Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Ok GAF I have decided to skip 4K and go to a Panasonic panel. I am now trying to decide on the 65" VT60 or the 60" ZT60. Both are the same price which is my biggest concern...either would look huge in the space I have. And both are a major upgrade to my current 720P Pioneer 43" Plasma.
I am leaning towards the ZT...
I am leaning towards the ZT...
Watched pacific rim on my Sony 50W685 this evening. Was fantastic. I'd calibrated with the Disney WoW bluray which is enough for me, and had the lights off in he room but bias lighting behind the set. Blacks and overall contrast were great. And the 3D really impressed - I'm definitely a passive 3D convert. Had an active set before and the glasses were heavy and uncomfortable, and flickered under bright lights. Also I can't see any crosstalk
Any euro gaffers looking at a 50W65x, definitely consider a W685 for the 3D - you can probably find it for the same price anyway (I did)
Any euro gaffers looking at a 50W65x, definitely consider a W685 for the 3D - you can probably find it for the same price anyway (I did)
Wishmaster92
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I have all my hdmi contents set to: photo because it cuts out any enhancements. Graphics adds some type of edge effect. But nothing... hdmi content does not solve the problem. The only way would be to plug a component cable into my wii u and hope it outputs to 1080p, but idk if this tv could output 1080p via component.
I'd definitely say VT, unless your room is super, super bright.
Unknown Soldier
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Play around with the color space setting. For native RGB 4:4:4 outputs, setting it to Native might help with your colors.
The switch from RGB -> YUV -> RGB should have no effect on colors if you're actually going from the same thing to the same thing. Unfortunately Rec.709 has a compressed gamut compared to what RGB 4:4:4 can support, the Native setting gives you a color space which allegedly covers 98% DCI which is as close to sRGB as you'll probably get on a TV.
AlimNassor
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http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BTY9NPE/?tag=neogaf0e-20
vs
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AWKBZQG/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Am I being dense why is the bottom one cheaper? Aren't they both the exact same TV?
vs
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AWKBZQG/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Am I being dense why is the bottom one cheaper? Aren't they both the exact same TV?
lostinblue
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Same set, different sellers (bottom is amazon, top is a third party)
Probably relate to the local dimming. Best to turn off things like dynamic dimming, otherwise you get dark areas lighting up like that - you can see it during credits too.
Under picture-advanced settings, I have
Black corrector - off
Adv, contrast enhancer - low
Auto light limiter - off
And then in settings-system settings, I have the light sensor turned off
Wolfgang Jr
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Technically?: yes. Practically?: no, it's a crock of shit.
You'll not notice it one iota unless you are a professional gamer who gets paid upwards of $200k annually for sitting on your ass and claiming you can tell the difference between 160fps and 155fps.
I've tested out console games and I don't notice any lag at all. I'm not much of a competitive gamer, who MUST have every nano second at his disposal though.
I tried 1080p PC games and switched 1080p pixel direct on and off and I do think I noticed a difference, but I can't rule out that maybe I'm just imagining that I can perceive it. It's down to the fact that even if there is a difference in switching it on it wouldn't take any concision effort on my part to deal with the minute lag.
Can't the PS3 be switched to YcbCr? Hmmm... I can test this out, but it may have to wait till the weekend. I have component cables for the PS3 as well.
Edit: and as lost in blue mentioned and I can verify switching the content type helps with a lot of the problem... and come to think of it, as I was switching it on and off in Okami, I don't remember changes in color even as I was looking at my screen really intensely.
That depends on his own sensitivity. I played on a tv with 90ms for 4 years, so I got pretty burned by high input lag. It became my top priority from then on. I became highly sensitive to that, and could tell very clearly the difference between a 30ms tv and my own, which is 15ms. It's a small difference but it's noticeable.
Hell, I made the decision of buying a new tv after playing over at my gfs house, whose samsung has like 35-40 ms (can't remember which) against the 60ms my old set had. I could pull off headshots so easily, even considering gta V doesn't have the snappiest of controls. Switching from 90ms to 60ms made me double my kd in BF3, and now that i've upgraded i'm playing even better, so it does make a difference. There's no need for hyperbole, if you're sensitive to it, you will notice it no matter what.
Especially for those used to playing on pc monitors, which no tv in the world can beat. They're getting damn close though.
You don't need to be a "competitive gamer" to notice or be hampered by the input lag on a TV. It doesn't take much. You make do some tests by pressing a button and believe it to be fine. You may even play games and think, "I don't notice anything". However, you are definitely being affected. Simple things like steering a car or shooting a basket will be more difficult. You will suck and not even know why, but I suppose ignorance can sometimes be bliss.
My Sony tests at under 30ms. I can easily notice it, and can see it in the average game such as Lego City. If I had a TV with 45-60ms, I'd return it. That is just unacceptable.
My Sony tests at under 30ms. I can easily notice it, and can see it in the average game such as Lego City. If I had a TV with 45-60ms, I'd return it. That is just unacceptable.
Unknown Soldier
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I'm not sure where to begin with as to how wrong this is.
I'll link this instead:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57587317-221/game-mode-on-cnet-tests-tvs-for-input-lag/
Wolfgang Jr
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Don't even start with this shit. Input lag is 2013's tech catch phrase; in 2012 no-one cared about it in the slightest, now everyone claims that 'input lag' is why their kill ratio in CoD isn't perfect anymore.
If you have to ask if input lag is going to be a problem, you'll have nothing to worry about with your TV of choice; if you CAN tell the difference between 10ms input lag, then you've obviously already gone and sifted through the 100's of reviews to find out which TV will be better suited for you.
Have been using game mode default settings for my w900a and it looks great. Maybe too bright, but that could be cause im playing in the dark mostly, i dunno.
I think that turns off all that post processing stuff which I wouldnt care for anyways.
Havnt noticed any delay/lag except for in 'Remember Me' but I think the games like that anyways.
I think that turns off all that post processing stuff which I wouldnt care for anyways.
Havnt noticed any delay/lag except for in 'Remember Me' but I think the games like that anyways.
See You Next Wednesday
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Lower the backlight to zero & work your way up to what you feel comfortable with.
Well said. I own the Panasonic st60 and input lag is not a problem for me at all. I've switched back and forth with my Asus monitor and my st60 and the input lag drama is overly exaggerated, in my opinion.
2013? Are you kidding?
Having been TV-less for a bit more than half a decade (thus I can't speak about earlier years) I checked input lag back in 2009 already when I bought a LG SL8500 and it was a pretty standard topic among gamers in display-related forums and mentioned/tested in reviews.
I can agree that the importance gets overblown a lot but no way is the "input lag" dilemma a new thing.
I'm surprised to see this thread up to only 52 pages, do the mods need to clean out fights and arguments often? This type of topic normally can cause some serious brand / tech loyalty rage!
I for one picked up a 65" 50 series Panasonic ST this year for only $1950 AUD (about $1700 US) - I love the shit out of it but it's my last TV for at least 3 to 5 years.
I'm praying, praying that 80+ " OLED displays will be sub 4k$ within 5 years.
I only finally decided to spend an entire night reading up on OLED tech mid last year and holy.shit that stuff is exactly what I'd been waiting for as a CRT fan. It genuinely appears to be superior to plasma and CRT
It's got ultra low refresh rates, it's incredibly light / thin, it has true blacks, a massive range of colour depth. It's incredible - once they perfect it, should be great.
- Do yourselves a favour if you've got 3 - 5 hours and just spend the night googling and reading about the stuff, it's really interesting and awesome if you're an IQ fan.
As for my Desktop, I use a 30" Dell - which is nice for an LCD but when I use my HTPC with the plasma in the lounge, puts the dell to shame for colours / blacks. - Still similar situation as my plasma, no intention to replace the 30" 60hz Dell until I can get something OLED, 4k, for sub 2 or 3k$ say in the next 3 to 4 years, fingers crossed.
I for one picked up a 65" 50 series Panasonic ST this year for only $1950 AUD (about $1700 US) - I love the shit out of it but it's my last TV for at least 3 to 5 years.
I'm praying, praying that 80+ " OLED displays will be sub 4k$ within 5 years.
I only finally decided to spend an entire night reading up on OLED tech mid last year and holy.shit that stuff is exactly what I'd been waiting for as a CRT fan. It genuinely appears to be superior to plasma and CRT
(LCD isn't even in the running as far as I'm concerned, it's only positive is weight and power use)
- Do yourselves a favour if you've got 3 - 5 hours and just spend the night googling and reading about the stuff, it's really interesting and awesome if you're an IQ fan.
As for my Desktop, I use a 30" Dell - which is nice for an LCD but when I use my HTPC with the plasma in the lounge, puts the dell to shame for colours / blacks. - Still similar situation as my plasma, no intention to replace the 30" 60hz Dell until I can get something OLED, 4k, for sub 2 or 3k$ say in the next 3 to 4 years, fingers crossed.
Unknown Soldier
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Very few people come to this thread to start shit that I've seen. Anyone who cares enough about this topic is more interested in guiding fellow gamers and A/V enthusiasts to a decision that fits them best than starting a fight. A TV can be a big investment, most people buy the things and watch them for 5-10 years. Nobody has time for fanboy shit when it's their eyeballs staring at something for that much of their lifetimes.
In unrelated news, I finally got around to opening up and watching The Lion King on Blu-ray. For anyone who didn't know, large portions of the movie were pored over and details added, and few shots were entirely re-animated, for that movie's IMAX release awhile back. It was also converted to 3D a few years ago but I watched it in 2D. It looks more amazing than I remembered it ever being, though it has been a really long since I watched it.
Yeah but people will always side with their choice once they've made it. You won't find many plasma people say "fuck I got plasma but I wish I got LCD, I fucked up" (or vice versa for that matter)
Anyhow, OLED - I like how it's in the topic for this thread, if ONLY it was an option
I don't have the 10k$ required to pick up one from Korea - and the 2 available are only 55" anyhow!Liquid_Bike
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That's a tough call. The S64 has the antiglare filter so if your room is bright you probably want to go with that one. The S60 is like a mirror if there are any background light sources. Otherwise they are the same.
Yeah I'm gonna decide that I don't give a fuck about input lag. If I press a button and it takes 2 whole seconds for it to register, then I'll complain.
It isn't worth sacrificing IQ to go to the S60 for me, nor is it worth another $700 to got to the VT. There are other things the VT does have that may be worth it and input lag is not at the top for me.
It isn't worth sacrificing IQ to go to the S60 for me, nor is it worth another $700 to got to the VT. There are other things the VT does have that may be worth it and input lag is not at the top for me.
People have noticed input lag since flat panels took over. Here's a video from 2006 demonstrating it.
If input lag became a bigger deal in 2013, it's because that's when Leo Bodnar's lag tester became the standard for measuring it by making the process simple, consistent and inexpensive. Before this, to test input lag you needed a CRT, high-speed camera and a lot of free time just to measure a single display. Now someone can test every TV in a store display room in a single visit, which is why the information is so much more prevalent.
Unknown Soldier
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The Costco TV is worth it just for customer service that Costco offers, plus the 1 year additional on top of manufacturer's warranty. They also offer an additional 3 years on top of that for a total of 1 + 1 + 3 = 5 years of warranty for another $99.
You get 1 year extra if you pay by credit card at any store, though.
Wolfgang Jr
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Don't Costco members get lifetime warranty on EVERY product sold? And have a 30 day price guarantee? Pretty sure this is the case here in Australia anywho.
Metallix87
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If ever? OLEDs will be common place and MUCH cheaper within a couple of years.
H_Prestige
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Got a closer look at the F8500 plasma today in a darkened magnolia room. This is the most impressive display I've ever seen (and I've seen the VT/ZT and the Kuros). It was displaying a mostly black screensaver, alongside two LCDs, and the blacks looked pitch black. The LCDs were glowing blue, but I couldn't detect any sort of light coming from the plasma. It was the closest thing to a big screen OLED I've ever seen. And the design is sexy. Hopefully Samsung will continue with this line next year. I just may buy one.
Lostconfused
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JrBaconCheeseburger
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I have a situation and need some help. I own a 2012 GT50 60" panasonic plasma
But I fell asleep watching a TV show bluray and now I can see the burn-in / image retention on my screen. I have never had a problem but I have tried the wiping feature built in for hours, PS3 media player option and I don't see it improving.
Is my TV fucked?
I went to the store and looked at Sony 4K 65" X900 and I like the passive 3D and picture looks great.
Is this a good tv for gaming? 120hz?
Thanks
But I fell asleep watching a TV show bluray and now I can see the burn-in / image retention on my screen. I have never had a problem but I have tried the wiping feature built in for hours, PS3 media player option and I don't see it improving.
Is my TV fucked?
I went to the store and looked at Sony 4K 65" X900 and I like the passive 3D and picture looks great.
Is this a good tv for gaming? 120hz?
Thanks
Unknown Soldier
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Try the pixel jogger. Leave it on overnight.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/hq5rv78qu1d9dhd/Pixel+Jogger.mp4
http://www.mediafire.com/download/hq5rv78qu1d9dhd/Pixel+Jogger.mp4
I can't tell what looks better...
everyone says how amazing the PS4/PS3's Netflix app is...and it does... but I'm using my W900a's Netflix app and it looks great as well. I might have changed some settings in between then...but to save alittle time. Does anyone here have the same TV or just a TV that they use for Netflix over/instead of their PS4/PS3?
everyone says how amazing the PS4/PS3's Netflix app is...and it does... but I'm using my W900a's Netflix app and it looks great as well. I might have changed some settings in between then...but to save alittle time. Does anyone here have the same TV or just a TV that they use for Netflix over/instead of their PS4/PS3?
Wolfgang Jr
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I hope so too, but from all I've heard it's going to go the complete other way; but who knows? Also, if you're thinking about picking one up, I'd get moving as I believe they're getting hard to find these days.
I wholeheartedly agree though, my PS64F8500 is a stunner
Somebody please stop me if this is bad advice, but I've occasionally had more luck with busy animated movies than the screen wipe on some cases of image retention on my plasma. I don't have anything that stayed very long so I'm not sure if it really worked any better than other movies, but it seemed to for me.
I used Incredibles since it has so many fast moving scenes and isn't super bright.
JrBaconCheeseburger
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Thanks all and i will try the pixel jogger
This is pretty much my nightmare scenario and basically the only remaining issue that's holding me back from driving to the nearest TV store with Panasonic plasmas, since falling asleep while watching 'finite' content (blu-rays, TV shows episodes, etc.) is something that happens quite often with me. I presume there is a 'sleep timer' feature included with the 2013 Panasonic line? That would help a lot.
Yes, there's a sleep timer. I have it threaten to kick in while watching Netflix on my PS4 sometimes. It's effective and gives paranoid users peace of mind.
So go ahead and go buy one of the awesome Panny plasmas. You won't regret it. I like my S64 so much that I'm selling it and buying a VT60.
Oh, I will buy one.
Hopefully in a month or so. Still deciding between the 50" GT60 and the VT60. Both would be a substantial upgrade from my six years old 40" 768p Sony Bravia KDL-V2000. Great TV, but it's time to join the 1080p club.RGB signals are without chroma subsampling. Sending such a signal to a monitor should get you perfect reproduction.
Why sending the same signal to, say, a Panasonic plasma, won't get you perfect reproduction? Is it the way the signal is processed, or is it some limitation of the display technology?
Why sending the same signal to, say, a Panasonic plasma, won't get you perfect reproduction? Is it the way the signal is processed, or is it some limitation of the display technology?
I have a VT60. The resolution on red and magenta improves if 1080p Pure Direct is activated, but it's still not perfect like on a monitor.
You don't understand the problem. Games alrdy have an inputlag of 66ms (60fps) and 133ms (30fps) and you should prevent to add much more.
Try it with attaching your PC with your TV. The mouse will feel extremly inaccurate compared to your TFT.