Keyword: *had not*. Unless you decided to accuse me of double standards based off a post I was due to make in the future, I'm right.
Prominent youtuber KSI censors video from Videogamer.com critquing him
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Keyword: *had not*. Unless you decided to accuse me of double standards based off a post I was due to make in the future, I'm right.
Joel Was Right
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I'm tired. Please explain to me where I've misunderstood things.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
I should stop being mean and try to rephrase it publicly so I'm understood. It's not your fault i'm in a bad mood, it's my own.
Let's say people say, "hey, hardcastlemccormick, you're an asshole," okay, fine, we can argue about that. Maybe I am, maybe I'm not, we can use evidence to prove either way. But it's a valid thing to debate.
I'm not going to deflect my saying "well you guys like GAFPOSTERX and he's an asshole too!" That may be true, and it's probably another valid argument to make. But that doesn't mean their original "hardcastle is an asshole" wasn't valid. It does nothing for the debate either way. It's just attacking the integrity of the original complaint without any logical claims.
Hopefully that makes sense.
I agree. But I don't know why people are so quick to put out the disclaimers "no no no I'm not just defending women here" or "no, I'm not just talking about sexually demeaning comedy." It's semantics that has no real reason to be discussed. Of course I'd have an issue with it whether or not it's women vs anybody else. It seems like such a trivial distinction that people insist on making.
Neuromancer
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Shahid Ahmad from Sony putting in his two cents:
Riposte
Member
Shahid Ahmad from Sony putting in his two cents:
I'm guessing he got his subscribers due to FIFA coverage?
Pretty derogatory headline. How about we call all of the Kotaku staff "bloggers" or "YouTubers" because they write blogs and make YouTube videos?
The Real Abed
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Pardon my ignorance, but who the hell is KSi?
*Googles*
Edit: Apparently some YouTuber I've never heard of that makes videos I'd never be interested in. Checked his Discussion section of his channel. Looks like the backlash is coming along nicely. Guy's a dick for having a TotalBiscuit video I would probably have enjoyed removed.
*Googles*
Edit: Apparently some YouTuber I've never heard of that makes videos I'd never be interested in. Checked his Discussion section of his channel. Looks like the backlash is coming along nicely. Guy's a dick for having a TotalBiscuit video I would probably have enjoyed removed.
Joel Was Right
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Shahid Ahmad from Sony putting in his two cents:
What does Shahid think of people who bought a PS2/PS3 to be able to do the crazy stuff on GTA? Since when has this moral clout arisen in the eyes of these people in the industry? I'm not defending KSI - I don't find him funny at all, but there appears to be a contradiction at play here. What am I missing?
We're in a business where the best selling titles are that that glorify war and violence; this is the truth for Shahid's Sony as well. If the objectification of women is morally reprehensible, then what say he on the fact that he earns a living working in such an industry?
Neuromancer
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That's a good point, the vile objectification and ridicule for women is just what he does on the side I guess.
I'm not seeing the connection you're drawing between a user's actions in a video game and a corporation paying an individual known (in part) for being extremely offensive to promote their product.
That is an amazing comparison, well done.
Shahid Ahmad from Sony putting in his two cents:
I find this comment more disgusting than anything, of the little, I've seen of KSI. Seriously.
There is no way that Shahid has done enough research to be so heinous in his comments, yet he says something that paints KSI to be the worst kind of person.
Ugh, I think the less said about all of this, the better.
You have no idea what's going on, do you?
Those people aren't being paid to represent a company. And those people aren't trying to sexually harass random women at a gamer con. This is just a bad comparison.
The Kim Kardashian's of cyberspace, is the best summary I can think of.
One is walking up to a real life woman and asking where her tit's are or asking her how much would she take to suck his dick. The other isn't real and hurts/embarrasses no one.
matt was attacking MS and EA for using this guy to attract stupid young males in order to sell them their shit. Matt was bringing to the general public's attention the fact that these corporations apparently have no problem using using RAPE FACE guy to pimp their garbage.
In wider society, RAPE FACE is not funny, nor is sexual harassment. Making the fact that these companies are paying this man and helping to make him more famous known to wider society exposed those company's twisted ethics. As such, Microsoft had to dump RAPE FACE guy lest their bullshit image get tarnished.
It has zero to do with censorship.
The Real Abed
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Apparently not. I'm reading the original thread and can't make head nor tails of this situation.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
Just watched the whole thing, I suppose there is a fine line between being offensive and being funny and Kassem is a lot more tactful. KSI was flat out being a twat.
Joel Was Right
Member
That's because I'm not invoking the individual user. Matt made it plainly clear that the issue here isn't so much our individual opinions of KSI or the cotentious themes he invoked with his behaviour, but rather that whether corporations with a public image -- a family image -- should want to be associated with those themes. His point being; you yourself may not have a problem with KSI, but would your wife feel the same? Would your parents?
If this is therefore an issue of public image rather than personal sensibilities, why cannot I therefore make an equivalence between Microsoft not wanting to be associated with anything harmful to their image in the form of an immature, misogynist from YouTube - and promoting/supporting and profiteering from games that glorify violence and sexual imagery? Interestingly, something tells me Ballmer/Gates themselves wouldn't personally advocate it, but they allowed it because they wanted to attract "stupid young gamers"; the same audience KSI has. It's the same audience everyone in this industry wants to attract irrespective; it's where the core of their business is. You and I may not feel CoD and thinly-dressed female characters to pose a moral dilemma, but would our wives feel the same? Would our parents? The argument can be made that they'd find it as displeasing, if not more so, than what KSI's attitude.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
It's a good thing this discussion is happening because then people can see, "oh, man, this is industry wide" and we start seeing change. It's incremental. There's hypocrisy at certain stages of the transition, and we'll just have to get over it. It's better than just throwing your hands up in the air and saying, "welp, can't be helped, guess the industry will always be full of shit."
Nymphae
Banned
Ah ok, glad I've remained ignorant then.
I seriously don't get the appeal of watching other people play games or stream random bullshit. There is not enough time in life to enjoy all the media I want to, or focus on my own ideas, I don't know how people find time to watch shit like this. To each their own I guess.
Canis lupus
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Anyone got a mirror to the video?
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I think it is because a lot of them try to create a sense of community. People like that. Also some Youtubers are quite funny. And there is a lot of money to be made on Youtube so the incentive for them to keep making (good?) videos is there.
You may not know, but some shareholders feel that way. i.e. Xbox damages the microsoft brand. It is one of the reasons Jobs never let Apple get into gaming.
The simple answer is that COD, GTA, and everything you are supposedly objecting you are brings in revenue and in the eyes of the corporation that backs these products, it is worth it to take any sort of PR backlash associated with these games. KSI has no ability to any thing so worthwhile as actually bring in revenue. So he is on a much shorter leash and worth much less.
Joel Was Right
Member
I understand Microsofts/Sony's position.
I don't understand Shahid/Matt's intolerance of KSI whilst they themselves make a living making/reviewing/promoting games that demonstrate arguably more morally problematic issues. Would Matt like to record a new video lambasting Videogamer's coverage of e.g. CoD? KSI makes offensive comments. In games like CoD, you are encouraged to slash people's throats
Let's get some consistency here before we start flicking mud
Ask one of his 4 million plus subscribers on Youtube since none of them seem to be here.
Today is the first time I've even heard of this guy.
Of course, I'm American and don't play FIFA, so this is not surprising to me in any way.
A good way to point out that his behavior was encouraged in the past. Unfortunately for him he crossed a line with people who don't approve of his antics. So tough luck.
The more important question is why KSI felt the need to abuse copyright laws to censor a critique.
Anything soccer related usually has most people in NA zoning out. Reminds when of when Stephen Colbert talks about soccer, LOL.
Microsoft does, as has already been evidenced.
Opinionatedfish
Member
I don't know who any of these people are...
But censorship is pretty vile.
If you are going to act like an ass to people, don't be upset if someone videotapes you acting like an ass. You made the choice to be an ass and being videotaped being an ass is just the consequences of that ass-itude.
Also, ass is a damn funny-ass word.
But censorship is pretty vile.
If you are going to act like an ass to people, don't be upset if someone videotapes you acting like an ass. You made the choice to be an ass and being videotaped being an ass is just the consequences of that ass-itude.
Also, ass is a damn funny-ass word.
Maninthemirror
Banned
Microsoft has severed at ties with KSI
First off, shahid is a part of sony so if you understand sony's reasoning, you understand shahid.
Secondly, I don't think you can compare the actions in a video game to real life. They are very two different things since one affects another human being while another just harms pixels.
Sexually harassing actual women /= running over digital hookers in a videogame.
Sqrt_minus_one
Member
Is Matt now assuming the role of MS PR? I think KSI's videos are awful, I do have a problem with his actions but said actions have been undertaken by others without them being singled out. MS PR must surely have browsed his youtube archive he does stupid, immature, crap but why did Matt take it upon himself to call him out specifically, why not call out all the other perpetrators.
eot
Banned
If you have an audience why does it matter if it's on TV, in a movie theatre or on youtube?
Tallshortman
Member
How did MS not do a simple google search of this guy before hiring him? I mean I find it strange they're either so incompetent they don't do a basic search of this guy's history for any sort of controversy (as harrison claims they had no idea about it) or they're lying and knew about past controversy and hired him anyway. Either way, MS PR has been a long line of head scratching nonsense.
Joel Was Right
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Of course not. Killing someone, for example, in a video game isn't the same as hurting someone in real life. What I'm saying is that it doesn't make sense to expect the same companies to take a standpoint on the basis of morality when they're willing to swap self-righteousness for profit by even having such stuff on their systems. But what kind of defence is that anyway? "No, I would never make a sexist comment! That is horrible. By the way, buy this game from us - you can go to stripbars, abuse prostitutes and set people alight!" I play CoD but I don't support war. I can make that distinction - all of us can. But Matt isn't talking about "us"; he is talking about the family image. Could companies try to make that distinction to mums and dads who want to buy little Jimmy a console? I don't know if they can. Can you imagine Microsoft/Sony ever making a statement denouncing violence of all kinds prompted by some random context? PR would have a nightmare trying to justify why there are violent games on their systems. But for someone else to try and make that statement for them? It doesn't fit.
KSI is perhaps the most fitting figure for modern video games in some ways. He plays to the lowest common denominator (immature teenage boys) to profit off whilst establishing a brand. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he was actually a different person off-camera. A bit like Microsoft's Window ads compared to the gore you see in Ryse
Opinionatedfish
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Neuromancer
Member
Because Matt Lees saw something he didn't like, so he made an editorial video to express his thoughts? It's not that hard.
What other idiot that's done worse on Youtube has been hired by MS and EA to promote their products? Feel free to make a video about that guy and maybe we'll make a thread about it for you.
Watch KSI's antics here: KSI being awkward in Eurogamer Expo
Chronology of events: YouTube Celeb KSI Sexually Harasses Attendees At Expo
Matt Lees is reuploading the video but with KSI's bits cut out, although he should be able to get copyright from Eurogamer rather than KSI bungling the system.Already done
"Alright we're here with.. massive tits!"
*closes video* nope.
Not in the mood for some good old schadenfreude.
Ah I see your point now. I do understand where you're coming from.
I have to say though MS must have known what kind of person he is so they had to expect some kind of shock comedy right? I mean very little research on his videos bring up what type of character he is so they had to expect what kind of stuff he would be pulling so why would they ok it? It just seems wrong is all.
Thomas_Daly
Banned
I'm tired of these so called youtube celebs hate them all
freenudemacusers
Member
so, microsoft hired a guy who had the following exchange with a woman:
"what are you doing not fingering yourself?"
"pardon?!"
"What, I'm being nice to you!" (as woman walk off confused)
*proceeds to make obscene gesture at woman with fingers and tongue*
just those lads and their banter
"what are you doing not fingering yourself?"
"pardon?!"
"What, I'm being nice to you!" (as woman walk off confused)
*proceeds to make obscene gesture at woman with fingers and tongue*
just those lads and their banter
JakkuFurosu
Member
Well thats kinda shitty.
I just subbed videogamer like last week off a gaffer recommendation and enjyed their vids.
Hope this works itself out in a timely manner for them.
I just subbed videogamer like last week off a gaffer recommendation and enjyed their vids.
Hope this works itself out in a timely manner for them.
You know they didn't hire him to do that, right?
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