This is way intelligence in hiphop needs to return

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Immortal Technique sucks. The only thing he's good for is showing your buddies in middle school that mom rape song because it's so "shocking".
 
Did someone say the dude who dropped 'you look so good, i'd suck on your daddy's dick', and made it sound oddly badass, along with the rest of that track, a bad lyricist? I will not stand for this.
 
XANDER CAGE said:
I get exactly what you're saying, and I think it's really silly. You're acting as if there's no money-bitches-bling rap overseas, which is patently false.
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It's not that there isn't any. It's that it's the vast vast minority. There's like 1 or 2 big dumb names like that per country. The rest is usually gold.

Would it ease your mind if I told you US rap is still the best in the world? Because it is. French comes very close, though. The US still has most of the world's top talent in the field. They're just outnumbered by the bad ones. Finding a good MC in the US for someone who's new to the genre requires sifting through alot of crap.
 
freenudemacusers said:
Did someone say the dude who dropped 'you look so good, i'd suck on your daddy's dick', and made it sound oddly badass, along with the rest of that track, a bad lyricist? I will not stand for this.
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I got techniques dripping out my buttcheeks
Sleep on my stomach so I don’t fuck up my sheets!
 
WanderingWind said:
...average lyrics. Jesus Christo.
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Oh come on... He had some standouts like Things Done Changed, but overall they weren't anything to write home about. They weren't bad (at all), but I wouldn't really recommend his work to anyone based on his lyrics.

He was the master of flow, though. Nobody has ever even gotten close.
 
Z.. said:
It's not that there isn't any. It's that it's the vast vast minority. There's like 1 or 2 big dumb names like that per country. The rest is usually gold.

Would it ease your mind if I told you US rap is still the best in the world? Because it is. French comes very close, though. The US still has most of the world's top talent in the field. They're just outnumbered by the bad ones. Finding a good MC in the US for someone who's new to the genre requires sifting through alot of crap.
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Only it really doesn't. There are plenty of quality accessible and already very popular mainstream rappers in the US, even if you're narrowing your definition of good to socially/politically charged.
 
Immortal Technique is an almost but not quite truther:
I said on [Revolutionary] Volume 2, that I didn't think Bush was responsible for 9/11, I just figured that the government is lying about their relationships with the people involved in it.
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and a crazy conspiracy theorist who believes in the new world order.

and he's intelligent? wat?
 
Z.. said:
Oh come on... He had some standouts like Things Done Changed, but overall they weren't anything to write home about. They weren't bad (at all), but I wouldn't really recommend his work to anyone based on his lyrics.

He was the master of flow, though. Nobody has ever even gotten close.
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If you base "lyrics" wholly on "speaking about social justice warrior 101 topics" then maybe I'd see where you're coming from. I mean, you'd still be ignoring a good chunk of his music, but hey, at least the opinion would be entirely terrible.
 
All my life I been considered as the worst
Lying to my mother, even stealing out her purse
Crime after crime, from drugs to extortion
I know my mother wished she got a fucking abortion
She don't even love me like she did when I was younger
Sucking on her chest just to stop my fucking hunger
I wonder if I died, would tears come to her eyes
Forgive me for my disrespect, forgive me for my lies


the delivery of this track seals it.
 
XANDER CAGE said:
Only it really doesn't. There are plenty of quality accessible and already very popular mainstream rappers in the US, even if you're narrowing your definition of good to socially/politically charged.
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I'm not. I'll listen to anything. ^^ Although I do prefer socially conscious stuff, when given the choice.

What can I say, here... You know exactly what I mean and you know it makes (at least some) sense. You want to get bogged down in the specifics of just how much crap one has to sift through, fine... but we'd be arguing for the sake of arguing. (I'll bet we won't see anything like Danny Brown's Old or Run The Jewels' debut in the list of best selling hip hop albums from 2013, though!)
 
XANDER CAGE said:
I feel like some of y'all don't consider lyrics good unless they're like, actually political stump speeches.
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It seems most truth-bombs are always in the form of some assertion based on a subjective position of viewpoint. I really don't know what the fuck people mean when they say intelligent hip-hop. If anything we need more humility in the scene.
 
Why has nobody here not mentioned Grieves? The guy is an awesome artist with good use of wordplay and a great message. One of my favourites, everyone can like Kanye and Kendrick all they want and that's awesome, but this guy is one of the tops of my list.

Sunny Side of Hell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFySCGeVmQI

It always pisses me off when people make fun of how he looks, when he's full of great writing.
 
Z.. said:
I'm not. I'll listen to anything. ^^ Although I do prefer socially conscious stuff, when given the choice.

What can I say, here... You know exactly what I mean and you know it makes (at least some) sense. You want to get bogged down in the specifics of just how much crap one has to sift through, fine... but we'd be arguing for the sake of arguing. (I'll bet we won't see anything like Danny Brown's Old or Run The Jewels' debut in the list of best selling hip hop albums from 2013, though!)
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Will we see any of your favorite underground French rappers topping the charts in Europe?

joe2187 said:
Nah that goes to Ghostface Killah. Dude is fucking nuts with his lyrics.

If lil jon can ice his cup
I top that shit and Ice my nuts!
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I definitely won't argue against Ghostface. Ghostface is legend.
 
I like Grieves. Met the dude a couple times. Humble kid. Good storyteller, but pretty much has one flow and his songs can sound sort of samey. He's never going to blow up though.
 
You guys haven't heard blu

Listen to "below the heavens" i promise it's one of the best hip hop albums in the past 10 years
 
joe2187 said:
Nah that goes to Ghostface Killah. Dude is fucking nuts with his lyrics.

If lil jon can ice his cup
I top that shit and Ice my nuts!
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don't forget

You at the bar, whoadie, drinking my piss, uh
The yellow shit, and the bottle ain't Crys', son
You turned your muthafuckin' head, nigga, we switched 'em
 
WanderingWind said:
I like Grieves. Met the dude a couple times. Humble kid. Good storyteller, but pretty much has one flow and his songs can sound sort of samey. He's never going to blow up though.
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And that's ok. I like people with a similar sounding flow and sound so he's totally up my alley. Cool to hear he's awesome in person.
 
WanderingWind said:
If you base "lyrics" wholly on "speaking about social justice warrior 101 topics" then maybe I'd see where you're coming from. I mean, you'd still be ignoring a good chunk of his music, but hey, at least the opinion would be entirely terrible.
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Not at all! I enjoy lyrics from all walks of life! The thing is, to me, Biggie has never really been a standout, lyrically. There's been plenty of guys over the years that have done his thing better than him. He'll always be a fucking god in my eyes and one of my all time favorites (top 5 material, for sure), but lyrically, he's just okay, imo. Don't have single bad thing to say about his lyrics, but I also have very little good things to say about them.
 
trixx said:
You guys haven't heard blu

Listen to "below the heavens" i promise it's one of the best hip hop albums in the past 10 years
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Everybody has heard Blu. My grandma has Her Favorite Colo(u)r on her iPod.

Z.. said:
Not at all! I enjoy lyrics from all walks of life! The thing is, to me, Biggie has never really been a standout, lyrically. There's been plenty of guys over the years that have done his thing better than him. He'll always be a fucking god in my eyes and one of my all time favorites (top 5 material, for sure), but lyrically, he's just okay, imo. Don't have single bad thing to say about his lyrics, but I also have very little good things to say about them.
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Opinions or whatever, but when talking about the legendary figures in music, just saying "I don't think he was very good" doesn't really hold any weight. People exist that think Johnny Cash and the Beatles were overrated or whatever, and they're entitled to their opinion, but it's not really worth debating unless they come with something more substantive.
 
I was already familiar with Tech, but I'm not very familiar with hiphop so I want to thank this thread for introducing me to Lupe Fiasco.

This shit is good. He went nuts or some shit?
 
XANDER CAGE said:
Will we see any of your favorite underground French rappers topping the charts in Europe?
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Non-US Hip Hop CDs making the charts over here in Europe? Ahahahahahah! That'd be a lovely thought. =D

Realistically, though, that comment in brackets was just me being provocative, sorry about that.
 
Horseticuffs said:
I was already familiar with Tech, but I'm not very familiar with hiphop so I want to thank this thread for introducing me to Lupe Fiasco.

This shit is good. He went nuts or some shit?
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Last I heard of him, he did an event for the white house and repeated a line about the president being a terrorist over and over again until they removed him.
 
Horseticuffs said:
Pinned to my library! This is why I subscribed to a music service. I'm not crazy about subscriptions but damn if it won't save me dosh in the end.
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Okay, that guy is fucking with you. Food and Liquor 1 and The Cool are the albums you need to listen to. Lasers is his Chris Gaines record
 
so whats the consensus on Lupe? i personally think he's pretty great. The Cool is an album ill never forget. Really liked FL2 though as well
 
joe2187 said:
It's a trap.

Listen to some good shit, some mellow shit like CunningLinguists, some funk shit like Janelle monae, or any of The Roots album will do you good any time.
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Yes! Holy shit, this is truly the first good name that has been dropped in this thread.
 
Z.. said:
Neither do I. But I constantly see it in "Best hip hop albums" lists. Heck, that's what led me to listen to it in the first place!



Well, a 3.8 rating on RYM says... alot of people, I guess? Plus, check what I said above. I see it listed all the time. I ain't saying the dude's a god, but he certainly ain't ass either.

I agree. His flow is average at best. But flow is only 1 third of what makes a good hip hop song. He has awesome lyrics and enjoyable production, and that's quite enough for me.

Did Biggie's average lyrics stop you from enjoying his incredible flow?
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Mentioning biggie and immortal shit in the same sentence is how I know you are trolling.
 
WanderingWind said:
Opinions or whatever, but when talking about the legendary figures in music, just saying "I don't think he was very good" doesn't really hold any weight. People exist that think Johnny Cash and the Beatles were overrated or whatever, and they're entitled to their opinion, but it's not really worth debating unless they come with something more substantive.
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You want me to waste time explaining the obvious? Go check any contemporaneous albums by Nas, Pac, Big L, KRS, Rakim, or Kool G and then go listen to Ready To Die. It's like comparing Philip Roth with Dostoyevsky. Biggie was decent and quite adept at storytelling, but you'd be hard pressed to make a case for him being anywhere near the top lyricists in the game.

Also, this is a terrible discussion to have because of how completely pointless it is. We both like him, this would result in absolutely nothing good for either of us. We'd waste time and gain nothing.
 
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