cobragt4001
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Well it's true, because you can't see it don't get offended by my opinion. I'm 27, so I grew up with No Limit and Hot Boyz, that was the progression to shitty rap.
This is way intelligence in hiphop needs to return
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Well it's true, because you can't see it don't get offended by my opinion. I'm 27, so I grew up with No Limit and Hot Boyz, that was the progression to shitty rap.
When was Canibus ever mainstream? Kendrick went platinum with an album far superior to anything Canibus ever did, and somehow "creativity is gone in mainstream hiphop"?
Nostalgia is a bitch...
cobragt4001
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Oh I know, I only listen to underground or independent artist. The big picture to me isn't my personal likes, but the fact that this garbage ass music called rap is something that's pretty much keeping the listeners stupid and with a certain mind set. I think too many people are downplaying the implications this so called art is having on the youth, especially black youth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nV0SUJr5Es
^That is what this bullshit ass music is teaching young men.
cobragt4001
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The problem with all the 'intellectual'/message rappers is that it's always so damn hamfisted, Lupe, technique, macklemore have shit to say but don't know how to say it in less than a thousand words.
And are about half as smart as they think they are, any positive message gets ruined.
And are about half as smart as they think they are, any positive message gets ruined.
Yeah, plus if you are looking for a white guy in hip hop who is intellectual, both Slug and Astronautalis are better options than Macklemore.
Seems like to make the mainstream in hip hop these days you have to be shallow and safe or some caricature of a hard gangsta. Real shit doesn't sell these days.
People who make complaints about current hip hop like this, know FUCK ALL about hip hop and generalises it to the shitty chart topping hip hop artists, get outta here you don't listen to any substantial amount of the genre. Yeah of course immortal technique is the only real dude in the industry with something to say *sigh*. I hate this opinion so much, it's just like all those nutters saying loopy fiasco is the only real hip hop artist. None of these people seriously listen to hip hop, the sound of the genre is so diverse and there is no way anyone can complain about lack of subject matter, there is a huge amount of good artists out there covering every sound and subject matter you could possibly want. Oh but of course they don't count because they're not in the charts so they don't exist. Immortal technique is good, but it's such a cliche at this point for people to point to him as the lone beacon of light in hip hop, either that or lupe fiasco.
Messofanego
Banned
Mm Food is bloody hilarious now that I'm reading the lyrics thanks to Rap Genius.
Potholderz
These old things
About to throw them away
With the gold rings that make em don't fit like OJ
Usually I take them off with Oil of Olay
Beef Rapp:
Light the doobie 'till it glow like a ruby
After which they couldn't find the Villain like Scooby
Could it be considered a concept album since he's linking most of the topics to food?
Most conscious rappers nowadays are too focused on their subject matter and they give you their message in a very corny and pretentious way.
Conscious rappers' output often suffers from being thematically repetitive, inaccasible and sonically unappealing.
These rappers should study why records like Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On?" or John Lennon's song "Imagine" became so popular and had such an impact.
Conscious rappers' output often suffers from being thematically repetitive, inaccasible and sonically unappealing.
These rappers should study why records like Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On?" or John Lennon's song "Imagine" became so popular and had such an impact.
Messofanego
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What about Aesop Rock and El P? I really liked Skelethon and Cancer For Cure last year, respectively.
Well I like Aesop Rock, but I kinda put him in a different category, more abstract and avant garde. El P I haven't been able to get into yet, just stylistically speaking, so I dunno there.
Johnlenham
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Well you are spoling it for yourself really as the delivery is what makes it but yeah its all based around food.
Dangerdoom is all based around that american cartoon channel which name escapes me.. with samples and voices from Space ghost and Aqua team hunger force among others.
King Gedhorah is written from the perspective of, well King Gedhorah the three headed golden dragon from Godzilla coming to earth.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
All jokes aside, Macklemore really isn't as bad as people make him out to be. He's a B- storyteller with a decent sense of humor and isn't super cereal about his handful of political songs. His album was pretty damn good. I'd say he was being as real as possible on the record.
IrishNinja
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shit is bugged out man, what the fuck man
tellin anythin...anythin!
GAF snitches
tellin all they bidness
sit in the court they be they own star witness
do you see the perpetrator? yeah im right here, get they whole name permabanned for years, uh
tellin anythin...anythin!
GAF snitches
tellin all they bidness
sit in the court they be they own star witness
do you see the perpetrator? yeah im right here, get they whole name permabanned for years, uh
DonasaurusRex
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oh i agree Yeezus was some trash he turned that shit in and was like...fuck it
cobragt4001
Banned
What is the message in today's hip-hop? From what I can gather, hoes, women, bitches, whores, money, money's, cash, stacks, how much better I am than you, I can get your girl, haters, rims, 27" rims, more hoes, I can live better than you, I make more money than what you can in your entire life, cars and more money. So yea, we need creativity and intelligence in hip-hop and if you can manage to argue my point and not see how I'm right you're an idiot that can't see past your fucking patio.
Johnlenham
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Yeah with your rambling nonsense backed up with that final bit, I can clearly see you are man who knows what hes talking about.
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
Well thats just whats getting pushed and is being presented as hip hop. The variety is still there its just underground or on a mix tape. Some of the older fans on here me included just remember a time when ALL forms of hip hop could get out there, one because it was all fresh and new and partly because trash was QUICKLY weeded out. There were plenty of party and bullshit tracks, every summer had one or two, no different than any other era, Come on ride the train, whoop there it is , so on and so forth. But the game belonged to dudes like Pac, Biggie, Rahkim, Ice Cube, Snoop, Nas, Wu Tang, DMX, Jay Z *first 4 albums*, OutKast,Beanie Siegel, Tha Lox, Busta Rhymes etc. Now mind you they all didnt go quintillion platinum. Because competition dictated that only few were on top , they held attention with lyrical skill and hand mindshare currency, I dont even know the avg lifespan of an MC now though. The tracks arent much, no matter how catchy , we know the score its a beat, repetitive , the words breathed life into a track, thats why even though Pac didnt always have the best beats he could still convey the song thru his lyrics. Now a days dudes are literally out of tune back up singers repetitively saying dumb shit...and its not the hook its the song...so yeah theres some CONTENT missing in a lot of mainstream. But hey man theres some dumbshit like that from the 90's /early 00's they just got blown out the frame by somebody that took it seriously. Even dudes with hot shit got ate up in that environment, Pac and Biggie held J Hova down for 2 albums and had they lived possibly 3.
This isnt the first time hip hop has been shaped by people. It makes money presenting them as they are, just like before the 90's era took off and right after the OG's built up the genre, everybody was trying to be suit and tie rap, just like GZA said , rappers were presented as squeeky clean funny witty black guys who would make you smile with their witty stories. Go look up Pac dancin around , RZA "prince hakeem", GZA"genius" , JayZ fuckin wit Jaz-O. Everyone was some kind of derivation of that Will Smith, MC Hammer surreal presentation of life. Yes all those dudes, some of the hardest dudes in the game were making "cant touch this " and " parents just dont understand" knock offs to try and get paid.
Two things can be concluded, hip hop does suck when only one mold is being pushed instead of people choosing what they like among the styles, because lyrical styles/content is hip hop, everything associated with hip hop, beats, breakin, taggin, etc is all about styles so therefore pushing just one as hip hop ruins it for everyone.
First point taken into account, hip hop today is trash , sorry.
cobragt4001
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Lmao but I do like riff
hahahaha yes hip hop is all about 27" rims these days
oh man, this thread is gold
i bet we got a lot "republicans" in here amirite
IrishNinja
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i don't listen to hip-hop or "rap" but i'm pretty sure it's all about posses on broadway and/or skytel pagers
pretty terrible IMO
ohh is that what Jersey Boys is about?
btw you don't need to open with 'i don't listen to "rap"' believe you me we can tell haha.
srsly though not everyone is a music lover, to each their own
wat
So you cry and complain about how hip hop is all about bitches and hoes and money then clam you enjoy listening to RiFF?
wat
I thought revolutionary one and two were great albums for their time, but with getting into the conspiracy theory bullshit Immortal Technique has lost me overall, sure I will listen to his albums but they don't do much for me if they are accsicated with crazy. Plus when I first say him he was a great live act but he felll off and just goes through the motions.
Dead Prez on the otherhad are one of my favoirte Hiphop groups.
Dead Prez on the otherhad are one of my favoirte Hiphop groups.
boatjacker
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Macklemore's the worst example of mainstream. There's a lot more rappers who have something to say, other than Tech. Not that I hate him, I personally like him.
Horseticuffs
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Having a blast today with Lupe and The Roots. Thanks, all.
Hey, I recall Black Thought doing a badass freestyle over the super Mario theme song a few months back. Any really good songs about video games?
Hey, I recall Black Thought doing a badass freestyle over the super Mario theme song a few months back. Any really good songs about video games?
Johnlenham
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If you cant enjoy the subtle yet poignant lyricism that Riff raff brings to the table, I can only feel bad for you.
I'm not saying that Riff isn't one of the greatest lyricists of his time, but that OP is a tad hypocritical.
dat RiFF doe
seeing him live next month
CountBlack
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Ass backwards
My friend said saw riff raff live. She said he sounded terrible and looked like he smelled.
That's probably apt.
Riff Raff seems completely self aware of what he's doing though.
cobragt4001
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Never said I listen to him. But after that Sway morning show freestyle he did, how could you not like him lol
cobragt4001
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Nice post.
Macmanus
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We the American working population
Hate the nine-to-five day-in day-out
When we'd rather be supporting ourselves
By being paid to perfect the pastimes
That we have harbored based solely on the fact
That it makes us smile if it sounds dope
So abstract. So avant garde. So obscure.
Messofanego
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Aesop Rock as avant garde? I find him really accessible, there's nothing too hard to grasp. I find Death Grips to be more out there with his schizophrenic hobo mental ramblings on Money Store but then people say "Death Grips is hip hop for people who don't like hip hop"
Nice job picking the one song/album of his that has a perfectly obvious message. Most of his stuff is straight up word association poetry. As I said, I like him, I just don't consider him the kind of political message rapper that this thread seems to be about.
OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather
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Yes to both. And Aesop Rock is definitely not accessible. lol
And honestly, I thought Skelethon was weak. All his shit before that is ridiculous though.
Macmanus
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I purposely chose his most acclaimed/recognized album.
I love Aesop. He is not avant garde in the slightest though. Death Grips was a perfect example of something that could be labelled such.
That's why teenage suburbanites who barely listen to hip hop love Aesop so much. Because he isn't accessible? I think he might be one of the most accessible pseudo-backpackers in the game. Again; I love Aesop - but I'm not going to pretend he is something he's not.
Horseticuffs
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Johnlenham
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Having never listened to the guy, is he someone that people who bang on about Imortal would associate with rapping about "Real" things?
I remember having a conversation with someone I know (friend of a friend) and he kept telling me about him and I was constantly thinking he was talking about Asap and how he also really rates Imortal and does not like rapping about violence and drugs etc etc
Listen to Deltron 3030 (not Event II, that album is shit) and Both Sides of the Brain. Both are amazing; I Wish My Brother George Was Here is great too.
No. Not really.
Aesop Rock tells a lot of stories in his songs, but he's one of the few rappers that doesn't adhere to the idea that rap music has to be a constant show of aggression towards a particular subject. A lot of his stuff is word association poetry that spends a lot of effort weaving a loosely relatable story. I think people who don't often listen to rap like him so much because he talks about things that aren't so mired in thug life and getting his while telling you how to get yours. He has angry songs, sure, but even those songs feel relatible on a more basic level.
The only time Aesop Rock was really aggressive is when he was working with El-P. It's a shame they separated as they really complimented each other super nicely. But El's sound continues to be more aggressive and intense and angry while still being incredibly thoughtful, while Aesop Rock's sound continues to get more mellow and relaxing.
Aesop Rock - Pigs
Aesop Rock - The Tugboat Complex
Aesop Rock - Coffee
Aesop Rock - None Shall Pass
Aesop Rock - ZZZ Top
Aesop Rock and El-P - We're Famous
Aesop Rock and El-P - Run the Numbers
I REALLY like Aesop Rock. Skelethon probably was his weakest album, but it's still fucking incredible.
dr3upmushroom
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Man as long as guys like Doom and Madlib are out there I'm fine, tired of holier than thou rap as much as lil wayne shit.
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