I see your point, but I do think Zelda still is pretty viable in North America for a percentage of gamers who will be watching. It isn't COD, but I think it has a lot more potential than another 2D platformer.
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I see your point, but I do think Zelda still is pretty viable in North America for a percentage of gamers who will be watching. It isn't COD, but I think it has a lot more potential than another 2D platformer.
SpecialAgentZ
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It will be FUCKING Steel Diver
TheGreatMightyPoo
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What if it's a new Mario Kart 8 trailer where a new course is shown and you race on Bayonetta's body???
That's part of the reason I do hope it's Bayo 2.
I want more meltdowns from idiots over it.
That's why I believe they're going to show Bayonetta 2. It will turn some heads. They won't have any way of playing the game except on the Wii U.
evilromero
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Seems like it only makes sense if people are justifying the existence of Tropical Freeze. In other words, "DKCR sold over four million on the Wii so it makes sense to release that on Wii U," as opposed to, "you can't compare the Wii U to the GCN due to sales differences." Why is one better than the other? Truth is, Nintendo needs Metroid from Retro for more reasons than just sales potential.
Always-honest
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I think Donkey Kong.
TheSpaceBetween
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Oh yes, because every Nintendo hater is a member of GAF who owned and loved the first Bayonetta.
ShockingAlberto
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evilromero
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Something that's not 2D honestly.
Conrad Link
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Its gonna be DK, we can wish for something else special but prepare to be disappointed.
As far as Retro go, I loved DKCR I finished it 100% and thought it was amazing... but initially when it was revealed they were just working on the sequel I was disappointed. Yes TF will probably be amazing again but I don't think it was a game Nintendo needs right now.
Maybe the pressure of a 'big HD' new title or whatever people expected from Retro was too much for them and they decided to go an easier option for now. Maybe they're not as big a deal studio talent and capability wise right now as we imagine?
Either way Nintendo and these award things really don't seem like a good fit. I dunno why, just seems like Reggie will be there going "Hey everyone how is the night going?? Pretty cool aye! Well none of those games are coming to our system but here is a new trailer for DK!"
As far as Retro go, I loved DKCR I finished it 100% and thought it was amazing... but initially when it was revealed they were just working on the sequel I was disappointed. Yes TF will probably be amazing again but I don't think it was a game Nintendo needs right now.
Maybe the pressure of a 'big HD' new title or whatever people expected from Retro was too much for them and they decided to go an easier option for now. Maybe they're not as big a deal studio talent and capability wise right now as we imagine?
Either way Nintendo and these award things really don't seem like a good fit. I dunno why, just seems like Reggie will be there going "Hey everyone how is the night going?? Pretty cool aye! Well none of those games are coming to our system but here is a new trailer for DK!"
DICKS AHOY
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well there goes smash as well
Something that we haven't seen much of, I think we've seen quite a bit of DKCTF, but it doesn't matter to most of the VGX audience.
Bayonetta did bomb pretty hard but it's an action game in the same class as DMC and God of War. I don't remember a single advert for Bayonetta. If I still bought games based off the cover like most people still do then I probably would have skipped Bayonetta as well. There was almost no advertising for the game. That's why I believe exposing a game like Bayonetta 2 or X would be great. At least give them some exposure and room to breathe.
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But there is a point in them showing up. Free advertising is still advertising. It's probably more wise for them to go with something other than DKC to be quite frank.
evilromero
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I'd say Smash is the exception, it's a game still appeals to a core gamer audience.
Pretty sure Donkey Kong uses polygons.
Well then maybe the "core gamer audience" should a) get better taste. b) stop changing their taste every two seconds. Seriously when did Donkey Kong stop being a core game? When Returns was first shown people were whooping and clapping their hands.
Yeah, EAD Tokyo should have handed Galaxy 2 off to Media Molecule while they were at it.
Yeah Amazon took the wind out of the sails for sure.
And by realistic I mean things that aren't POKEMON MMO level crazyness
NSMB Wii was a runaway hit and sold much better than DKC on the Wii. It's effect on WiiU sales, while being a better game than the Wii version, has been rather marginal. Yet you will surely agree with me, that both games cater to the same target audience. Looking back at Gamecube sales, and those of an other excellent Donkey Kong platformer as well as Metroid Prime, we see that on a smaller userbase, void of the more casual gamer, it was not a success for Donkey Kong. So saying no other studio could do a great, fresh DK game is false, as proven by Jungle Beat. Saying it was the right decision because DK would sell more than a more "core-oriented" game on WiiU remains to be seen. I again refer to NSMBU, on Wii U and Metroid Prime & Jungle Beat on Gamecube. I think WiiU is more in the position GCN was in, than that of Wii. It is a fact though, that Nintendo does not have a plethora of studio's that can handle a game like Metroid Prime (not Metroid Prime per se) other than Retro, and that the genre is lacking on the platform. Otherwise, it is a fact that Nintendo does have other studio's that could handle a follow up Donkey Kong game.
TheSpaceBetween
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Bayonetta 2 WILL bomb pretty hard unless Nintendo advertises the fuck out of it, and even then it still mite. Playing TW101 you can tell that it was certainly not an inexpensive game to make, and Nintendo was beyond stupid to not even try to advertise it on TV. I hope that they will not make the same mistake with Bayonetta 2.
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DICKS AHOY
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MM's trademark floaty physics would've been more home in a space-setting anyhow.
I don't disagree with you. I was predicting a bomb the moment they announced it exclusively for the Wii U, but I hope it does relatively well. I think they spent a shitload of money on it compared to W101 so I think it would be problematic for them if it does bomb. That's why I feel they need to advertise it in such outlets as the VGX. Directs won't cut it since mainly the core Nintendo fan follows directs.
Look, at this point, it's pretty obvious that no amount of software will save the U. People just flat out don't want the console. It could end up with the best exclusives library of all three and it will still come in last. Nintendo should just show support for those that have bought in with the titles that are yet to come from here on out and regroup to approach the mass market again in the next generation. Approaching each new title or reveal with the mindset of "Can this singlehandedly turn the console around?!?" is just not realistic, regardless of what Nintendo brings to the table.
Bayo 2 will bomb hard even if Nintendo brings out the biggest marketing blitz of all time. It's a hardcore action title on a dead console with a female lead.
Bayo 2 will bomb hard even if Nintendo brings out the biggest marketing blitz of all time. It's a hardcore action title on a dead console with a female lead.
If it is you'd realize by now 85% of that thread isn't even related to smash discussion.
Almost any up coming WiiU game, we already seen a lot of DK and it was suppose to be out this week.
I mean its the only 1st party WiiU game with a release date for next year and its freaking Dec already. Nintendo needs to get on the ball and give out some info on their upcoming games, Black Friday is over your big Holiday game is out, time to talk about next years games.
Holy shit. I spit out my water haha
DICKS AHOY
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That's not a remotely new Nintendo IP though.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Fake Kaz is way funnier :[
I'm personally not sure what to expect, but I'm curious if you could elaborate on this line. Are you inferring this based on Nintendo's absence at other high-profile, non-E3 events like Spike's awards in past years? Or has Nintendo actually indicated their absence at those venues was due to them wishing to avoid anything that would draw attention away from their own products?
As for what I think -should- happen, I think that even if Spike's audience is full of "Nintendo haters" (which I don't think is entirely true), new trailers for Smash and Mario Kart would help drive momentum this holiday season. Anyone who is the least bit tempted to pull the trigger on WiiU, amid all the positive press and word-of-mouth for 3D World, might do so quicker if they see two of Nintendo's most popular franchises in fine form. Even if they're expected at this point. Sometimes you have to work with what you have, and the holidays make people do funny things.
An optimistic outlook, I guess, but I keep thinking back to how popular Smash and Mario Kart were in my college dorm days, and how that crowd probably counts for a good chunk of Spike's viewership.
efyu_lemonardo
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This post deserves more recognition. I can't think of a better way to have something for everyone in a single level.
That 1-2 punch lol.
TheSpaceBetween
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I know, I was just expanding on your comment and was in agreement with you to begin with. It's Shocking Alberto who believes it pointless to show off Bayo and X there.
RurouniZel
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This is basically what it is, I'd imagine. The former, not the latter obviously.
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ShockingAlberto
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Pointless may be too strong a word.
Any net gain would be marginal vs. doing their own thing later.
But it's basically free advertising so it doesn't hurt them showing off Bayo 2.
Seems like they're struggling to fit anywhere.
Conrad Link
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My feelings are someone like Monster Games could have handled a DKCR sequel if Nintendo felt it was something we really needed, maybe with a little help while Retro's full efforts were utilised elsewhere.
But like I've said maybe Retro just aren't the big bad super-studio we imagine them to be and our hype sorta over-estimated things as usual?
Their 'mythical' Wii U game was hyped up because they had been quiet for awhile. "Oh they must be working on something badass because its so secret.... oh nvm its DK again."
But like I've said maybe Retro just aren't the big bad super-studio we imagine them to be and our hype sorta over-estimated things as usual?
Their 'mythical' Wii U game was hyped up because they had been quiet for awhile. "Oh they must be working on something badass because its so secret.... oh nvm its DK again."
TheSpaceBetween
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Oh whatdaya know, another Wii U doom post. C'mon people, it's been one year. It does not look good, I won't argue that, but give Nintendo at least another year to turn it around.
ShockingAlberto
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It is a combination of Nintendo not showing up at events that everyone else is at, a focus on Nintendo Directs and their own media days as opposed to other big things, and the fact that Iwata has directly said they don't really see the need to spend millions to fight for the spotlight at events.
Would still be better than doing nothing, though.
ShockingAlberto
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Okay, let me put it this way.
Bayonetta 2 had new, incredibly impressive content at E3.
How much did you read about it in comparison to everything else? Or anything else on next-gen systems?
Bayonetta 2 had new, incredibly impressive content at E3.
How much did you read about it in comparison to everything else? Or anything else on next-gen systems?
"Doing their own thing," in Nintendo's case, would probably be a Direct + media summit. Which is preaching to the choir. They need to put interesting-looking things in front of an audience of non-Nintendo people. It may not translate to direct sales but it will increase awareness that these things exist. And really, when you think about some of the new IPs that have been unveiled in formats similar to this, they're not too far removed in style or quirkiness from X or Bayonetta. They're more "Western," by and large, but the point is people may be more receptive to shiny new things than we give them credit for. Heck, if they were particularly artful they would roll out the trailers and conceal the fact it's for WiiU until the very end. Maybe a person or two in the audience would think, "What's a WiiU!"
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