True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st
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Don't forget that other preacher, the big guy brother of a senator or something? He was spouting off how this looks bad for Christian community in the police station and you know we haven't seen the last of him. They could have gotten the right killer, but missed the guy who was brainwashing the brainwashers.
That's what i am also expecting, however the way they sometime "stop" a scene to have him go on like that, feels more like self serving and indulgent than character development driven.
BarrenMind
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Thought the theme song might have been Johnny Cash and June, but it turns out it's "Far From Any Road" by The Handsome Family, of whom I'm now becoming a fan.
According to Wikipedia, their style is "a blend of traditional country, bluegrass, and murder ballads."
MURDER BALLADS
According to Wikipedia, their style is "a blend of traditional country, bluegrass, and murder ballads."
MURDER BALLADS
I definitely felt a bit that way as episode three carried on since it seems like each episode has only one or two central themes that they let him riff about. It's always fresh (well not really refreshing in the true sense but at least interesting) in the beginning but I don't think we're in the minority in wanting the story to keep moving along as much as possible in the '95 world.
Ha! They turned that Black Angels song into the creepiest thing I'd ever heard played over credits in ep1. I was legitimately scared of my safe suburb's shadows after hearing it all together like that and I've listened to the same song many a night in the past without thinking twice that it was at all a "murder ballad."
The word(s) of the day are now Murder Ballad. So awesome.
Anyone want to clear up the promo for episode 4?
It almost looks like we're going to get some more background story on Rust. It looks like he's going undercover, but then later on he's yelling for Marty, though I supposed they could have purposefully laid over some audio from another time. So do you guys think we'll get some Rust flashbacks or is the undercover stuff all about the murder?
TangoAlphaLima
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Notice how they repeatedly asked Marty whether decisions they made during the investigation were made by Rust. Marty has always defended Rust and stated that he agreed with the decisions made, or that the decisions were made mutually. It's clear that the present day cops are trying to determine whether Rust intentionally botched the investigation to pin the murders on someone else, someone other than him.
Look, we know that the serial killer was supposedly caught in the 90s by Marty and Rust. Now another murder happens present day, under similar circumstances to the 90s murders. This leaves one of two possibilities: 1) this is a copycat murder, or 2) the original serial killer was never apprehended, and an innocent man was arrested instead. Either way Rust could be the killer in the present day. He had intimate knowledge of the 90s murders, so he could easily copycat, and he presided over the 90s investigation, so he could have intentionally led it down the wrong path in order to cover up his own crimes.
Now, I don't think Rust had anything to do with any of the murders. He's clearly a troubled man, but he's no serial killer. But in my opinion, the present day cops think it's possible that Rust is either a copycat killer, or that he was the original serial killer the whole time.
What I'm really unsure of is how Rust is going to convince the present day cops that he didn't commit any of the crimes. I also don't know who the copycat killer could be (I'm presuming the gas mask man really is the 90s serial killer). One would think the copycat killer would have already been introduced to the show, but I don't think there are enough clues to definitively point in any direction yet.
I'm guessing they have to go deep into the meth world as part of the murder investigation
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I will say this after Rust read their file his whole demeanor changed and he seemed more aggressive with them (taking out his knife to start making metal can men) and I think he is aware they suspect him in some capacity.
But I think in the end he and marty will tell them who they think did it and the two interviewing cops will be forced to decide if it adds up the way it originally went down and if the two of them want to further the case based on the truth
(I do think the reverend & the governors brother is involved and in 17 years I doubt the governor will have the power to protect him this time so maybe the real murderer will be caught now when he couldnt be touched back then. The governor being in charge then is in my opinion the only reason rust would imply they knew the real killer got off. He would have to have protection to stop the investigation.
Cornballer
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- Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald talk True Detective on this week's Hollywood Prospectus podcast for Grantland
Here are the listings on HBO's website. I'm not sure which one you're looking for.
Karak
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Hmm. I was under the impression that they loosely think Rust has moved on as a copy cat of some kind and are doing a fresh open interrogation. For me them letting him talk and talk is that typical training of let someone talk themselves into a corner despite how self aggrandizing it may be.
As a show based somewhat in a realistic view they haven't followed any of the standard rules for bringing in retired or ex cops to work on a closed or reopened case. Pretty standard working rules for all police departments for that and what is transpiring isn't them. Could be a cinematic choice to throw watchers off but that would be odd when they have gone to such great lengths in other areas.
Great show regardless. Just good fun watching it unfold.
As a show based somewhat in a realistic view they haven't followed any of the standard rules for bringing in retired or ex cops to work on a closed or reopened case. Pretty standard working rules for all police departments for that and what is transpiring isn't them. Could be a cinematic choice to throw watchers off but that would be odd when they have gone to such great lengths in other areas.
Great show regardless. Just good fun watching it unfold.
TangoAlphaLima
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What are they doing wrong? I'm no expert in this field, but it doesn't seem out of the ordinary to me. The detectives assigned to the new case have brought in the detectives from the old case to question them on how the investigation went down.
I wonder if the key isn't that the viewer hasn't been given a reason to give the two cops conducting the interviews as much credit as they deserve. Maybe they realize the wrong man was assumed to be the killer and they further suspect that Rust agrees, and now they want to know exactly how and why he got there. They focus on Rust because of the unique reputation I'm sure they're aware of and they see Marty as a company man.
Cornballer
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- McConaughey is doing Inside the Actor's Studio on Feb 20th
Press Release said:
Karak
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FYI no expert here either at all and most likely stuff was just skipped for drama purposes.
But, years ago, I researched law and spoke to officers and detectives for a book I was trying to write and it happened to include the return of an officer to an older case after retirement. That also matched up with "behind the scenes" books and technical manuals as well as an uncle who is a retired police officer. Unfortunately he has passed cause I would love to ask him current law. It also could be cinematic in nature for this one issue and they didn't cover it( to up the drama).
What was told to me and what I read was that steps for bringing in police officers to your case and especially into your precinct returns them to an, on duty status of some kind, with all the state laws and so forth reenacted, paperwork to sign and so forth. Its not a get together between collage chums. No drinking on the premises, blah blah blah, or half the other things going on. Mostly with Rusty. We didn't get into the nitty gritty of every single thing but some of the books did and it sure seemed that it was far more official.
They could have him under an informant umbrella though but from what I read that was also not acceptable because it puts the returning officer under a different set of laws and less protection that could be at odds for what he is saying during the interview. All this wouldn't matter at all if they weren't aiming for such a realisitic slant so I may be paying too much attention to stupid stuff.
But it has been years so maybe laws changed for sure. I am open to anything right now it is just that what they are doing fit with suspect questioning of a preliminary sort so it fit with what I thought.
Extra Sauce
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The smoking (and by association drinking) during questioning has been addressed in the first episode.
cant wait
TangoAlphaLima
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Well, I'm an attorney, but I only practice a little bit of criminal law here and there as it comes in, so I'm no expert either. But one thing I do know is any laws regarding this type of situation would be state laws, and the State of Louisiana easily has the most bizarre set of laws in the entire country. It's really not even close.
Regardless, to me this seems like a pretty informal questioning of Marty and Rust. I can't imagine why any specific procedures would need to be in place for this type of thing. There definitely wouldn't be any kind of procedure if you or I were asked to come down to the police station to answer some questions. We wouldn't be obligated to do it, if we consented, it would be an informal interview. They wouldn't need to read Miranda rights or anything of that nature. If Marty and Rust are considered suspects (Marty because he may have helped cover up for Rust), then I don't see why their status as former police officers would grant them any additional rights over anyone else.
Glad I'm not the only one! Seriously, I've said stuff that came out of his mouth and gotten the same reaction from people and then I have to wonder if I'm broken or something.
But when he said that he doesn't feel guilty for who he is anymore and considers that a victory, it was very sad. A man who has accepted the fact that he's broken is a dangerous thing. Like a man who goes on to long without a family..... wait a minute...
EverythingShiny
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This is probably old news, but this is a short preview clip done by HBO back in early December. Spoilers for things past Episode 3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh93mAeKcQo
I found it interesting that
Anyway, I've rewatched the first two episodes and I agree with TangoAlphaLima that this is an informal questioning. Rust specifically says to them that this tape isn't admissible in court anyway in the first episode. Rust knows right away that it's something to do with the body they found and as Rust says at the end of episode one, if they got the guy in 1995, then how could this crime have happened? And then he tells them to start asking the right fucking questions.
Which is something I noticed on my second watching - Rust is almost playful in 2012. He likes toying with these guys. Very different from his super serious 1995 self.
Sort-of unrelated, but I bought Pizzolatto's book Galveston last night and hope to start reading it this weekend. I'm curious to see how his writing translates to a novel, because I'm so impressed with what I've seen in True Detective.
Looks like there's a bit of footage from the gunfight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh93mAeKcQo
I found it interesting that
Harrelson confirms we see them in 2002. So perhaps the last few episodes revolve around what happened to their partnership in 2002, which would be fantastic, since I'm really wondering about how they worked together for another 7 years and then things got so bad they stop working together and don't speak to each other for at least 10 years.
Anyway, I've rewatched the first two episodes and I agree with TangoAlphaLima that this is an informal questioning. Rust specifically says to them that this tape isn't admissible in court anyway in the first episode. Rust knows right away that it's something to do with the body they found and as Rust says at the end of episode one, if they got the guy in 1995, then how could this crime have happened? And then he tells them to start asking the right fucking questions.
Which is something I noticed on my second watching - Rust is almost playful in 2012. He likes toying with these guys. Very different from his super serious 1995 self.
Sort-of unrelated, but I bought Pizzolatto's book Galveston last night and hope to start reading it this weekend. I'm curious to see how his writing translates to a novel, because I'm so impressed with what I've seen in True Detective.
not his views on religious people though, those were extremely judgmental and ignored a whole bunch of factors that lead to people being religious and 'prone to obesity' and lack of education. I was definitely more of Marty's side in that exchange.
Karak
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No wait. Then we are in agreement. I was saying that is exactly right. They are being considered as some kind of suspects in SOMETHING and NOT as chums or to help.
or as I said informants but I didn't cover that in my studies at all. IMHO of course.
Its also just a show so there is no real investment to reality really. It just fit in the discussion.
TangoAlphaLima
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Okay, yeah, gotcha. Definitely agree with that, Rust is being treated as a possible suspect, and Marty is the possible accomplice/witness.
Karak
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Awesome!
One thing, and maybe someone here remembers as well but one of the behind the scenes had the director indicating the flow of the story and he very clearly said, "the early episodes flash back and forth from past to present and the later episodes follow these two cops as they come back to investigate the current situation/murder."
So my thought is possible copy-cat(Rusty) and all that stuff falls to the wayside as they do indeed come back and are forced to work together again after their falling out.
it could have been a play on words, or a mistake but it really seemed more like a mistaken slip up to me.
TangoAlphaLima
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That's my thought as well. But I'm just not sure how Rust gets in the clear. I imagine we'll find out soon, though, or they won't have enough time to devote to the present day investigation, seeing as we're almost halfway through the show already.
chicko1983
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I think your alternate theory (with Rust being a copy-cat killer) is plausible but the first theory (Rust pinning all the crimes on somone else in 1995) is not.
There were at least three connected 90's murders (Dora Lange, Marie Fontenot, and the one in ep 3 - Lianne Olivier).
Two of them occured when Rust was working in Texas as an undercover narcotic agent, so I dont think he could have committed them.
As I said previously, prior to ep.3 even, they have mentioned the murder case of Dora Lange closed in 1995 but they were partners for another 7 years.
I believe that they kill the gas mask man in episode 4 in a heated shoot out before they can ask him questions. However, they use the testimony from Dora's husband to pin the murders on the gas mask man to close the case and keep their boss happy.
(If you havent seen the promos and trailers for the show dont read futher)
However, the interrogations continue with Rust and Marty telling what happend in the seven years after the case is closed in their unofficial undercover investigation into the drug ring that Reggie Ladoux (the gas mask man) supplies his drugs to. "we need to take it of the books" as Rust says in the trailer for ep4. This is what I believe the younger detectives are partly questioning them about and want to know more about - they want to know why they closed it as they may have an incling that Reggie didnt do the murders. Not that they think either Marty or Rust did it.
But we will see in the next few episodes. Cant wait!
See the above spoiler for my opinion on the undercover subplot. In the ep4 promo
Marty and Rust go undercover into the drug rin that I reckon Reggie Ladoux supplies his drugs to. In order to learn more about the leader of the drug ring (the guy with the beard) it looks like Rust goes on a raid of a rival gang's headquarters. Rust says to the guy with the beard something like "if I'm going to go through with this, you better give me what I need/want" I think he may be talking about going on the raid with the bearded guy in order to speak to someone else or get some drugs off him.
At some point in the trailer it sounds like Marty is calling Rust with directions or an address like he is in trouble, so maybe he gets kidnapped by somone (the drug ring) and rust has to do a raid with them for them to release Marty...
At some point in the trailer it sounds like Marty is calling Rust with directions or an address like he is in trouble, so maybe he gets kidnapped by somone (the drug ring) and rust has to do a raid with them for them to release Marty...
I dunno, but it looks like the action picks up.
I dont think that he was told explicitly told about the new victim at all. I reckon in the second episode he does question why they are asking about the 1995 case but I cant remember what he said exactly.
IIRC he said "this is about that girl up in...?" so he knew they found another body and let on he had a feeling it was connected to his old case.
HalfBakedProphet
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Rust has a problem with authority. It isn't too hard to imagine he was forced out for stepping on too many toes or just generally being difficult to work with. Once he didn't have that sense of direction and singular thing to focus on, things spiraled downward. That's my guess, anyway
TangoAlphaLima
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I don't disagree with you, but I definitely got the feeling like the present day cops interviewing Rust and Marty were trying to determine whether Rust had intentionally led the Dora Lange investigation astray, which led me to think they suspected Rust as having committed the murders. But maybe they just suspect Rust of having committed the Dora Lange murder, then while "investigating" that murder, he threw the other murders into the pot as some kind of smokescreen.
Again, I definitely don't think Rust committed any murders (just watch me be wrong), but I feel like the present day cops are looking at him as a suspect for either the copycat murder, the Dora Lange murder, or both.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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HalfBakedProphet
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sometimes things just fit.
hadn't seen this. Fuck yes. Some spoiler bits for sure, like how it shows
Marty staying in Rust's apartment. Post breakup with Maggie, one would assume.
EverythingShiny
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Oh yeah,
the scene where they're both giving each other the finger? That was great.
This show, man. I can't stop thinking about it.
biosnake20
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RustyNails
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Is there a quote of the ending monologue by Rust from the last episode? Dude went in really deep.
Whenever someone gets to work on the IMDB page it'll be there. This show is a goldmine for quasi-nihilistic quotes.
Karak
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Wow at the missing ring finger...what the fuck?
Agreed. It feels like David Gemmel had a fucking hand in almost every character before his death. It is like a modern day Gemmel Fantasy novel actually.
The Artful Dodger
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I hope he talks exclusively about The Wedding Planner, and How To Lose A Guy In Ten Days.
Not really, but it'd be pretty funny.
Anton Sugar
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I am kinda in the same boat but not quite. I do think each episode has been better than the last, but yeah, the philosophic discussion in the first episode came on a little too strong.
However, episode 2 was great and 3 was excellent. Dat McConaughey monologue.
The Artful Dodger
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I think the dialogue would be incredibly corny if the setting and overall tone of the show wasn't so on point. The Delivery is incredible too.
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