Claude Kenni
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The backlash to this article is pathetic.
Arstechnica: Dont read too much into the PS4s million day-one sales
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Aquamarine
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One of the Ars staff is not happy with the opinions we're posing on their opinion article
Why do they equate "people who disagree with / don't like their poorly-written article" with "PS4 owners"? I don't own a PS4 and I don't plan on getting one in the near future.
Winterfang
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No fun allowed?
Relaxed Muscle
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Makes sense, console releases are "mostly" successful (that said 360 was highly supply constrained, wasn't it? how it makes a good comparisson?). Still PS4 numbers are pretty damn good and downplaying them is a bit silly. Yeah, who knows what happen in the next months? right now the PS4 is a great success.
The_Hitcher89
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Yep, presuming that it translates to frequent pricedrops as production becomes cheaper and more efficient
FunkyPajamas
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I would be worried about this to be honest.
isnt AC 900p right now? Quite possibly dropping it manually to 720p might look a lot worse than 900p.
I don't really get it. The salient point of the article is totally correct, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with celebrating the PS4's initial success. There is a whole lot that can go wrong with a launch like this, and to reach 1 million (mostly) satisfied customers is a heckuva an accomplishment. An article like this just reads like someone trying to rain on a parade. It's almost juvenile.
He's kinda right, many previous launches were severely supply constrained. Launch numbers for PS4 are impressive, but that has partially to do with the fact that they were actually able to get a million units onto shelves for Nov 15th.
There's no guarantees in the business, but when you look at the future prospects of the system (strong 1st and 3rd party support, powerful hardware and great services in PS+ and Gaikai), I don't doubt that they will be able to continue the momentum throughout the generation.
In a vacuum the million sold isn't a measure of long term success, but with all the other factors included it shows that the platform is off to a strong start with a bright future.
Bringing up Wii U and Dreamcast is disingenuous as they both had similar issues that held them back from strong continued momentum (PS4 and X1, PS2 launch looming and waning 3rd party support).
There's no guarantees in the business, but when you look at the future prospects of the system (strong 1st and 3rd party support, powerful hardware and great services in PS+ and Gaikai), I don't doubt that they will be able to continue the momentum throughout the generation.
In a vacuum the million sold isn't a measure of long term success, but with all the other factors included it shows that the platform is off to a strong start with a bright future.
Bringing up Wii U and Dreamcast is disingenuous as they both had similar issues that held them back from strong continued momentum (PS4 and X1, PS2 launch looming and waning 3rd party support).
People are criticizing it..I see nothing wrong with that. What's pathetic is the authors response on twitter
Like the hat?
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I personally think it's pretty obvious ps4 is going to be the top selling console this gen, unless Nintendo REALLY turns wii u around.
Xbone has too much going against it in public eyes, most of all being the price and the fact that people still believe that the drm issue is in effect
Xbone has too much going against it in public eyes, most of all being the price and the fact that people still believe that the drm issue is in effect
SolidSnakex
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It is?
If it were well sourced then he wouldn't have even brought this up. The PS2's numbers were only 500k because Sony had major shipping issues and had to cut their shipments from 1m to 500k just two weeks before release. So it wasn't a case of the Xbox or GC selling as much or more as the PS2 as much as it was a case that Sony just couldn't make enough units to meet the demand for the console. Had they then it would've absolutely held the record for best selling console. And what did end up doing in the end? Destroying everything in its path in terms of sales.
To make themselves feel better about the reaction to an otherwise rather pointless article.
ProfessorMoran
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Basically a tech site is telling people tech doesn't matter, so why would the tech site even matter?
IAmRandom31
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Ok wait wait ..
So they are saying selling 1,000,000 in 24h is no different then 400K in a week? And then they are saying the Xbox 360 was THE MOST DOMINANT CONSOLE OF THE GENERATION?
When sales wise it is actually in last place? Or soon will be?
the Wii dominated sales this past generation, and the PS3 is now caught up or surpassed sales of the 360 at this point.
I do not mind opinions. But when your opinions are based on plain wrong " facts " then you have an issue.
So they are saying selling 1,000,000 in 24h is no different then 400K in a week? And then they are saying the Xbox 360 was THE MOST DOMINANT CONSOLE OF THE GENERATION?
When sales wise it is actually in last place? Or soon will be?
the Wii dominated sales this past generation, and the PS3 is now caught up or surpassed sales of the 360 at this point.
I do not mind opinions. But when your opinions are based on plain wrong " facts " then you have an issue.
Some of the people in this thread are being ridiculous here thinking this is some Microsoft pr, get your head out of your ass please. Let's be honest, if they ship 1 million Xboxes for launch they will sell all of them. It's not the launch window that determines how well you do in the console generation.
He's right in the sense that a lot of the celebrating and some of the crazy declarations people have made are way too premature.
A million in a day is an amazing number of units, Sony and its fans should be very happy about it. However, it doesn't guarantee anything moving forward. It doesn't mean that Sony can draw in the casual and non/gamer. It doesn't mean that mobile won't continue to eat away market share and dev share. It doesn't even mean that Sony will take back North America.
Its the first step in a long journey.
A million in a day is an amazing number of units, Sony and its fans should be very happy about it. However, it doesn't guarantee anything moving forward. It doesn't mean that Sony can draw in the casual and non/gamer. It doesn't mean that mobile won't continue to eat away market share and dev share. It doesn't even mean that Sony will take back North America.
Its the first step in a long journey.
phosphor112
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Lol hahahaha. Come on now.
IHaveCandy
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I can confirm Wii U did NOT sell out during launch.
ummm.. really?
I removed "market leading" from the bolded part because it has NOTHING to do with the second sentence. It's like the put "market leading" in that first sentence to make it factual, but then in the second sentence say "there have been other big launches that weren't long term successes". It's CYA on intentional baiting.
So wait, Gamecube and XBox each had smaller launches than PS2 and ended up selling fewer consoles over the gen? I am shocked!! Oh wait.. again subtle wording to CYA (comparing one day of sales to one week of sales)
So Wii sold insane numbers from 2006-2012 but died a horrible death when Nintendo stopped supporting it. News at 11 (oh wait, what place did Wii finish the gen in?) More CYA comparisons that change the point mid-paragraph.
It is an awful article meant to do one thing.. temper enthusiasm. Why does a site publishing articles about video games want to temper enthusiasm for video games? Honest non-rhetorical question.
ProfessorMoran
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One of the Ars staff is not happy with the opinions we're posing on their opinion article
They're perfectly fine with THEMSELVES having an opinion about something, but when somebody else (such as some people on gaf) is having an opinion on their opinion, they're not ok with it?
Oh wow, this is the same Kyle Orland who started the Super Mario Bros HQ fansite. Used to visit there all the time when I was about 11. Never realised he'd moved on to Ars Technica...
Not too sure about the article itself. Sure it's sensible to wait and see how the PS4 and Xbox One fare in the long term sales-wise, but I really think the PS4's amazing US start is a testament to how appealing it is and how good a job Sony have done with it.
Not too sure about the article itself. Sure it's sensible to wait and see how the PS4 and Xbox One fare in the long term sales-wise, but I really think the PS4's amazing US start is a testament to how appealing it is and how good a job Sony have done with it.
iamshadowlark
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I mean, I guess their premise is correct, but there seems to be a huge sense of damage control in this article. And it seems to be a bit bigger than just ars(looking at polygon and the pa guy).
It's been like this fo what seems like the better part of a year. From the moment Orth bust on the scene and GAF rose up against him, their has been a certain negativity towards Sony and GAF. From cliffyB(used to be a poster) to Gies(posted here as well) they've been softening the blow for MS' horrible mistakes and Sony's victories alike. Whats going on?
It's been like this fo what seems like the better part of a year. From the moment Orth bust on the scene and GAF rose up against him, their has been a certain negativity towards Sony and GAF. From cliffyB(used to be a poster) to Gies(posted here as well) they've been softening the blow for MS' horrible mistakes and Sony's victories alike. Whats going on?
pants
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phosphor112
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Lol hahahaha. Come on now.
SwiftDeath
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Why is a "tech" site trying to tell me that a large launch for a consumer electronics device shouldn't matter to market analysts now?
I don't get it. Why would that be the job of a "tech" site?
I don't get it. Why would that be the job of a "tech" site?
floatingcoffins
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PS4 secret sauce confirmed
It seems like the fact that sony DID ship 1 million consoles for launch in one territory is being overlooked. It seems like this gargantuan feat is being overlooked and now people are saying, "Yeah, any console could do it."
Yeah? Well why hasn't it been done before?
RedNumberFive
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Jesus H Christ, does Microsoft have Ars and Polygon on retainer? That is the only explanation that makes sense.
Trogdor1123
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Thats some decent revisionist histry there, that is.
One of the Ars staff is not happy with the opinions we're posing on their opinion article
Or maybe we don't care about a what if article with no real insight to it. I guess you enjoy your fluff pieces more than the rest of us.
iamshadowlark
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That resolution piece coming from them was the first major eyebrow raiser for me. This is coming from the site that used to post brilliant tech articles like this
http://arstechnica.com/features/2005/06/xbox360-2/
It's absolutely baffling how low they seem to be sinking.
To the mass consumer? It doesn't. Why do you think it's taking so long for everyone to adopt HDTVs? Blu-Rays over DVD?
Hardcore gamers? Sure, it matters. But guess what? They are in the minority. They don't matter in the grand scheme of things. If they did and if it truly mattered everyone would just buy a PC and a korean IPS monitor.
mr teaspoon
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Really? Ars is now being shit on?
Sigh. Yeah, you nailed it. It's definitely not a game/tech website commenting on current events in the industry, it's Ars Technica, as a monolith, staking out a claim for shit talking a year from now. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Sigh. Yeah, you nailed it. It's definitely not a game/tech website commenting on current events in the industry, it's Ars Technica, as a monolith, staking out a claim for shit talking a year from now. Yeah, that's the ticket.
MMaRsu
Gold Member
Holy shitballs this shit is starting to get fucking annoying now.
Almost all these fucking sites are garbage. I mean, 720p<>1080p doesn't matter, and make sure not to buy into that brand new PS4!
Better yet wait till the Xbone is released!
HO-LY SHIT. Comparing the PS4 situation to Dreamcast & Xbox 360?? WUT.
Must take sedatives fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Almost all these fucking sites are garbage. I mean, 720p<>1080p doesn't matter, and make sure not to buy into that brand new PS4!
Better yet wait till the Xbone is released!
HO-LY SHIT. Comparing the PS4 situation to Dreamcast & Xbox 360?? WUT.
Must take sedatives fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
BlazingDarkness
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Well Sony doesn't exactly have a track record of having consoles release only to meet languishing sales soon after, right?
The only exceptions are Vita/ PSP GO and I don't think either of those sold particularly well at launch. Sony supports their systems which sees their sales rise over time, consistently.
I mean, look at this;
I also enjoyed them repeating the 'MS' and 'healthy sales' thing.
The only exceptions are Vita/ PSP GO and I don't think either of those sold particularly well at launch. Sony supports their systems which sees their sales rise over time, consistently.
I mean, look at this;
It's comparing to other platforms, and not going by PS1/PS2/PS3 history, which seems ridiculous.
I also enjoyed them repeating the 'MS' and 'healthy sales' thing.
IAmRandom31
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Ok wait wait ..
So they are saying selling 1,000,000 is no different then 400K in a week? And then they are saying the Xbox 360 was THE MOST DOMINANT CONSOLE OF THE GENERATION?
When sales wise it is actually in last place? Or soon will be?
the Wii dominated sales this past generation, and the PS3 is now caught up or surpassed sales of the 360 at this point.
I do not mind opinions. But when your opinions are based on plain wrong " facts " then you have an issue.
So they are saying selling 1,000,000 is no different then 400K in a week? And then they are saying the Xbox 360 was THE MOST DOMINANT CONSOLE OF THE GENERATION?
When sales wise it is actually in last place? Or soon will be?
the Wii dominated sales this past generation, and the PS3 is now caught up or surpassed sales of the 360 at this point.
I do not mind opinions. But when your opinions are based on plain wrong " facts " then you have an issue.
Unknown One
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No, but I've judged your website on one article.
not_so_special
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Aurich Lawson ‏@aurich 36min
Man, PS4 owners are sure touchy little buggers. If you don't felate their console just right you've got an agenda and a hidden bias.
Retwitteado por Kyle Orland
his twitter is very revealing..and ben kuchera being ben kuchera
Man-is-Obsolete
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What is there to read into? It sold a million units in 24 hours, it will sell another million in Europe next week, and another million after restocks before the end of the year. That is a larger userbase in a month than the Wii U has accumulated in a year.
Are they trying to tell me mobile phones are going to replace my console still?
Are they trying to tell me mobile phones are going to replace my console still?
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