many episodes, which he isn't credited for. David Fury and Marty Noxon discuss this at length (can't remember where, it was a DVD commentary).

Joss began as a script doctor and that training enabled him to hire staff, train them, "doctor" their work, and allow them to learn through emulation, mimicry, and collaboration. This time, Joss isn't in the writers room to train the new recruits.

This isn't a Joss Whedon show in the same way that Buffy, Angel, Firefly, and Dollhouse were Joss Whedon shows. It just isn't.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
So...how long till FitzSimmons start a relationship?

I know a lot of you may object, but it's clear they're going down that road, so long as it's not overbearing and corny, I'm not going to care.
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To me it seemed like everyone was kinda paired up already, and I really hope it doesn't play out that way but:

Coulson & May
Fitz & Simmons
Ward & Skye

They need a "third wheel" so to speak, to come break up these pairs.
 
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