OG Xbox, one of the most innovative consoles created so what happened?

Nothing has captured the gaming magic like the OG Xbox did for me.

That dark, glowing opening menu with its synthetic, glitchy sounds.

Games like Halo: CE, Halo 2, Rallisport, Amped, Blinx, Splinter Cell, Mid-Town Madness, Project Gotham, Jet Set Radio Future, MotoGP, Unreal Championship, Metal Arms.

Original Xbox, never forget
 
OG Xbox was one of the best mo fuckaz around. Got way more enjoyment out of it over than 239872034234 throwaway games on the PS2.

Mech Assault.
Whacked!
Cel Damage
Halo CE/2
XBL
Ghost Recon
Rainbow 6
The list goes on..
 
What? How?

Well the last 10 consoles released were:

PS1
Saturn
Gamecube,
Dreamcast
PS2
xbox
xbox 360
Wii
Wii U
Xbox one
PS4

so that's actually 11 consoles. The only other console which makes a good argument for most innovative/influential in the industry is Wii, with it's motion control. And while motion control was amazingly fun, I just can't overlook what Live did to console gaming.

Although Dreamcast did it first, like Nintendo with Waggle, Microsoft made it completely compelling and took it to a higher level. That's why for me OG Xbox was the most innovative console.

And yes the games they released back then were just to appeal to the hardcore crowd, hell the entire system was, from the way it looked, started up, all of it, but man was it wonderful.
 
The Xbox and 360 were such great consoles, right up until Kinect's release. Ever since then, I've barely used my 360, and I don't plan on getting an X1 anytime soon (late 2015 at the earliest, probably sometime 2016). Sad, but they really ran into the ground. XBL is a rip-off, exclusive support has been a joke, and from what I can see, they seem to be heading down the same path. I'll get Titanfall on PC, so the only game outside the Forza/Halo/Fable cycle that I'm actually interested in is Quantum Break. Then they go and make a weaker console that's more expensive with what amounts to a glorified mic?

Yea, disappointing to say the least. Hopefully MS turns things around but at least at the moment, they've lost me as a customer.
 
J Allard and Ed Fries left.

Allard was a huge driver of hardware features, and Fries was pretty aggressive about building software/games for the platform.

Under Fries they build titles like Age of Empires, Crimson Skies, Fable, Freelancer, Halo, Midtown Madness, Motocross Madness, Rallisport Challenge, Starlancer, Zoo Tycoon as well as signing games like Psychonauts and Gears of War.
 
I never really wanted one, GCN and PS2 were more than enough for me. Its rather PC-ish approach didn't really catch my attention, but I can see why others liked it. It also started the trend of huuuuge consoles :(
 
It's so weird that J Allard gets received so well nowadays. I mostly remember "hardcore" folks hating on him (and that time period of the 360) for Velocity Girl, lol hoodie, MS Points/Allards, no hard drive wtf, RROD, etc.

Did the dreadlock wig change people's minds or something?

GAF cyclical backlash
 
For people that valued on-the-couch MP as much as I did - XBL was the worst thing to happen to gaming. It was a necessary innovation but it came with cons in terms of cultural shifts that I could honestly do without.
 
For people that valued on-the-couch MP as much as I did - XBL was the worst thing to happen to gaming. It was a necessary innovation but it came with cons in terms of cultural shifts that I could honestly do without.

Lucky for you Nintendo never adopted these strategies.
..but are now suffering for it.
Because who the hell would be evil enough to deny people the option to play Mario 3D World co-op online if they don't have as easy access/availability to friends in person?
 
Well the last 10 consoles released were:

PS1
Saturn
Gamecube,
Dreamcast
PS2
xbox
xbox 360
Wii
Wii U
Xbox one
PS4

Somewhere, the Nintendo 64 wonders why it was left out of that list, seeing as it released after both the PS1 and Saturn.
(Not saying I think it would be the answer to this question, but nonetheless).

I guess I just don't see "XBox Live" as being all that innovative. I mean, as you've admitted, online play is nothing that hadn't been done before in varying forms for years (not only Dreamcast, but the XBand, and various other things), and had been done on PCs for years (I mean, when I had been playing online games on a daily basis for like 5 years before the XBox came out, it didn't seem all that new), and various other sort of connected things like the Satellaview and such as well...

It basically just seemed like an evolution of things that had been going on for years, and was very obvious. Not anything "innovative"
 
Lucky for you Nintendo never adopted these strategies.
..but are now suffering for it.
Because who the hell would be evil enough to deny people the option to play Mario 3D World co-op online if they don't have as easy access/availability to friends in person?

Like I implied: it's a catch-22. I think part of the reason people can't get friends together as easily as before is because online has made playing MP much more easier, comparatively. It's devalued on-the-couch MP as a whole and isn't worth the effort.

I remember the day XBL launched was the day my weekly Halo CE gatherings met their maker. Everyone would rather play a game they admitted was inferior, or even awful, just because it was online. It was heartbreaking.
 
It seems like every division of Microsoft decided to take a piss with Xbox One. We have that failed and hated Windows 8 system? No worries, let's just push it with our new gaming system and call it a day! We have that huge black hole for profits called Bing, let's just make it only way to search for content on our new gaming system! Xbox Music, Video, Skype all did the same. You know the saying? Too many cooks spoil the broth. The only division, which ironically doing very well, not involved with Xbox One mess is Office, but I won't be surprised if we see Office 365 for Xbox in the future.
 
Xbox One has more potential than 360 did for its time? You can't be serious. For starters, 360 wasn't utilizing underpowered hardware.

So you actually believe that potential and innovation comes squarely down to the hardware specs? That's so incredibly shortsighted. Specs are important, very important, but they are just one part of the larger equation on consoles today. The Xbox 360 brought serious improvements to Xbox Live and introduced things like achievements that have greatly impacted the industry as it now stands. The Xbox One, I honestly feel, purely on the basis of introducing free dedicated servers to all developers, has the potential to crush all of that. This move, to me, not just seems like a bigger deal than Xbox Live itself, it seems to me like it's going to finally complete with Xbox Live what Microsoft started on the original Xbox, and then supercharged on the Xbox 360.

And, really, a single look at Ryse: Son of Rome at launch tells you that the Xbox One hardware is by no means as underpowered as people would like to think. How does underpowered hardware create the most impressive looking game on either console at launch? I take underpowered to mean a system that will be incapable of blowing us away as a next gen system should. It is capable, it did it at launch, and it will do so numerous times this generation. Do people somehow think the Xbox One is in the same class as the Wii-U or something? While it may not be the most powerful next gen system, it undoubtedly passes the test.

And let's not pretend now like the Xbox 360 was universally praised as this monster, all powerful console at the time of release, or something that was widely viewed as better than the PS3, because that certainly was not the case. Hell, it isn't even the case now. The Xbox 360 was seen as not having blu ray, but instead sticking to a last generation format such as DVD. The Xbox 360 was viewed as not being able to go the distance with the cell processor. Both things I just mentioned made people feel that the Xbox 360 would end up holding back the PS3. The Xbox 360 was also widely criticized for not including a built in hard drive in every unit. yet another thing people felt may hold back the PS3. This is from reading GAF. I haven't posted here for very long, but I've read many threads on both systems. In fact, I first started reading this site before the release of the 360. The Xbox 360, power wise, had to earn the respect it got, because it certainly wasn't easily given the benefit of the doubt. And it largely wasn't always necessarily because it was that much more powerful than the PS3, but because it got a year headstart on its competition and was simpler to develop for. The Xbox 360 benefitted from far more important things than just what was in the box. That headstart didn't just give developers valuable time to get use to and learn the system before the other two consoles were even on the market, it also gave the Xbox 360 time to build up a userbase that couldn't be so easily ignored, and also eventually led to the Xbox 360 getting equal treatment on major franchises that were once PlayStation exclusive. The price of the PS3 also played a not so insignificant part as well.

The Xbox One hardware is plenty sufficient for the kinds of next gen games we expect, and this has already been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt on day one. However, the Xbox One's potential as a system goes well beyond that as compared to the 360 or original Xbox. Kinect from day one on all systems matters, even if the use is subtle or even non-existent at times in games. The fact that everybody has one actually makes it worth a developer's effort if they take the time to do something interesting with it. The integration with the system makes the Xbox One a better console. The multi-tasking features of the system and the way it works with your television set top box is something that really matters a lot more than people realize. Just because it's a games console doesn't mean it can't also help entertain in other ways also while complimenting the other devices in your home. Anything that makes the Xbox One capable of doing things well beyond what was possible or even practical on the Xbox 360 is something that is an added value for the system, not an anchor. The Xbox One won't have any trouble being as good a gaming system or better than the 360 was because the Xbox One is still now benefitting from all the developer goodwill garnered by the Xbox 360. Even Kingdom Hearts and what was once named Final Fantasy versus 13 is coming to the Xbox One. The same also goes for the metal gear franchise. So, the Xbox One, as a gaming system, will be perfectly fine and actually has quite a bit less working against it than was the case for the huge uphill climb the Xbox 360 had to make.

When people say the Xbox 360 has more potential as a gaming machine than the Xbox One does, what does that even mean exactly? The Xbox One can do everything that the Xbox 360 could ever do, but better and faster, and it can also do things that the Xbox 360 could never dream of doing. But the Xbox One also brings with it a more feature rich system with a better, stronger xbox live (with the promise of many more games with dedicated servers) and many more possibilities, gaming as well as entertainment wise. Although there are some steps back in the entertainment area, so hopefully the Xbox One will eventually match or exceed the video streaming capabilities of the Xbox 360. That's the most impactful change from the 360 for me All other details, such as refinements that need to be made to the system as a whole (I'm guessing party chat is among them) will be made.

So while some people seem to prefer more that Microsoft had narrowed the scope of the Xbox One, I think I prefer a Microsoft that seems more ambitious and takes more of a risk. Their focus is on the entire experience, not just any one area. The games and other content (introducing various new ip in the process), the services and the features of the system, and better and closer integration with existing Microsoft products and services outside of more traditional xbox specific offerings. This is infinitely more exciting, innovative, and is definitely packing more overall potential than just a more powerful Xbox 360. No way in hell I trade away everything that the Xbox One currently is, and that it has the potential to be with the current list of features, just for a more powerful GPU.

Okay, all games 1080p, but you lose HDMI-in tv functionality, the one guide, Kinect and all associated system integrated features, even for things like game video uploads where you maybe decide you want to include yourself via picture in picture or something. Then, on another note (and this may not matter to some people), I'm hearing amazing things lately about the Xbox One fitness app from family and friends that now have an Xbox One or picked one up at launch, and they genuinely make it sound like one of the least talked about gems on the system. Everybody has their own view, but I wouldn't cast all this aside for a stronger GPU. Would I have liked a stronger GPU anyway, and for the same price with all the same features? Sure, fantastic, but that's not realistic.
 
Like I implied: it's a catch-22. I think part of the reason people can't get friends together as easily as before is because online has made playing MP much more easier, comparatively. It's devalued on-the-couch MP as a whole and isn't worth the effort.

But what about my friends I've met over the years who live all over the world?

I remember the day XBL launched was the day my weekly Halo CE gatherings met their maker. Everyone would rather play a game they admitted was inferior, or even awful, just because it was online. It was heartbreaking.

This statement is so damn true and it's a shame we're in the minority with those beliefs. CE never had the exposure of Halo 2, the game that began the downfall of the Halo franchise in terms of core gameplay mechanics.
 
But what about my friends I've met over the years who live all over the world?

*sigh*

As I've implied repeatedly: there's pros AND cons to the advent of online console gaming. Personally, I'm conservative on this issue.



This statement is so damn true and it's a shame we're in the minority with those beliefs. CE never had the exposure of Halo 2, the game that began the downfall of the Halo franchise in terms of core gameplay mechanics.


Just to be clear: I was referring to Unreal Tournament Live, specifically. But, yeah, I thought H2 was terrible and the franchise hasn't been the same since for me. A-fucking-men.


*edit*

In fact, Halo CE ruined the FPS genre for me. Its design set the standard for me and I haven't been able to enjoy another game since.
 
There definitely seems like a shift has occured. OG Xbox had a ton of superb games with Xbox Live at the time revolutionary and you can tell the console was designed for gamers.

Xbox 360 continued and you can tell it was being designed for gamers with the ability to change your face plates, party chat, achievements, and Xbox Live Arcade were totally for gamers, especially XBLA used to be amazing.

Xbox One lacks a gamer emphasis in its console totally. I still cannot even believe they removed the Xbox Live Arcade and made it harder for indies....
 
There definitely seems like a shift has occured. OG Xbox had a ton of superb games with Xbox Live at the time revolutionary and you can tell the console was designed for gamers.

Xbox 360 continued and you can tell it was being designed for gamers with the ability to change your face plates, party chat, achievements, and Xbox Live Arcade were totally for gamers, especially XBLA used to be amazing.

Xbox One lacks a gamer emphasis in its console totally. I still cannot even believe they removed the Xbox Live Arcade and made it harder for indies....

J.Allard left. He was why the OG and 360 were so gamer focused. Well him, Bach and Moore...
 
When you're new, you put out your best foot in order to build up a userbase.

When you're established, you screw your userbase over as hard as you can until they smarten up and drop you.

Repeat.

The funny thing is this applies to just more then the gaming industry.
 
It was a PC in a console-box.

It came at just the right time though as it brought programmable shaders which was rolling into the PC scene at the same time. Unified memory was also great.
 
I don't get what's happened?

Both consoles are taking a different view of approach and with the recent sales number, with a higher price point and 100k less if anything, you should be evaluating why it's so looked out for.

2014 & 2015 are going to be insane years for gamers on every platform.
 
For people that valued on-the-couch MP as much as I did - XBL was the worst thing to happen to gaming. It was a necessary innovation but it came with cons in terms of cultural shifts that I could honestly do without.

if by this you mean, NO ONE can be arse to set up lan partys with beer and junk food, then agreed.

For that i hate you xbox live :'( for everything else you were amazing.
 
Oh the last 10 consoles released an argument can be made that the original Xbox was the most important and most innovative.

During that era Microsoft was firing on all cylinders with games like Crazy Taxi, Sonic Adventure, Shemue 2, gunvalkyrie, Panzer Dragoon, Mech Assualt, Crimson Skies just to name a few. But also brought us Live which changed console gaming forever. No longer was online gaming the home of pc players or Limited Dreamcast owners, now Everyone could connect and game against each other.

I still remember late night sessions against folks in Moto GP. Oroject Gotham Racing, and Mech Assualt as beung some of the most fun I had in gaming.

So, what happened to them? What changed in Ms so much that they seem nothing like THAT MS that built and managed the original Xbox?

Most of the games listed above, Crazy Taxi, Sonic Adventure, Shenmue 2 were actually Dreamcast games (Shenmue 2 never was released on Dreamcast in the US, but the rest of the world got it.) Regardless, I still agree that the Xbox was innovative for having a dedicated hard drive and Xbox Live.

Anyway... what happened to Xbox, and frankly, anything at Microsoft?

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This guy happened.

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Shame we'll never see a Xbox Emulator. Well a fully working one anyway.
Software wise a lot of great stuff that I wouldn't mind replaying with added features from an emulator.
 
J.Allard left. He was why the OG and 360 were so gamer focused. Well him, Bach and Moore...

True, I find it incredibly astounding MS had something called 'Xbox Live Arcade' and that was the perfect name for downloadable games and the perfect platform. It can be something where you virtually go to see and play your downloadable games. It was a brilliant name, and now they completely removed it entirely with a huge mess in the online store. Like wtf are they thinking.
 
They're still being different and facing opposition as usual, as soon as next gen starts Xbox One will be looked upon fondly by its fans.

OG Xbox was criticised for just being a PC in a box and forcing broadband for online gaming, i remember those threads well. X360 was mocked for being "Xbox 1.5" and then further ridiculed for offering 2 models "GImp version". Also PGR resolution was a big talking point.

But now they're innovative game changers. I have no doubt Kinect will come into its own this gen and drive camera/console tech... As a massive fan of Xbox, who's been there since day one, Xbox One feels like the most complete and innovative Xbox. Future looks good.
 
Og xbox was a good device. It had these, what everyone already know, problems:

- came from a company not experienced in console business
- was huge
- didn't get all the games
- online paywall when PC was still huge with free of the same things
- architecture was a huge pain in the ass so no ability to minituarize without losing a shiton of money
- it was the ugliest thing on the planet at the time

Next version fixed many of the shortcomings by good timing on launch/pricing/game deals with publishers, etc, but stopped focusing on games when they were needed for the future. Xbone seems to be a crossbreed of ideas into all directions and not fully developed so i dont think it'll reach 360's success. Old fans are still there though so it will never fail.
 
I remember buying the Xbox because it felt like a Dreamcast 2.0. It was great and I'm glad that MS took this way. I bought later a PS2 and played a few of those "must-play" games, but they were mostly meh or ok.

DOA 2 Ultimate still looks great. The console was a beast in terms of hardware.
 
Online PC gaming wasn't as unified as Xbox Live. Gamespy Arcade, File Planet etc. Microsoft deserved the fee back then.

Xbox is firmly under the boot of Windows and stuffed with everything Microsoft. All departments are jumping on to expand their own products at the expense of Xbox as we use to know it. I wouldn't be surprised if the Xbox One is the go to business conference device. It has a secure lock on the chassis, Kinect with Skype, gestures. Office will be there soon. Xbox One Business edition next year.

Xbox HQ must be soul destroying. They are dancing others tune rather than creating their own destiny. Waiting for the Windows team to update their software before applying it to Xbox One. Waiting on app updates. They must be stuck doing TV, PR and the odd game.
 
Great system, always have mine hooked up. Thing's a tank.

Didn't Sega help design it? It really does feel like a DC2 in a lot of ways, and it got most of Sega's best titles.
 
Bought it for Jet Set Radio Future, was such a holy shit next gen moment as well as Halo. Splinter Cell blew my mind, such an exciting time back then, probably my favorite console ever. It was almost like the Dreamcast 2 AND opened the doors to previously PC centric Western developers at the same time. You had Shenmue 2, Panzer Dragoon and Morrowind, KOTOR etc, so much diversity. Then came Xbox Live and Halo 2. The future looked so good and the 360 came out and things just kept looking better for the first couple years of that console. Then something happened.

Ed Fries left near the end of the original Xbox and J Allard left a few years later, Mattrick and Kinect came in, unsafe bets went out the window, stagnation set in and their goals changed. The last few years of the 360 were pretty terrible and now we have the Xbox One. The Xbox One's UI in my opinion is TERRIBLE and a total step back from 360's. You can absolutely tell that this was NOT designed for gaming by gamers as the 360's UI was. It takes more than twice the amount of time to check your friends list than it does on the PS4 and lacks MANY basic features that the 360 had for years. Then there's the unwanted Kinect and the gimping of the hardware which goes against what the original Xbox and the 360 stood for, which was top of line console hardware at the time. The Xbox is no longer a console for the hardcore and it makes me sad, because I loved so many of the old Xbox exclusives whereas I find Sony VERY hit and miss for me. The original Xbox almost felt like it was made especially for me, I don't get that with any of the current consoles.
 
It seems like every division of Microsoft decided to take a piss with Xbox One. We have that failed and hated Windows 8 system? No worries, let's just push it with our new gaming system and call it a day! We have that huge black hole for profits called Bing, let's just make it only way to search for content on our new gaming system! Xbox Music, Video, Skype all did the same. You know the saying? Too many cooks spoil the broth. The only division, which ironically doing very well, not involved with Xbox One mess is Office, but I won't be surprised if we see Office 365 for Xbox in the future.
How about you just "Xbox go to internet explorer" " browse to google" than search whatever you like. How stupid is this? "Hey Microsoft offers its own products and services we should hate them for that"
 
OG Xbox was a bunch of commodity PC parts stuffed into an over-sized, poorly designed case. The only "innovation" was brining PC-style games to the console audience and looting Sega's corpse.
 
OG Xbox was a bunch of commodity PC parts stuffed into an over-sized, poorly designed case. The only "innovation" was brining PC-style games to the console audience and looting Sega's corpse.

And ruining them in the process.
 
OG Xbox was a bunch of commodity PC parts stuffed into an over-sized, poorly designed case. The only "innovation" was brining PC-style games to the console audience and looting Sega's corpse.

and it was still great.

I enjoyed my superior ports and HDD.
 
The original Xbox is probably my favourite console of all time. Part of that was that Sega, who had recently stepped away from the Dreamcast, was bring stuff like Jet Set Radio Future, Panzer Dragoon Orta, and Otogi to the system. Then you also had the Western stuff that I hadn't really been exposed to in any significant way for about seven years. There was Halo, Project Gotham Racing, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Morrowind, Fable, and so on. In fact, playing through KOTOR for the first time is probably my favourite gaming memory ever.

I don't think the feeling of the Xbox will ever be recaptured, but that's just because of the state of the industry. But with stuff like Titanfall and Destiny in the pipeline, things are looking fine.
 
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