Reggie confirmed for Spike VGX appearance [Up: "new look at an upcoming Wii U game"]
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Man, did they just fill a room with the most miserable people in the planet or something. Not even a tiny smirk when Mario dresses up as a cat? Sad.
Exactly.
People who bring up the whole DONKEY KANG ISN'T RIGHT FOR THIS AUDIENCE YO. Fail to notice that neither is ANYTHING else Nintendo has (outside of Zelda and Bayonetta). I Wish games like X was what was hot in the streets but it's not. As as much as GAF loves Metroid, lets be real the series is pretty niche at this point. Hell you had people before saying that a Smash Trailer would be meh.
So basically unless it was Zelda, this was doomed to be a bust for some. And unless it was a new IP or Metroid, it would be a let down for many....so basically there was always a like 85% chance of butthurt.
Plus never believe Geoff and Reggie's lies man. We all should know better at this point.
I get it that people want Nintendo to turn things around and stuff but you have to be realistic. They aren't going to pull these mythical games out of their ass and if they could, they wouldn't do so at the VGX FFS.
Look at it this, way the time to get this angry will be if whenever the mythical earlly Nintendo Direct shows up and all the games are FUCKING Insert Game here, then get pissed. Getting angry at Nintendo not dropping a bomb at the VGX is silly unless you do the same for all the other companies not dropping bombs.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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No such thing!!!
ShockingAlberto
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It probably went
Geoff: Hey, Reggie, we want to do a video at NOA about upcoming games.
Reggie: Sounds good, I love free advertising!
Geoff: Also, if you want, we have an open spot at the VGX (and you are literally the last person we asked) if you want to save something for that.
Reggie: Well Zelda and Mario will already be out then, but maybe we can figure something out.
People apparently think it went like this
Iwata: REGGIE-CHAN WE HAVE AMAZING BOMBS TO DROP
Reggie: IS IT TIME TO HIT THE NUCLEAR OPTION IWATA-DONNO
Iwata: IT IS, CONTACT KEIGHLY-KUN IMMEDIATELY, WE MUST INFORM FANS OF CALL OF DUTY OF THE NEW ZELDA X METROID FPS
Reggie: FINALLY
the caps mean urgency
serously? That's even worse than just a new trailer for X or Bayonetta 2...
True to some extent but if Nintendo showed off something that appeals to a crowd like that then I don't think it would be much of an issue, no? To say that nothing they could show would garner some interest is pretty hyperbolic.
To me the biggest issue would be the game appeals to the same audience as NSMBU and SM3DW so the people hyped for this likely already own a Wii U.
Since this is broadcast to an audience Nintendo isn't doing so well with, picking something more targeted at them would make sense.
I wouldn't say they need to show a new game...but they should either show something new from your biggest titles (Smash Bros or Mario Kart)..or something that will appeal to the core gamer who owns other platforms(Bayonetta 2 or X).
Zelda would be perfect but it's unlikely....DK would be about the dullest thing they could show (well..outside of already released games).
fredrancour
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I would die of laughter. ahaha.
Yeah. But I could easily imagine Nintendo getting frustrated and cynical when trying to brainstorm what games could seem badass enough to overcome their image and just saying, "screw it, play it safe first.."
I haven't cracked open my lovely black friday copy of NSMBU yet so I'm gonna refrain from making any game-specific comments about it.
Sell much less? Based on the sales of one game on a 100 million seller platform? Well, we'll see if DKC:TF on WiiU will be able to sell Metroid Prime 1 amounts, or Jungle Beat amounts. But you seem to be convinced that the folks that made the wonderful Jungle Beat, made a stale and run-of-the-mill platformer there. It showed one thing: small userbase + great Donkey Kong = small sales. It did nothing to increase installed user base for GCN. So we'll see how this goes.
We're customers - potential Nintendo customers. Nintendo are supposed to impress and excite us. If they can't do that then they're at fault, not us. And fuck being thankful to a profit-driven multinational corporation.
TheSpaceBetween
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Who knows. We do know the three lead designers on DKCR left though... That might have had more to do with working on Mario Kart though.
ElectricBlanketFire
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I'd say a large portion of the strife is from huge Nintendo fans like myself.
pretty done
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Not so bold prediction: that game would sell nine copies on Wii U
Still, technically we know a Zelda is coming for Wii U... so technically it IS upcoming.
... Technically.
This. People seem to think it's automatically more enjoyable for a developer to make some big budget spectacular shooter (for example) over an inventive platforming game. This sort of game actually requires enormous creativity and skill to design.
I know you've said this before but I 100% agree with you. It would be much wiser to go with something that would have some sort of appeal to that crowd. Bayonetta 2 would be nice.
DICKS AHOY
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i too am pissed that retro made a sequel to one of nintendo's best games of the last decade instead of startropics u
MisterHero
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It's probably Reggie's most anticipated thing, since Mac's inclusion opens the door for Reggie- I mean the Sandman
Man, couldn't they just ignore VGX as always and announce a Christmas ND instead? :lol
As a German, I'm used to using the semi-colon differently, but I'll try to improve this in the future then
As a German, I'm used to using the semi-colon differently, but I'll try to improve this in the future then
TheGreatMightyPoo
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It's the whining that is annoying.
It's everywhere.
We get a sequel(that's the 2nd game only) for a very well received game by a very good developer(Donkey Kong/Retro) and people lash out at it like it's betrayal.
The list goes on...
It's not what the people want, it's how they express it.
megabytecr
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Yes, I was one that was disappointed with Retro's reveal, but after that I was glad we got that type of game.
But at the VGX I expect Smash, Bayo2 or X, either one of those or several. If it is Cranky Kong......
TheSpaceBetween
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And that's why this thread is so sad. DK will probably be one of the best games of 2014.
ShockingAlberto
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Nintendo has already shown a willingness to shrink when they feel their free media day will be encroached upon by other competition. This is the very definition of that. This is a day when an audience that already dislikes them is watching for games like Skyrim and Assassin's Creed and is just as likely to roll their eyes at yet another Zelda as they are to think it's cool. These are not people waiting for the excuse to buy a Wii U, they are at best waiting for a reason to play their friend's Wii U and then mock him for a bad purchasing decision.
In the last two years, Nintendo has clearly chosen a path of contained events where they have all the control and aren't in direct competition with anyone else. The last Zelda game got revealed at the end of a livestream, but the press had already played it and written up their impressions by the time the stream was done. Whatever they revealed here would not be of interest to people eager to write about, and see more of, games like Quantum Break and Tomb Raider 2. Their biggest fish would be leaping from its small pond to a way larger one.
People suggesting X or Bayonetta 2 would arouse viewers' interest in the Wii U are delusional. They'll probably be great games, but they might as well show blank footage instead of a trailer during the VGX for all the difference it would make.
ShockingAlberto
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No, I wouldn't criticize Nibel's grammar. I was actually saying you should not read the Smash thread. It is where brains go to die.Man, couldn't they just ignore VGX as always and announce a Christmas ND instead? :lol
As a German, I'm used to using the semi-colon differently, but I'll try to improve this in the future then
I guarantee you that if Nintendo goes under, in 50 years time all of their die hard fans will be telling their grandkids how it was Retro DK which finally did it.
I'm not entirely disagreeing with you but its not like 100% of the people watching this are hardcore dudebro gamers that hang out on online forums and hate everything about Nintendo.
Oh please.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Consumers vote with their wallet for a product that they either need or want... that's the only naturalkind of loyalty. Loyalty to a particular company is a manufactured sentitment, that's why companies invest millions in 'loyalty programs' - they need a program to manufacture and maintain said loyalty (mostly for remarketing purposes, but it's cool because you're opting in to giving them your data - all in the name of your love for a company with a fictitious identity. not a product that satisfies a need).
The drawback of manufacturing loyalty... is that it DOES breed a false sense of entitlement. You don't like a companies announcements, so you demand their CEO step down? Think about that for a second. You aren't an investor, you're a consumer. So, you vote with your wallet with products you do want. No one owes each other anything more than that. Gaming is entertainment, not the energy industry haha.
But anyway, I'm the wrong guy to have this discussion with.
I just wanted to get a better understanding of the directional mentality of the thread, because I first read that as, 'cool! Nintendo is finally playing ball' - I want to see their stuff everywhere, and think this is a good extension. There are things that I *want* vs things I would be *disinterested* about, but I aint gonna get mad about someone's marketing plans haha.
Nirolak
Now that's a rational statement I can get behind.
ShockingAlberto
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Those 20% that aren't wouldn't care if a game was revealed at VGX or in April.
Yep, there is being let down and disappointed and then there is acting like they just killed your dog.
I get being let down or even mad that Retro is making a sequel to a game you don't like or whatever, I also get being let down with Nintendo's bad decisions but at some point you need to stop taking it so seriously.
It might as well be. This is an audience that largely wouldn't miss them if they weren't in attendance this year.
He'll, some probably don't even know they're there this year.
Fair enough. I take your point.
I was actually surprised at the negative reaction to the new DK as DKCR seemed universally liked. I imagine people are getting a bit fatigued by platformers. It's as though because no other companies make platformers any more, Nintendo feel the need to make a constant stream of them.
I hope you realize that comparing GameCube numbers to Wii U makes just as little sense as comparing Wii numbers to Wii U, unless we are supposed to draw up numbers for Mario compared to on the Gamecube and conclude that it too was a waste of resources.
I agree. I'm inclined to think they would reserve DKC stuff for a Nintendo Direct. I certainly don't see it being a game worth a specifically different audience than they usually get from their Nintendo Directs, anyhow.
It's also not going to be anything groundbreaking....because it's only Reggie.
CoffeeGames
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NOA's higher ups have been completely clueless with the Wii U and marketing it. Even with the Wii and speaking to the "core" Mr. Fils-Aime seemed to not understand the audience. Do we not remember Animal Crossing was the "core" game for us for the holidays a few years back according to Mr. Fils-Aime?
But, while I hope this isn't about DKC:TF, I will say that I think this game has serious potential to be the best looking 2D-ish platformer on the Wii U for the entire time the console is out (however short, or long that may be).
I played Donkey Kong Country Returns again a few months back, and it looks excellent for a Wii title with some very good details in the environments.
evilromero
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Wii U needs variety from Nintendo's internal studios because third parties simply won't be there next fall.
ShockingAlberto
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Honestly, if it is DKCTF, it would be pretty disappointing (because that game isn't coming out for a while) and pretty good progress for Nintendo (because that game isn't coming out for a while).
I am disinterested in the content, since I feel like I already know everything I need to about that game, anyway, and still think it's good for them that they're finally trying to advertise a game months before release like everyone else in the industry.
I am disinterested in the content, since I feel like I already know everything I need to about that game, anyway, and still think it's good for them that they're finally trying to advertise a game months before release like everyone else in the industry.
I don't believe some of what you said is true. It's just stereotyping the VGX viewer.
It's true that the so called competition will have games that interest the crowd more, but Nintendo is known for their uniqueness and if they can apply that to a game that would have some appeal to this crowd then they can compete. I believe X and Bayonetta 2 are just that. They're definitely not for the same crowd that Nintendo is targeting with Mario, DKC or Mario Kart games. If that's the case and what you said is true then there is no point in showing up to this event to begin with, but I don't agree with all of what you said. I believe that can utilize this event to their advantage. I don't think they will but it's possible.
As I said I don't completely disagree; I just see it as decent press on TV for the people that could possibly be tempted.
TheSpaceBetween
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Maybe, but they have a better chance than things Nintendo haters already hate like DK, Mario Kart, and Smash.
ShockingAlberto
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Yeah, if anything, Bayonetta 2 proved that Nintendo haters will happily shut up and just accept that a game they want to play is on a system they had no intention to buy.
DICKS AHOY
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i don't see you recommending any better outlets for nintendo crossover fan-fiction
Also for as much as I love DKC and think the hate for Retro doing a direct sequel to DKCR is way overblown in the context of the game itself, it's a total mismatch of audiences if they really are just showing off Cranky at the VGX awards and calling it a day. It could go either way, but Nintendo's marketing for the past couple years has been fairly awful so I wouldn't put it past them to miss the point yet again. Smash and arguably X/Bayonetta 2 would be far more appropriate.
That seems more due to the idea of 'X stole our games!' than it specifically being on the Wii U, unless I'm forgetting when the Bayo 2 announcement was and it was instead made well after it was obvious the console was a bust. No doubt there's console warrior fanboyism fueling some of the controversy, but I think it's also just once multi-platform games going exclusive tends to piss off people in general.
Not American so I don't have much of a clue about the audience, but would Spike TV's viewers even really be up to speed about that sort of thing or even care if the game looked cool? Assuming it's mainstream enough it could be just as likely a good portion of the audience doesn't even really know the Wii U exists.
So we become the Cranky Kong?
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