thomasmahler
Moon Studios
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Thomas Mahler expressed reservations on Crimson Desert's level designs and open world interactivity
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cripterion
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Ok maybe I shouldn't have picked the best as an example.
I used to play Black Desert a lot back in the day, because of the nature of the game there were the typical zones with mobs bunched up but overall they crafted a convicing world filled, with towns, outposts, dungeons. You could even ride an hot air balloon to go from one town to the other.
If they apply the same love to Crimson Desert, that is enough for me.
And yeah I'm sure it's hard work designing an open world but apparently they've been going at it for quite a while, and knowing korean culture I'm sure they were in crunch mode.
Sometimes it's the little things : I remember a section in RDR 2, I think it was a father building a house with his sons and as you progressed through the game you could see the house being built.
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Shubh_C63
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He didn't even dunked on the game. He's just saying complex level design is tough and the amount of resources, talent and time it would take to make an A+ tier map on a scale of Crimson Desert map pretty much ensures big big land is not something to be automatically happy about.
Can you imagine Crimson Desert level design to be as complex as From Software's, the easiest example.
Can you imagine Crimson Desert level design to be as complex as From Software's, the easiest example.
To be fair, people here post Vara Dark and Grummz.
But yes, Thomas Mahler has made some really great games. Interested to see his point of view after he plays it.
DavidGzz
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I agree and I already bought the game. We'll see how long it's fun for. I personally prefer smaller more focused games. I'll take any Dark Souls over Elden Ring for replayability. But I did love Elden Ring and Dogma 1 and 2, so I'm pretty sure I will love this, even if it's a one and done. No character creator also kills replay.
vaibhavpisal
Member
I think Redfall had good level design for open world.
Look beyond initial controversy and some rough edges, its pretty good time in coop.
Look beyond initial controversy and some rough edges, its pretty good time in coop.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
I've been playing Tears of the Kingdom and it's rough at points. The world is so needlessly large and the mountains are needlessly high. Everything could have been half the size and it would have been a much better experience and I wouldn't feel like I wasted my time. I feel like they started with a massive world to feel modern and compete with Ubisoft games, but it doesn't translate well to Zelda games.
pudel
Member
Fun fact....I played NMS for hundreds of hours. Even when everybody was crying on release about broken promises, I was playing the shit out of this game, as it had so many other cool new stuff to offer rather than a sheer endless open world (the illusion was well done btw). So there is that.
But i am a sucker for open worlds. I love to have the freedom to do whatever I want and not being pushed on a line through a game. Other people prefer more densed down and directed experiences like Resident Evil (or yr games) for example. And thats fine. Different people, different tastes! 
chromatic9
Member
Seems like an obvious concern that many have had over the last 10-15 years in big maps with little to do or busy work. I'm sure Assassins Creed Odyssey devs can create even more terrain and objectives, goes without saying.
Some gamers have not liked the big maps with generic content and have criticised even GTA. Witcher 3 was probably a game to add more quality to a big map.
I can appreciate big maps even if there's not much to do. I love AC Odyssey and Origins big maps but totally understand some might want a concentrated experience.
At this point I wouldn't be going into Crimson Desert thinking yes they're going to add all this meaningful rich content to each section or peerless level design, it might even fall short of Odyssey Origins in terms of environment interest. It's we have a big map to explore and get lost in, roam around and see different environments, take screenshots along with a game by the Black Desert devs. I don't want forest mountain simulator 3000 10x times bigger than RDR2 with just a walk button either, I'm again knowing this can be done easily. It's a big new game that I'd be potentially excited about even if it might only be a 7/10 in terms of how the world is.
It does sound Phil Fishy but maybe it still deserves a warning if you don't know the history.
Some gamers have not liked the big maps with generic content and have criticised even GTA. Witcher 3 was probably a game to add more quality to a big map.
I can appreciate big maps even if there's not much to do. I love AC Odyssey and Origins big maps but totally understand some might want a concentrated experience.
At this point I wouldn't be going into Crimson Desert thinking yes they're going to add all this meaningful rich content to each section or peerless level design, it might even fall short of Odyssey Origins in terms of environment interest. It's we have a big map to explore and get lost in, roam around and see different environments, take screenshots along with a game by the Black Desert devs. I don't want forest mountain simulator 3000 10x times bigger than RDR2 with just a walk button either, I'm again knowing this can be done easily. It's a big new game that I'd be potentially excited about even if it might only be a 7/10 in terms of how the world is.
It does sound Phil Fishy but maybe it still deserves a warning if you don't know the history.
Toots
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If they manage to pull it off Crimson Desert game director should be able to choose a new tag and/or avatar for
thomasmahler
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It only seems fair.
thomasmahler
.It only seems fair.
Polygonal_Sprite
Member
How many people made Crimson Desert?
I can't wait to play it!
I can't wait to play it!
vaibhavpisal
Member
An Army.
Definitely has manpower to make what Thomas Mahler is talking about.
Zacfoldor
Gold Member
I see what you mean and I do see your words reflected in my experience playing open world.
When there is a shallowness and triviality to the open world it can create this sense of like, meaninglessness to the whole ordeal. An in game depression that can take hold and make the game unfun.
LectureMaster
Or is it just one of Adam's balls in my throat?
Thomas right now:
thomasmahler
Moon Studios
I've been in this industry for long enough to know how shit runsThomas right now: