The decades long social engineering experiment has failed: Married mothers are the happiest amongst women, followed by married women without children

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"Oooooopsie, we only ruined society and hundreds of millions of people's happiness"

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A common narrative has it that commitment and motherhood make women unhappy. New data suggest the opposite is true.
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These same sentiments are prevalent in today's online conversations and news reports. "Women Are Happier Without Children or a Spouse, Says Happiness Expert," one headline reads. Another reveals "Why So Many Single Women Without Children Are Happy." People post in discussion forums, asking, "Why do you think that single unmarried women without children are happier than married women with children?"
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What we found contradicts the negative messages that I had come across: Married mothers are actually happier than unmarried women and married women without children. In the survey, 19 percent of married mothers described themselves as "very happy," compared with 11 percent of married women without children, 13 percent of unmarried mothers, and 10 percent of unmarried women without children. Married mothers were also more likely to say that life is enjoyable most or all of the time than the other three groups. These numbers are controlled for age, family income, and education, so we know that those factors aren't the cause of the differences.
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These findings are not a one-off. Well-respected sources, such as the General Social Survey, show the same result; married mothers and fathers in that survey were more likely to report being "very happy" than unmarried people and those without children. Another recent study found that married or partnered mothers are less likely to frequently feel depressed or anxious than people in the other three groups.
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Even publications like The Atlantic are starting to admit it now that feminism, satellite ideologies and their messaging have been a disaster for the human race. And don't even get me started on how damaging for gender relations it has been with all these lonely, bitter women and men hating each other and blaming the other gender for their unhappiness. The experiment has failed leaving behind a broken, angry society
 
I've got to ask, Married with kids and stay at home mothers or not? I'd be happier as a stay at home dad if the wife went out and did all the modern work environment crap and I just sat around most of the day once the kids were old enough to go to school.
 
Feminism might be the toxiciest movemment against humanity. Because most of them are unhappy people that say to other people "if I can't be happy, so nobody else".
I doubt theres a single women with common sense that doesn't love having and taking care of their own children. Specially when most of them are stay on home type of women.
 
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nush said:
I've got to ask, Married with kids and stay at home mothers or not? I'd be happier as a stay at home dad if the wife went out and did all the modern work environment crap and I just sat around most of the day once the kids were old enough to go to school.
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No you wouldn't. You may think you would be, but you wouldn't be.
 
I just don't believe blanket sociology studies like this. The margins are so small between groups that this data is practically useless.

The amalgamation of humans that live in the US is so diverse that this study again is useless. What role does religion or how you were raised affect these factors?

Feminism isn't a toxic idea. There are toxic ideological leaders in the movement but feminism isn't bad inherently. Same with religion. Would I call all Christians pedophiles cause of all the sex scandals?

The rampant attacks on women's rights and health have been going on in this country since way before I was born. You can look at any days headlines and see mostly men stripping women's rights away.

These are the real cucks and soyboys. The little bitch boys who don't know how to interact with women and then throw tantrums. Think Andrew Tate. That dude must have negative game and it's easy to see why; doesn't understand or respect women.

How you gonna be a real cocksmith and always denigrate women? How are powerful men in this country such cucks that they have to pay for sex or cheat on their wives? Its so pathetic seeing these losers with their stepford wives.

Dude, that woman has been trained since birth to be a good housewife. It takes no skill bedding a women like that.
 
The gender warriors will never take this as fact. If you posted this on any feminist board the backlash would be severe. The gender wars will continue with no end in sight. The ironic thing is that many of these decenter men type of you tubers are married themselves but make a career out of driving a wedge between the genders so they are hypocrites.

Even though I am happily married myself I think marriage in the west is cooked and it is pointless to try and save it.
 
That data is not sufficient to make your claims and blame feminism. The numbers you posted are so small that it could in-fact be feminist mothers who are the happiest -- but again this data is not sufficient for those kind of conclusions.

TBF the Atlantic is paywalled so maybe im missing something you saw?
 
Sonik said:
"Oooooopsie, we only ruined society and hundreds of millions of people's happiness"

www.theatlantic.com

The Marriage Effect

A common narrative has it that commitment and motherhood make women unhappy. New data suggest the opposite is true.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com







Even publications like The Atlantic are starting to admit it now that feminism, satellite ideologies and their messaging have been a disaster for the human race. And don't even get me started on how damaging for gender relations it has been with all these lonely, bitter women and men hating each other and blaming the other gender for their unhappiness. The experiment has failed leaving behind a broken, angry society
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Who's "we"? Feminism is about allowing women to make their own choice about what they want to do with their lives. It's about equal rights. If someone wants to get married and have kids, have at it. It's just not for everyone.
 
Sonik said:
"Oooooopsie, we only ruined society and hundreds of millions of people's happiness"

www.theatlantic.com

The Marriage Effect

A common narrative has it that commitment and motherhood make women unhappy. New data suggest the opposite is true.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com







Even publications like The Atlantic are starting to admit it now that feminism, satellite ideologies and their messaging have been a disaster for the human race. And don't even get me started on how damaging for gender relations it has been with all these lonely, bitter women and men hating each other and blaming the other gender for their unhappiness. The experiment has failed leaving behind a broken, angry society
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It's being done on purpose. This wasn't an accident.

"Who's "we"? Feminism is about allowing women to make their own choice about what they want to do with their lives. It's about equal rights. If someone wants to get married and have kids, have at it. It's just not for everyone."

Oh, dear. That's... not it at all.

There is nothing more that hates and despises femininity more than "feminism." It's not about hating the "patriarchy." It's about tearing down traditional standards and hating on happy and successful women.

All of it comes down to "destroying the nuclear family" - all of it. That ancient battle-cry from the 1960's. Everything "woke" is tied to the same "counter-culture" hogwash run by the people who are literally intent on tearing society apart.

This is just one of many such thrusts.
 
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analog_future said:
Who's "we"? Feminism is about allowing women to make their own choice about what they want to do with their lives. It's about equal rights. If someone wants to get married and have kids, have at it. It's just not for everyone.
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Oh look, it's the motte and bailey fallacy again that feminists love to abuse. First they brainwash women with ideas of sRrOnG iNdepEndeNt wOmEn being the happiest and coolest while portraying housewives and mothers as some pathetic, miserable slaves for decades and when they get called out it's all about "respecting women's choices". Same with equality, they constantly attack men, portray them as rapists, advocate for a society that ruins men's lives with mere accusations with their #metoo bullshit that have done irreparable damage to society and gender relations, blame them for all of society's problems and when they get called out they retreat to the motte of "we only want equality!"

Enough with the intellectual dishonesty, we've had enough
 
Sonik said:
Oh look, it's the motte and bailey fallacy again that feminists love to abuse. First they brainwash women with ideas of sRrOnG iNdepEndeNt wOmEn being the happiest and coolest while portraying housewives and mothers as some pathetic, miserable slaves for decades and when they get called out it's all about "respecting women's choices". Same with equality, they constantly attack men, portray them as rapists, advocate for a society that ruins men's lives with mere accusations with their #metoo bullshit that have done irreparable damage to society and gender relations, blame them for all of society's problems and when they get called out they retreat to the motte of "we only want equality!"

Enough with the intellectual dishonesty, we've had enough
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Well bam, there it is.

Got it in one.

Just remember, this wasn't an "experiment." It wasn't something good-intentioned that just "went wrong" (which is what they liked to say about Communism when I was growing up). It's part of a multi-pronged attempt to prevent people from having happy and stable families.

The first step towards improving something is noticing when something is wrong - then where it went wrong, then why. The rest will follow.
 
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Sonik said:
Oh look, it's the motte and bailey fallacy again that feminists love to abuse. First they brainwash women with ideas of sRrOnG iNdepEndeNt wOmEn being the happiest and coolest while portraying housewives and mothers as some pathetic, miserable slaves for decades and when they get called out it's all about "respecting women's choices". Same with equality, they constantly attack men, portray them as rapists, advocate for a society that ruins men's lives with mere accusations with their #metoo bullshit that have done irreparable damage to society and gender relations, blame them for all of society's problems and when they get called out they retreat to the motte of "we only want equality!"

Enough with the intellectual dishonesty, we've had enough
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Lunarorbit said:
I just don't believe blanket sociology studies like this. The margins are so small between groups that this data is practically useless.

The amalgamation of humans that live in the US is so diverse that this study again is useless. What role does religion or how you were raised affect these factors?

Feminism isn't a toxic idea. There are toxic ideological leaders in the movement but feminism isn't bad inherently. Same with religion. Would I call all Christians pedophiles cause of all the sex scandals?

The rampant attacks on women's rights and health have been going on in this country since way before I was born. You can look at any days headlines and see mostly men stripping women's rights away.

These are the real cucks and soyboys. The little bitch boys who don't know how to interact with women and then throw tantrums. Think Andrew Tate. That dude must have negative game and it's easy to see why; doesn't understand or respect women.

How you gonna be a real cocksmith and always denigrate women? How are powerful men in this country such cucks that they have to pay for sex or cheat on their wives? Its so pathetic seeing these losers with their stepford wives.

Dude, that woman has been trained since birth to be a good housewife. It takes no skill bedding a women like that.
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Red pill and Feminists are worth each other = pure toxic crap.

Modern day feminists are pure trash, completely non needed (unlike their predecessors 100+ years ago) and they created red pill men as countermovement.
Modern day western women have more freedom and opportunities than anytime in history, yet purple hair bitches still moan about stupid, small things. This gender war + illegal immigration will destroy western culture.

Why feminists won't help women actually oppressed in Muslim countries?
 
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Bojji said:
Modern day western women have more freedom and opportunities than anywhere in history, yet purple hair bitches still moan about stupid, small things. This gender war + illegal immigration will destroy western culture.

Why feminists won't help women actually oppressed by Muslim countries?
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Because of the reason laid out in your preceding sentence. The goal of radical leftist ideology, of which modern feminism is but one arm, is the destruction of traditional Western culture. They don't care a whit about what goes on in Muslim countries because those aren't their targets.
 
DaciaJC said:
Because of the reason laid out in your preceding sentence. The goal of radical leftist ideology, of which modern feminism is but one arm, is the destruction of traditional Western culture. They don't care a whit about what goes on in Muslim countries because those aren't their targets.
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They don't care about women's rights, I know that and that's the reality. It was always about power, "equality" is just an excuse to gain more of it. Western culture destruction will be the consequence.
 
Quick question regarding the data. Does 19 percent of them being happy mean that the inverse is 81 percent being unhappy?

That's a massive number if true.
 
There is nothing wrong feminism in and of itself but much of it these days is misandry disguised as feminism. If true equality minded feminists want to stop the backlash they should denounce and distance themselves from this.
 
DaciaJC said:
Because of the reason laid out in your preceding sentence. The goal of radical leftist ideology, of which modern feminism is but one arm, is the destruction of traditional Western culture. They don't care a whit about what goes on in Muslim countries because those aren't their targets.
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If you look at the bigger picture though and who created these useful idiots through sheer propaganda, it was never about ideology. If it was about ideology the corporate media stooges, social media owned by billionaires and the rich in general that promoted this shit would never have supported a "radical leftist" one

It was all about money as per usual, feminism was used to double the workers because the rich wanted to keep wages stagnated and impede labor rights through job market saturation. When that was normalized and there weren't any more women to add to the workforce around the 90s then they started outsourcing jobs and when they reached the limit of outsourcing they started importing millions of immigrants to keep the job market oversaturated. There's a reason all these woke movements never felt organic, it's because they never were
 
thefool said:
While i think it's obvious marriage leads to happiness, i also agree with this
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You're right, these blanket sociology studies are just the tip of the iceberg because, like someone else mentioned, if they were targeted towards women 40 and up the results would be devastating. Why 40 and up? Because they have half a life left and their decisions are irreversible now so it would be very informative for any women that want to follow the same path. Sociology is consisted of some of the insufferable woketards in existence, if anything they're probably trying to downplay the problem
 
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It's logical anyone married with kids would be happier. Unless they got into a crappy marriage with the worst kids ever, it make sense people are happier in that situation.

I enjoy spending time with family (going out to dinner tonight with fam as a lucky coincidence) and it's always more fun with other people around. I enjoy hanging and talking to my nieces and nephews too.

No different than having pets. Is there a study claiming who is happier? Pet or non-pet owners? I wouldnt be surprised one bit if pet owners were happier.

Of course not everyone is going to be more happy. Some people enjoy being loners at home. And they are likely the same people who like being loners at work too. The less face time with people the better. And IMO they are going to skew to weird people. You arent going to get too many normal folks with fams or those hot women or studly guys being the loner oddballs. Those people love attention and being with people. The oddballs are going to be the same kind of folks who probably dont even like shopping in person or meeting people at a pub or catching a ballgame in the summer with friends and fam. They are likely those Uber Eats and Amazon lovers who try to buy as much stuff online hoping to run into as few people as possible.
 
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Having a stable life with a beloved partner and kids is healthier than being a 40-year-old teenager sleeping around with Tinder buns. Shocker!

No social engineering can change millions of years of evolution.
 
nush said:
I've got to ask, Married with kids and stay at home mothers or not? I'd be happier as a stay at home dad if the wife went out and did all the modern work environment crap and I just sat around most of the day once the kids were old enough to go to school.
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I am a housewife with no children (not by choice) so just sharing my own experience with it, doesn't mean you may like it if you did it, though.

My job changed locations late last year a few hours away, moving wasn't an option and I can afford to not work so I took my severance and have been off for 9 months. If you don't have things to do, you'll obviously get bored. Everyone loves the idea of being off but you have to take some stuff in to consideration.


While you're off, other people probably are not, so it's not like you can call up friends and plan a day unless it's the weekend and they don't work weekends. I'm lucky enough that I can do that so I still get to socialize with different people outside of home any day I feel like it.

I cook, I clean, I care for two dogs and a cat, I play video games (lol), watch movies, binge tv shows, hop on this site and one other, hang out with friends, watch my sports, anything to keep me busy/entertained. Sitting around watching tv all day, there is only so long until you get tired of it so if you don't have other things to keep you busy, it won't be fun. It might be great in the beginning to sit back, relax and watch but yeah it won't last.


I don't know if this helps you give a better perspective on it but that's been my experience.
 
"Even publications like The Atlantic are starting to admit it now that feminism, satellite ideologies and their messaging have been a disaster for the human race."
I missed where they said this.
 
People who stick to more traditional gender roles tend to be happier than people who expect to be treated as special while bringing nothing to the table. Who would have thought?

There's so much social media girl boss bullshit aimed at women telling them they deserve to be happy and live their best life no matter what that it has skewed the perception of what a healthy relationship is.
 
Sonik said:
You're right, these blanket sociology studies are just the tip of the iceberg because, like someone else mentioned, if they were targeted towards women 40 and up the results would be devastating. Why 40 and up? Because they have half a life left and their decisions are irreversible now so it would be very informative for any women that want to follow the same path. Sociology is consisted of some of the insufferable woketards in existence, if anything they're probably trying to downplay the problem
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This.
I'd expect most 18-25 year olds would not want to be married and not have children at that age. Even 30 and up would offer more devastating results than this.
 
I'm happy seeing my nephews and nieces a few times per year and a gf.


I think a lifelong relationship or marriage is fine, kids are fine, but involving the state in the "legal" way is not for me. Then, if things don't work out(most don't) they get to order you what to do. "Give her this, pay that. Give her child because you have a penis etc."

Absolutely fucking no. We'll have a ceremony but I'll be damn if the state and attorneys get to feast on a breakup like piranhas.
 
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my wife became her happiest after our first child was born, no doubt about it.

The quirks about her that I didnt like seemed to fade away over time. I dont want to sound like a caveman but I have always thought it is definitely an instinct thing. they are agitated and anxious until they find a lifemate and have children, then they realax.
 
I'm always skeptical about this stuff one way or another. For one, there are conflicting statistics; if getting married was so automatically awesome, the divorce rate (that's divorces per marriage, not divorces per capita) wouldn't be anywhere from 50-56%.

You also have a question about causality. Are people who get married more likely to be happy or are people who are happy (for whatever reason) more likely to get married?

It's like that stat about men who get married making more money. The reality is that relationship is probably reversed.

Studies and conclusions like this also don't adjust for other factors that have changed over time. Couples being older and more financially supplied on average than before may have a significant impact on how satisfied they feel.

As for children, I definitely believe they add a positive aspect to marriages such that marriages with children are less likely to get divorced. Children or not though, the remaining 44-50% of marriages that do not end in divorce are not inherently sunshine and rainbows.

Nocty said:
my wife became her happiest after our first child was born, no doubt about it.

The quirks about her that I didnt like seemed to fade away over time. I dont want to sound like a caveman but I have always thought it is definitely an instinct thing. they are agitated and anxious until they find a lifemate and have children, then they realax.
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The majority-divorce rate would suggest this is very anecdotal.

Walliwallipaloo said:
It's being done on purpose. This wasn't an accident.
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This suggests conspiracy. I think it's mostly emergent.
 
kpopSuperstar said:
Live in tight small social groups and have kids. That's what you are built to do. You ignore that and it will haunt you later in life.
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I am scared shitless that I won't find anyone who suits me. I am at the age where that shoots in for me almost like a survival instinct. I guess this is what women feel as soon as they get out the house. I understand now.
 
ProtoByte said:
I'm always skeptical about this stuff one way or another. For one, there are conflicting statistics; if getting married was so automatically awesome, the divorce rate (that's divorces per marriage, not divorces per capita) wouldn't be anywhere from 50-56%.

You also have a question about causality. Are people who get married more likely to be happy or are people who are happy (for whatever reason) more likely to get married?

It's like that stat about men who get married making more money. The reality is that relationship is probably reversed.

Studies and conclusions like this also don't adjust for other factors that have changed over time. Couples being older and more financially supplied on average than before may have a significant impact on how satisfied they feel.

As for children, I definitely believe they add a positive aspect to marriages such that marriages with children are less likely to get divorced. Children or not though, the remaining 44-50% of marriages that do not end in divorce are not inherently sunshine and rainbows.


The majority-divorce rate would suggest this is very anecdotal.


This suggests conspiracy. I think it's mostly emergent.
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Once you leave the usa out of the data it's very different. divorce rate globally is dramatically lower because European countries and middle eastern countries value marriage far more.
 
Woggleman said:
The gender warriors will never take this as fact. If you posted this on any feminist board the backlash would be severe. The gender wars will continue with no end in sight. The ironic thing is that many of these decenter men type of you tubers are married themselves but make a career out of driving a wedge between the genders so they are hypocrites.

Even though I am happily married myself I think marriage in the west is cooked and it is pointless to try and save it.
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Fuck I want you to be wrong so bad but I don't think you are at all, and it really breaks my heart to look at the world my daughter is inheriting.

Fun fact: My daughter has a friend group of 8 kids. Of the 8, her and a friend are the only straight girls in the whole bunch, the other 6 are various shades of lgbtq-whatever else. I'm not saying this as a homophobic thing mind you, a lot of these kids are at my house all the time and I treat them as family and let them eat all my goddamn yogurt snacks and my wife cooks tofu, steak, burgers, what have you for em all the time, they're good kids, seriously. With all that being said, it doesn't really matter how good they are, that's not the point.....if three quarters of a small friend group in central Maine are gay, what does that say for other demographics across the country? What does that say for the future of the human race?

Something has infected the minds of our children, and I'm doing everything in my power to keep it from happening to my little girl, who is my entire world. Fortunately, she's too damn smart to be taken in by trends and agendas, as she just laughs at it all, but I shudder to think of what this country is going to look like from a population standpoint in about forty years. This is so much more of an issue than people realize.

I will repeat for effect:

This is a MASSIVE issue for the future world population, and absolutely NOTHING is being done to address it. I'm not intelligent enough to figure out how to solve the problem, but I'm smart enough to see the writing on the wall, and it is not good at all lads.

Alright then, enough doom forecasting from me, there's enough of that going around these days anyway. Sorry for getting into the weeds there fellas -_-, I just worry about things sometimes, and I spend far too much time worrying about what the world will be like for my daughter when I'm not here anymore.

I don't know.
 
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analog_future said:
Who's "we"? Feminism is about allowing women to make their own choice about what they want to do with their lives. It's about equal rights. If someone wants to get married and have kids, have at it. It's just not for everyone.
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Not true. A lot of the feminist movement is looking down on married women, or lambasting that type of lifestyle. Some of the most prominent feminists have argued that women should not be given a choice at all.

Simone de Beauvoir was a feminist in the 40s - 70s, largely credited for feminist theory and the rise of the second wave of the feminist movement. As she once said in a published interview: "No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one." She was also quite negative in her opinion of marriage, not just for the mother and father but children.
 
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Romulus said:
Absolutely fucking no. We'll have a ceremony but I'll be damn if the state and attorneys get to feast on a breakup like piranhas.
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They will anyway in any region that honors the concept of common law marriages, and even in many places that don't, if you have a relationship that lasts over seven years and you guys live together.
 
poodaddy said:
Fuck I want you to be wrong so bad but I don't think you are at all, and it really breaks my heart to look at the world my daughter is inheriting.

Fun fact: My daughter has a friend group of 8 kids. Of the 8, her and a friend are the only straight girls in the whole bunch, the other 6 are various shades of lgbtq-whatever else. I'm not saying this as a homophobic thing mind you, a lot of these kids are at my house all the time and I treat them as family and let them eat all my goddamn yogurt snacks and my wife cooks tofu, steak, burgers, what have you for em all the time, they're good kids, seriously. With all that being said, it doesn't really matter how good they are, that's not the point.....if three quarters of a small friend group in central Maine are gay, what does that say for other demographics across the country? What does that say for the future of the human race?

Something has infected the minds of our children, and I'm doing everything in my power to keep it from happening to my little girl, who is my entire world. Fortunately, she's too damn smart to be taken in by trends and agendas, as she just laughs at it all, but I shudder to think of what this country is going to look like from a population standpoint in about forty years. This is so much more of an issue than people realize.

I will repeat for effect:

This is a MASSIVE issue for the future world population, and absolutely NOTHING is being done to address it. I'm not intelligent enough to figure out how to solve the problem, but I'm smart enough to see the writing on the wall, and it is not good at all lads.

Alright then, enough doom forecasting from me, there's enough of that going around these days anyway. Sorry for getting into the weeds there fellas -_-, I just worry about things sometimes, and I spend far too much time worrying about what the world will be like for my daughter when I'm not here anymore.

I don't know.
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I've seen videos of people saying their 3 year old is gay.

That is absolutely insane.

This reminds me of when I was in high school and everyone thought it was "cool" to be bi. That shit disappeared shortly after but in today's world, it's just reinforced.
 
poodaddy said:
They will anyway in any region that honors the concept of common law marriages, and even in many places that don't, if you have a relationship that lasts over seven years and you guys live together.
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I'm not in a common law state. Many aren't.

But even if you are, there are tons of ways around it.
 
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Sonik said:
If you look at the bigger picture though and who created these useful idiots through sheer propaganda, it was never about ideology. If it was about ideology the corporate media stooges, social media owned by billionaires and the rich in general that promoted this shit would never have supported a "radical leftist" one

It was all about money as per usual, feminism was used to double the workers because the rich wanted to keep wages stagnated and impede labor rights through job market saturation. When that was normalized and there weren't any more women to add to the workforce around the 90s then they started outsourcing jobs and when they reached the limit of outsourcing they started importing millions of immigrants to keep the job market oversaturated. There's a reason all these woke movements never felt organic, it's because they never were
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That's a good point about wanting more workers. When central banks steal purchasing power from the common man, he must then work more—not to increase his wealth—but simply to replace the stolen purchasing power.

This was by deliberate design from those who are responsible(Banksters whom created our central bank), they even told each other that if people have to work harder to maintain the same living standards they won't have time to figure out what is happening to them.
 
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