ThisWreckage
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This is 100% incorrect. A person can definitely be proud of their heritage despite their race, creed, or gender. Saying that a group of people aren't allowed to be proud because they've never had to endure hardship is bullshit.
3 White college students file racial discrimination complaint against professor
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This is 100% incorrect. A person can definitely be proud of their heritage despite their race, creed, or gender. Saying that a group of people aren't allowed to be proud because they've never had to endure hardship is bullshit.
So being a white supremacist is ok with you as long as you're in Zimbabwe?
or more generally: do you think there's an objective metric of what percentage of a population must be made up of people who share a certain trait with you and are discriminated against for it before it's ok to derive pride from that given trait?
to be clear: I uphold the notion that deriving pride from anything that you have no influence on is idiotic and nothing more than self-righteousness
ThisWreckage
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I totally agree with you here. I think "pride" in general is extremely stupid, but to say that a group of people can't be proud because they haven't been oppressed is moronic.
Angelus Errare
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This thread seems to be going swimmingly.
Ok littlefinger, we'll play your game. So the races are reversed, but the situation stands. White teacher teaching facts about racial inequality as it relates to communication in this country. 3 black men stand up and complain saying they feel unfairly targeted by the media and society in general. First difference, it would actually be true. Second difference, they wouldn't be talking about her.
You imply that it would be a white person catching trouble for making black students feel targeted by negative anti-black propaganda, but history and social science isn't antagonistic. And it certainly doesn't single out whites. And it shouldn't be compared to anti-white propaganda unless you're challenging the facts of history and have an agenda(that you're willing to declare). And instead of having their pride hurt and responding defensively to their teachers during class, maybe they should have saved their issues and questions for after class. Or if they had real complaints, to go to the administrators.
Yeah, I will say I don't think it was right of her to single out students.
But I mean, historically speaking, white men have done some fucked up shit in America. *shrug*
Uncle Rupee
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It's not that it should be prohibited, just that it seems kind of stupid. I've never understood being proud of your gender, race, or nationality, or anything else that you acquired out of a random chance. To borrow from earlier in this thread, that's like being proud of having blue eyes or something. You can, however, be proud of your group's ability to overcome oppression.
When you hear a black/gay/TV person talking about pride its always a reaction towards hate based on that characteristic that is part of them. It might seem like a load of shit to you, but then again your first post set up a very confrontational tone to people pointing out a current reality that you cant accept.
Hell, you went into "Blah blah America is a full of thin-skinned pansies unlike me" mode because the teacher decided to take measures on what she considered an unjustly measure, but students interrupting, not to present an argument but to complain? Totally fine!
I feel fortunate to have been born in England and I feel fortunate that I was born with blue eyes (as well as being male, tall, and yeah, white). I'm not sure that 'proud' is the right word because I didn't work for any of this, but I do thank my lucky stars that I was dealt a pretty fucking cool hand.
I think you need to be careful not to conflate the people that you're vilifying with the people that you're educating.
Edit: Or, at least, not make the people that you're educating feel like they're being vilified. People are bound to get defensive when they're told that a group they identify with are bad, bad people.
ThisWreckage
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Yeah, I'm through here. For reasons I've detailed a million times on this forum. Race/political discussion on this forum is a farce.
curlyfriski
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I think of white pride as being a bit like men's rights advocacy. You can construct a case that there's nothing wrong with the idea, but it's hard to take seriously when the vast majority of people who care about these things are bigots.
Uncle Rupee
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Feeling grateful is not the same as taking pride in it. You can feel grateful for winning the lottery, too, and no one will hold that against you. Taking pride in winning the lottery, however...
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
When you put it like that, it almost invites a crude comparison to other types of prejudice
Devolution
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Yeah pride movements of oppressed groups are specifically in response to being SHAT on for being part of that group.
How is it a farce?
ThisWreckage
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How on Earth is it not? It's rinse and repeat. People have their agendas on here and the transparency is sickening. The usual suspects are out in force. I'll leave the circle jerk debating to someone who actually cares.
Discussing subjects like this is tough and not everyone can do it you got to really know how to delegate the subject to engage in this type of conversation and be able to respect others opinion. She should of covered items like this in her class intro. Maybe the professor wasn't objective enough?
What did she do that was sexist?
curlyfriski
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He ran away so you win by virtue of being the last participant standing.
edit: Oh wait he came back. Damn mobile gaf not updating.
Yes, in quite a few countries. The world does not revolve around NA.
He addressed your post and instead of responding to what he wrote you decided to leave the thread in a huff.
It seems you're the only one who doesn't want actual discussion.
Intro to Mass Communication.
http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/...dents_during_structural_racism_discussion.php
It's hard to really know exactly what went on in that class, but it sounds like the white students were the ones singling themselves out by repeatedly heckling the professor during the whole thing. It's like when some obnoxious student decide to ask asinine questions every two minutes and the professor asks them to either stop or see them after class if they really need help with things.
Uncle Rupee
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Yeah but in the majority of those places, the whites were colonial rulers who created the racial divide to begin with! Stealing land and resources, and enslaving the population tends to have ripple effects when the oppressed natives win back their power. I was just watching an episode of Anthony Bourdain's show about the Congo that perfectly illustrates this.
Mass Communication, I believe that's in the OP
This thread is already going places...
Of course, but the victims are people who had nothing to do with the laws set in place 50-60 years ago like White South Africans in SA.
What does that even mean? You think that there is an inherent quality in whiteness that has helped you achieve....anything?
I think you should change vast majority to most vocal.
They're destroying it for every group no matter what it's about.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
I'm not sure if people who can't properly contextualize the historical crimes worked into or system from there own lives or understand why it needs correction should be commenting so definitively on it.
I'm not sure if this thread is a carnival of stupidity or just racists trying to find strength in numbers but i want no part of it. Hopefully after its closed, if a new one is made, rational conversions can be had.
I'm not sure if this thread is a carnival of stupidity or just racists trying to find strength in numbers but i want no part of it. Hopefully after its closed, if a new one is made, rational conversions can be had.
You read through the article and all the emails in less than or equal to 2 minutes? No you didn't, you were just looking for anything to discount anyone who talks about racism, as you do in every single thread like this that I've seen you post in.
And what exactly in the article, or emails, did she say that was racist? Yes, please actually read it this time so you can give me an answer.
Ah yes the poor whites of South Africa who did their best to put an end to the apartheid?
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
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I guess similar to the OP, everything we had to read was always slanted the same way.
Heh, yeah, that's reasonable.
Uncle Rupee
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But they are still the beneficiaries of their ancestors' actions! The wealth they accrued and passed down through the generations, such as stolen farmland, for example, is an incredibly valuable resource that shouldn't even belong to them.
ElbowRocket
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Culture gets defined by race no? Read the whole thing first pls.
I'm done with these petty arguments gawd.
What do you mean by social programming? I think everyone here is reasonable about the historical context of the conversation that this news is talking about, but I got lost in the last part.
Don't bother, he's not coming back. He took his ball and went home because someone disagreed with him.
Yes, because nobody white was born in SA after apartheid or were too young to do anything. Not saying racism to white people is to the same extent but ignoring it is stupid, just like any other sort of discrimination.
What's your point?
You think all people labelled black are the same or all people labelled latino by you americans or asians or something?
Atraveller
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Being proud of something you did not achieve yourself is stupid in my opinion.
In my freshman year (and only year) of High School, my English teacher was sexist as well.
I remember him saying something to the effect that a woman can't be pretty and smart.
I told my mom and she reported him.
Then later he got fired for sleeping with one of his female students, who was my cousin.
They should have fired him earlier than they did. Oh well, karma. Shit school.
Pride movements aren't so much "I'm happy that I'm black/mexican/native/gay and of all the things we've done are cool" They're more "I'm black/mexican/native/gay and that's OK. I'm just as good as anyone so fuck off with your systematic attempts to ruin my life."
In the western world white people have almost always been the measure of what's acceptable. By highlighting contributions and achievements minorities have made they get a chance to appear OK rather than as shiftless bums, untrustworthy worker or deviants as they've been portrayed as for centuries.
Edit: And look at the role of racism or sexism in communication is a basic cornerstone of half the popular communications theories out there. Theories like Kramarae's muted group theory are a huge part of the communication world. The theories that deal with mass communication also incorporate race and class into them since those two things, along with gender, affect how everyone communicates.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Don't know how I missed that.. but seems relative to the course, at least in a historical context..
Devolution
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Is it really necessary to bring up an instance of complicated racial strife in South Africa due to Apartheid when it's an intro to Mass Communications Class in Minnesota and the likely subject was the basic racial lens in our country? What's the relevance other than "this is the one instance of white people being oppressed that I can think of"?
When you have ressources that your fathers stole to help you get a leg up in life, you don't get to complain because people who should have the ressources in the 1rst place don't like the color of the Bentley you bought with the money that should have been theirs.
happens to the best of us.
Considering the subject it's actually rather weird to even complain about that.
My guess would be that they 've got a bone to pick with her to begin with.
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