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I agree. You gotta crawl before you can walk, so I'm perfectly fine with this. Let them gain the momentum on their own. This is WAY better than the Dark Souls situation, too. But at least FROM got their foot in the door, learned their lesson, and are treating their PC version PROPERLY for DS2.

We can only pray to Durante to help us out with a nice fix. Also DONATE to the man for all his hard work.

I agree. The trouble is they don't own the IP to work on this port forever. Two months from now Konami might not be willing to pay Platinum to continue supporting the game. Six months from now? Almost definitely.

Which is why I feel like I have to nag them to fix whatever needs fixing as soon as possible. I can't rest assured that when they will realize where they've been wrong that they will still be working on the game to fix it.

 

[Horsemama1956]

Nope, i have a q9450 OC at 3.2ghz and i don't have minimum requirements, the mini CPU is a Fucking i5, lazy ass port..

Sorry, but 1st gen i5's are almost 4 years old now with $120 FX63xx processors from AMD being equivalent. No reason to be running something older then complaining about system requirements on new games if you enjoy PC gaming.

Lazy port or cheap gamer?

 

[Fantasmo]

I agree with this line of argument and think it's the one that should be used to make the case to the devs/publisher. You want people to be able to enjoy your game on setups that may not be common right now but will become more common in the future, especially among the most hardcore PC enthusiasts. Also, that segment is probably the most vocal in their recommendations, and if MGR is a good port, then they will continue to recommend it without reservation for a good while.

Not only that, but its a niche genre with low representation on PC. Just throw resolutions in there, and mop up.

I certainly wouldn't NOT recommend the game in the future, but don't come crying to us when 3 years later other people ask their friends about it and start saying "eh, unless you have a 1080p monitor or lower I'd pass".

Long after 360s and PS3s are in a closet, PC games can still make money.

PG should want to put it there to ensure long term sales! That's the PC strength!

Edit: oh and Dark Souls is an anomaly. Lots of potential customers are lost when customers hear they have to find and download a hack.

 

[Wolf Akela]

I'm sorry guys, but you're being too hostile to him. Be nice, okay? Not "no you're wrong, PC version deserves this and that, no reason to not include this feature". Just go "it's disappointing, but can you at least forward our concerns to the people in charge?". I have pretty much converted to PC gaming many years ago, but there is too much entitlement here. We don't even know the status of the port because there are no previews (IIRC) yet.

He's probably just a PR rep so has absolutely no control over the entire thing. It's the business people you want to talk to. Don't be too hard on him, jeez.

Got a key from getgamesgo. But the key can't be activated on my Steam account.

Huh, that might've been a recent development. I know me and a few GAF people bought there last December and they all activated fine.

 

[BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!]

JP isn't a PR rep.

 

[Joeki11a]

Will the mod community be able to fix the horrible
Flat textures of the levels?

 

[Mercuryvoid]

Got a key from getgamesgo. But the key can't be activated on my Steam account.

This could turn a prospective buyer into a disgruntled desperado. I'm this close from clicking that buy button...

Is there any workaround for this problem?

 

[koene]

Any techs know if a GTX 680MX will hold up? Really looking forward to playing this. Preloading as we speak!

 

[BY2K]

Will the mod community be able to fix the horrible
Flat textures of the levels?

We don't even know what the PC version looks like!

 

[kudoboi]

Got a key from getgamesgo. But the key can't be activated on my Steam account.

what error did it say? i bought from them awhile ago and it activated fine here. could it be possible the new batch of keys are region locked?

 

[Fantasmo]

I'm sorry guys, but you're being too hostile to him. Be nice, okay? Not "no you're wrong, PC version deserves this and that, no reason to not include this feature". Just go "it's disappointing, but can you at least forward our concerns to the people in charge?". I have pretty much converted to PC gaming many years ago, but there is too much entitlement here. We don't even know the status of the port because there are no previews (IIRC) yet.

He's probably just a PR rep so has absolutely no control over the entire thing. It's the business people you want to talk to. Don't be too hard on him, jeez.

Sheesh, this isn't all that complicated

If I were him, I would print out this thread and go back and say, "Hey guys, I'm getting tons and tons and tons of criticisms about resolution. They're beating the heck out of me, check this out!"

Simple.

 

[Echoplx]

Hey PlatinumGamesJP, I have an easier request! Change the store/library name so it isn't in capital letters please

 

[Storm Chamber]

I know it seems like we should be grateful for a company wanting to make money out of the PC market (guys, they're not doing this as a favour, they're doing this to make more money out of their game.) and whilst I am glad the game is coming to PC, I'm not going to treat this game any differently than any other game. If you're not supporting basic PC game functionality, then it isn't good news.

Man I can't tell you how much I want to say this sometimes.

 

[chrominance]

Edit: oh and Dark Souls is an anomaly. Lots of potential customers are lost when customers hear they have to find and download a hack.

Plus people are already worried about the precedent that buying Dark Souls could represent: giving money to a developer that released a shitty port because someone managed to fix all its problems could just encourage more shitty ports that also have to be fixed by some willing volunteer, and if we ever lose those volunteers then all we have are shitty ports.

I really do hope Platinum takes all this criticism to heart. The tone I got from a previous message essentially saying "you guys are complaining too rudely, maybe I won't pass on your concerns in the future!" is worrying too, though I know that the guy must be getting a fair amount of heat for what ultimately wasn't his decision. Ideally, we'd get a resolution patch from Platinum; less than ideally, it's just a random setting in an INI file we can change ourselves. But given the choice between "sorry we can't fix it in this game, but the next time we release something we'll definitely include resolution options" and "we will include resolution options if you don't treat us like dirt," I'll obviously give my money to the former.

 

[Zaru]

Looking forward to buy this when I have my next PC this year and enjoy it again (played it on PS3 before) in all its (probably community-patched) glory.

 

[JaseC]

what error did it say? i bought from them awhile ago and it activated fine here. could it be possible the new batch of keys are region locked?

I'm guessing Konami isn't using the retail-specific sub (which has no restrictions) and he's in one of these countries:

about 18 hours ago Added PurchaseRestrictedCountries – AF BD BT BN KH CN HK IN ID JP KR LA MO MY MV MN NP PK PH SG LK TW TH VN IE
about 18 hours ago Added AllowPurchaseFromRestrictedCountries – 0

Just use a VPN. Spotflux will do.

 

[kudoboi]

I'm guessing Konami isn't using the retail-specific sub (which has no restrictions) and he's in one of these countries:



Just use a VPN. Spotflux will do.

wow they actually added that restriction. what a dick move.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Sorry, but 1st gen i5's are almost 4 years old now with $120 FX63xx processors from AMD being equivalent. No reason to be running something older then complaining about system requirements on new games if you enjoy PC gaming.

Lazy port or cheap gamer?

It's a console port. Why are the requirements so high unless the port is bad?

 

[angular graphics]

Hey PlatinumGamesJP, I have an easier request! Change the store/library name so it isn't in capital letters please

 

[Fantasmo]

Plus people are already worried about the precedent that buying Dark Souls could represent: giving money to a developer that released a shitty port because someone managed to fix all its problems could just encourage more shitty ports that also have to be fixed by some willing volunteer, and if we ever lose those volunteers then all we have are shitty ports.

I really do hope Platinum takes all this criticism to heart. The tone I got from a previous message essentially saying "you guys are complaining too rudely, maybe I won't pass on your concerns in the future!" is worrying too, though I know that the guy must be getting a fair amount of heat for what ultimately wasn't his decision. Ideally, we'd get a resolution patch from Platinum; less than ideally, it's just a random setting in an INI file we can change ourselves. But given the choice between "sorry we can't fix it in this game, but the next time we release something we'll definitely include resolution options" and "we will include resolution options if you don't treat us like dirt," I'll obviously give my money to the former.

Yeah, in no way am I interested in being "nice" to people I'm paying money for a product to. I certainly won't be mean, but if I'm expected to "be nice" (Capcom does this all the time), I'll just put my money elsewhere, and that's the way it should be. Gotta listen to your customers, especially when it's something minimal like this.

For example, Capcom: I don't have the desire to go on random websites like capcomunity or twitter or beg or be nice and register and click and post and ... no. No no no. Open your ears and stop making your potential customers do backflips.

Ask a couple questions, know your audience, be grateful for the responses you get, make something they want, price it right, and profit. If you don't hit the minimum expectation, then that's their problem not mine. I'll part with my money this time, but next time I might not be so nice.

 

[duckroll]

I'm guessing Konami isn't using the retail-specific sub (which has no restrictions) and he's in one of these countries:



Just use a VPN. Spotflux will do.

Niiiiiiiiiiice. Konami really doesn't want money from their customers. Fuck em.

 

[CheesecakeRecipe]

On top of added resolution support being a common sense thing for futureproof's sake, I hope you've passed along "Fuck this locked regional bullshit" to your higher ups as well, even if it is Konami pulling those strings and not you all at Platinum.

 

[Peff]

Yeah, in no way am I interested in being "nice" to people I'm paying money for a product to. I certainly won't be mean, but if I'm expected to "be nice" (Capcom does this all the time), I'll just put my money elsewhere, and that's the way it should be. Gotta listen to your customers, especially when it's something minimal like this.

For example, Capcom: I don't have the desire to go on random websites like capcomunity or twitter or beg or be nice and register and click and post and ... no. No no no. Open your ears and stop making your potential customers do backflips.

Ask a couple questions, know your audience, be grateful for the responses you get, make something they want, price it right, and profit. If you don't hit the minimum expectation, then that's their problem not mine. I'll part with my money this time, but next time I might not be so nice.

Capcom always asked first then ignored the results or threw a small bone at best. I think the fact that we've got a budget-price port which is seemingly uncompromised gameplay-wise, includes every single bit of DLC (except the talking wooden sword, lol) and has actual, awesome additions (Boss Rush!) shows more than a bit of good will from PG to at least tone down the snarkiness, because the issue is definitely a concern. Back when Dark Souls was released there were people saying that OBVIOUSLY a port like that being successful would only mean similar ports from then on, yet as it so happens DSII PC is steamworks and the lead version of the game this time around.

Now the region-locking stuff though, that's bullshit.

 

[Fantasmo]

Capcom always asked first then ignored the results or threw a small bone at best. I think the fact that we've got a budget-price port which is seemingly uncompromised gameplay-wise, includes every single bit of DLC (except the talking wooden sword, lol) and has actual, awesome additions (Boss Rush!) shows more than a bit of good will from PG to at least tone down the snarkiness, because the issue is definitely a concern. Back when Dark Souls was released there were people saying that OBVIOUSLY a port like that being successful would only mean similar ports from then on, yet as it so happens DSII PC is steamworks and the lead version of the game this time around.

Now the region-locking stuff though, that's bullshit.

Topic 1: It IS a fantastic value. It is perfectly priced and that's why I prepurchased.

Now we move onto topic 2, which is a separate topic.

Topic 2: If a developer does not include full custom resolution, they will get backlash.

The PC market is not the console market, it has hundreds and hundreds of configurations.
Supporting it (not hard), BENEFITS them financially in the long term.
This is not about feelings. This is business.

Edit: I'm not even complaining for me! Complaining does us ALL a favor! I'm buying it anyway. But Joe Schmo might not be happy about it in 2 years. And I certainly won't be in the Steam forums in January 2016 to tell Joe Schmo to buy it. I'm sure Platinum being financially compensated in the long run is something Platinum wants too, dontcha think?

 

[scitek]

So 1080p's the highest that'll ever be officially supported with this game? That's disappointing. Why do we have to wait for future games for that to change? Why's it so hard to change with this game?

 

[Dizzy-4U]

3rd place now. Go Platinum Go!

 

[epmode]

They still haven't confirmed that the game will scale beyond 1080p? I realize that this will technically be a better version than the console versions but for anyone with a monitor over 1080p, this is pretty disappointing. I assume that the people saying that it's not a big deal don't have a 1440p/1600p monitor and they're not aware that virtually every 3D game released in the last ten years supports >1080p.

I want to buy this but I don't think I'll go in at full price unless there's a confirmed fix.

 

[Peff]

I'm not saying not to complain, not at all. I'm just saying that being abrasive about it won't get us any closer to an official fix. For all we know this lock is just in the settings menu and fixing it is as simple as going to settings.ini and changing it there. Or maybe the engine PG uses has some weird wizardy that makes it blow up if there are more than 2,073,600 pixels on-screen at once. Either way, getting angry does nothing

 

[Grief.exe]

Sorry, but 1st gen i5's are almost 4 years old now with $120 FX63xx processors from AMD being equivalent. No reason to be running something older then complaining about system requirements on new games if you enjoy PC gaming.

Lazy port or cheap gamer?

Nope, i have a q9450 OC at 3.2ghz and i don't have minimum requirements, the mini CPU is a Fucking i5, lazy ass port..

I think you need to play it before jumping to conclusions on the CPU. Minimum requirements are generally bullshit, especially lately.

An OC'd Q9450 is still a really good CPU.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

If we're airing complaints in the hopes of them being fixed, I think Rising would have benefited a ton from having selectable checkpoints from the mission menu.

Something to consider for Rising 2!

 

[JPKellams]

3rd place now. Go Platinum Go!

Awesome!

Sheesh, this isn't all that complicated

If I were him, I would print out this thread and go back and say, "Hey guys, I'm getting tons and tons and tons of criticisms about resolution. They're beating the heck out of me, check this out!"

Simple.

I actually already did the a while ago. I also brought up all the feedback in our production meeting (the heads of every dev section) so everyone on every team learns from this and we can approach PC even smarter in the future. Im not on MGR (only worked on the soundtrack), so it personally kind of sucks to get beat up, but i dont mind too much if it means we get better.

BTW: I dont know a thing about whats up with the region lock, so please ask Konami, as the actual selling part is all on their side. After Max Anarchy, I think everyone knows that we love for people to play our games no matter where they are.

 

[Jawmuncher]

60FPS at 1080P is all I wanted so i'm glad we have that.
Obviously PC support needs to encompass more in terms of specs but in general terms this release is already better than most.

 

[Grief.exe]

Ask a couple questions, know your audience, be grateful for the responses you get, make something they want, price it right, and profit. If you don't hit the minimum expectation, then that's their problem not mine. I'll part with my money this time, but next time I might not be so nice.

Japanese publishers don't seem to be capable of knowing their audience.
Many of them are struggling financially and have made many asanine decisions the last few years.
I think they just have the old guard at the helm who are floundering in this new climate. Just pushing mobile, mobile, mobile without even understanding that market.
Need some new blood who have gotten a bussiness degree past 1960, some of these decisions are just incompetence.

Ironic that one of the few successful Japanese publishers is Sega, who is gleaning the majority of their profits from the PC market.

 

[Qassim]

Awesome!

I actually already did the a while ago. I also brought up all the feedback in our production meeting (the heads of every dev section) so everyone on every team learns from this and we can approach PC even smarter in the future. Im not on MGR (only worked on the soundtrack), so it personally kind of sucks to get beat up, but i dont mind too much if it means we get better.

I have come at what you've said and I hope you don't take it as an attack on you, rather trying to help you understand our viewpoint on some on those reasons given for this issue.

The fact you're on here and twitter communicating this is really great - even if it isn't always what we want to hear, it helps *a lot*.

 

[phaze]

Nope. It's a continuation of Raiden's story from MGS4 but you don't have to have prior knowledge of what happened in MGS4 to enjoy the plot of MGR since the enemies and allies are (for the most part) brand new.

Thank you ! All I needed to hear, preordering now.

 

[JPKellams]

Hey PlatinumGamesJP, I have an easier request! Change the store/library name so it isn't in capital letters please

*cries* i wish i could convince Japanese companies that english titles dont need caps to be compelling.

 

[Fantasmo]

I'm not saying not to complain, not at all. I'm just saying that being abrasive about it won't get us any closer to an official fix. For all we know this lock is just in the settings menu and fixing it is as simple as going to settings.ini and changing it there. Or maybe the engine PG uses has some weird wizardy that makes it blow up if there are more than 2,073,600 pixels on-screen at once. Either way, getting angry does nothing

Nobody here has a problem with the messenger, we have a problem with the message.

People are going to be abrasive no matter what. Some people about this, some people about that. People complain, it's just how it is, and that won't change. That's part of what business is about, for better or worse. Some expectations are ridiculous, you ignore them, and so will your other customers. "Wow that guy wants a free Nexus 5 just for signing up and a $50 per month unlimited voice/data/text, contract-free, pre-paid plan too? Is he crazy?" Some, like this one is a basic expectation. "Wait, I only get 150MB of LTE and the rest of my unlimited is 2G? What am I supposed to do with that? No way!"

And you're wrong, criticism does everything. Always. Criticism is the sole thing that sparks change. The request is not outlandish. It's a common expectation. In these cases when companies listen to criticism, they profit. Business 101. If it really is a problem with the engine, they should just say that, not dodge the issue. From didn't, they said, we suck but you want it, so here it is. Honesty goes a long way.

I'm repeating myself now, so I'm done discussing this topic. But anyone defending this is actually not helping Platinum's cause, over some strange need to discuss feelings.

 

[Grief.exe]

Yes, cutscenes. Not uncompressed of course though, then the size wouldn't be 24GB but more like 24TB

I'm happy to see they use the PS3's cutscenes instead of the 360's (which were more compressed).

That is a really nice addition, I hate compressed audio and video.

Not to start this fight again, but >1080p resolution is present on maybe 4% of machines according to the Steam Survey. Let's be EXTREMELY generous and give an extra 1% for people super-sampling and it is still an incredibly thin number. So to say we didn't use common sense proves once again that "common sense is not always common."

BTW - I did pass along the resolution comments to everyone in our production group meeting we have weekly, so people are aware. It will definitely shape future policy.

Thanks for passing the information on.

I think you are glossing over a couple things though. PC ports sell for decades, the average resolution in just a fee years is going to creep ever higher. It would be nice to have an extra 100,000 sales per year due to good word of mouth.

You are also vastly underestimating how many people supersample or down sample. Its an incredibly common practice, especially for console ports that are easy to run.
Durante made it very easy to implement in Dark Souls, conversely I don't know many people who weren't doing it.

 

[Totobeni]

I'm guessing Konami isn't using the retail-specific sub (which has no restrictions) and he's in one of these countries:



Just use a VPN. Spotflux will do.

smh.

and no I'm not gonna use any VPN on my system. will just cancel my amazon pre order right now. Konami don't deserve my money here.

 

[Fantasmo]

Awesome!



I actually already did the a while ago. I also brought up all the feedback in our production meeting (the heads of every dev section) so everyone on every team learns from this and we can approach PC even smarter in the future. Im not on MGR (only worked on the soundtrack), so it personally kind of sucks to get beat up, but i dont mind too much if it means we get better.

BTW: I dont know a thing about whats up with the region lock, so please ask Konami, as the actual selling part is all on their side. After Max Anarchy, I think everyone knows that we love for people to play our games no matter where they are.

Just don't take it personally. Nobody is out to get you specifically. Well not the smarter of us. It's just that you're all we have, at least on this forum. You don't HAVE to listen to us. You can think I'm a jerk and that's okay too. I am looking out for your company though, and I have nothing against you. I have an issue with the maximum resolution thing. It flies in the face of this particular segment of the market. Okay, I'm out for real.

And by the way, thanks!

 

[Momentary]

Has QLOC worked on other games that aren't Capcom games? It seems like their Capcoms hidden gem for bad ass ports. Like I said in my previous post, you should try to let the higher ups at Platinum Games know how well these guys work on ports. In my opinion, there's no one that does a better job.

 

[Grief.exe]

smh.

and no I'm not gonna use any VPN on my system. will just cancel my amazon pre order right now. Konami don't deserve my money here.

It will activate just fine on Steam. Those type of locks only pertain to Steam transactions.

Bullshit? Yep. Ignorant? Yep. Easy to circumvent? Yep.

Most big publishers do this, by the way, so cancelling your per order will do nothing. It's a very common practice.

 

[JaseC]

It will activate just fine on Steam. Those type of locks only pertain to Steam transactions.

Bullshit? Yep. Ignorant? Yep. Easy to circumvent? Yep.

The store sub doubles as a retail sub, so in addition to the game not being available on the AF/BD/BT/etc. stores, those in the listed countries will see this error upon attempting to redeem a key (if they're not using a VPN):

 

[Momentary]

Seeing MGR in the top 10 again 5 days before release makes my feel all warm and fuzzy.

 

[Big_Al]

I appreciate you raising our concerns JP to the Dev team so thank you for that. I hope good sales and constructive criticism will maybe even lead to a patch/more support as needed. I certainly look forward to more Platinum games hopefully making their way to PC

 

[Totobeni]

It will activate just fine on Steam. Those type of locks only pertain to Steam transactions.

Bullshit? Yep. Ignorant? Yep. Easy to circumvent? Yep.

Most big publishers do this, by the way, so cancelling your per order will do nothing. It's a very common practice.

The store sub doubles as a retail sub, so in addition to the game not being available on the stores, those in the listed countries will see this error upon attempting to redeem a key (if they're not using a VPN):

and done

I'm just voting NO on this region locking bullshit.

 

[Parsnip]

Has QLOC worked on other games that aren't Capcom games? It seems like their Capcoms hidden gem for bad ass ports. Like I said in my previous post, you should try to let the higher ups at Platinum Games know how well these guys work on ports. In my opinion, there's no one that does a better job.

If I remember right, they did Ace Combat Assault Horizon for Namco.

 

[Bor]

Just bought it aswell, my first game from platinum HYPE

 

[Momentary]

Oh I forgot about Nixxes. I thought they did a great job on Tomb Raider.

 

[SparkleMotion]

I want to buy it, but I have no idea how it will run.