Jason's Ultimatum
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Would be stupid as hell if he survives that.
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The Walking Dead Season 6, Part 1 Sundays on AMC
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Killing_Joke
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I was shocked but TD literally killed it for me. Not once did i think he survived until 1. Steven doesn't get a farewell and 2. The stupid letter that said he his whole story hasn't been told. Why would you create the illusion he wasn't dead? Just let it rock.
Not interested in flashbacks or ghost Glenn. If he's dead then fine if not hey better have some fucking amazing reasons how he survived that.
Not interested in flashbacks or ghost Glenn. If he's dead then fine if not hey better have some fucking amazing reasons how he survived that.
Funky Papa
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I didn't remember most of those bits, so it worked out for me. The hectic nature of the episode was also a nice change of pace. TWD has tried similar scenarios before, but things have never been so fucking dire and tension was kept through the episode. It also helps that filming was actually competent for a change.
I agree.
I also agree.
I'd be fine with somebody from the gang found his badly mauled remains undead remains ala bike lady.
You bring up a good point with the fact that now everyone is going to think that when a character dies there's going to be people who think there's a chance they survived.
I think it was kinda a mistake to do this with Glen's character if he does indeed survive the encounter. The type of show this is I'm convinced that everyone is going to die eventually and now if Glen somehow survives and the time comes to kill him off its not going to be as impactful as it could have been.
The Artisan
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it's never gonna be fully resolved because rick is never gonna know that it's because of morgan he almost died again and morgan is never gonna know that rick almost died because of him.
psynergylover
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The gif that Funky Papa provided there's no way Glenn survived that by crawling under the dumpster,it's like 5 inches above the ground.
Funky Papa
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I'd also like to mention that Glenn dying in such a lame way makes total sense and infuses some extra dread, in the sense that it shows that not only dumbass redshirts can die because of their dumbassness as per usual, but that they can also take with them hardened survivalists such as Glenn because of shit luck at high stakes situations.
Shit happens.
It reminds me in a way of one of the most shocking deaths in Terminator: The Sarah Chronicles, where
didn't die in a blaze of glory and a cloud of gunpowder smoke, but shot in the face with no prior alert. I remember some people were pissed off at how unceremonious it was, but it made sense and served to convey the message: even badass dudes can bit it like a chump if they make a bad turn.
Shit happens.
It reminds me in a way of one of the most shocking deaths in Terminator: The Sarah Chronicles, where
Brian Austin Green's character
DXLelouch153
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Maybe
saves him?
dudes pretty badass in the comics
Jesus
dudes pretty badass in the comics
Hidden One
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Yeh I just watched the clip on YouTube. No way he's dead..Yet..if he gets out of this is skill level is above Asian.Nothing got spoiled, because Glenn is not dead.
I definitely agree it does make sense with the story that was being told with Nicolas and the death definitely didn't feel cheap. I think the bigger issue is that with a character like Glen who we have known since the 2nd episode, it would make much more sense if he died in a little more dramatic of a moment that focuses on him and not Nicolas as well. Having him die in front of someone like Rick or Maggie and seeing their reaction would have a much bigger impact on us and the group in the show as well. Having him die with no one around to witness it is just kinda a waste in my opinion.
VanquishUK
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Someone must come to Glenn's rescue for him to survive that...
Funky Papa
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Eventful deaths are kind of boring AF at this point. There have been so many of them to make them meaningful.
Sometimes soldiers just die alone and without making any real contribution to the fight. Even good ones.
This is the one thing that could support a "Glen is actually dead" outlook at this point. The reason they didn't "confirm" the death on the show and Talking Dead, and Gimple's weird statement, could simply be because they are going to have the others actually find his remains, or he is gonna turn up as a zombie to actually confirm his death and allow the others to get closure. But if this is the case it just means the usual Walking Dead Clunkiness® actually leaked out of the confines of the show and into the meta conversation around the show.
Funky Papa
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Those were the dickheads who assaulted Alexandria and were chased outta town by Morgan (but not before taking that gun they later used to render Rick's ride undrivable).
UberTag
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Yeah, Talking Dead's handling of the situation can be justifiably questioned as it seemed to fly in the face of the show's intent to just muddy everything.
Frankly, the only scenario where I can even appreciate TD's handling of this episode is a double fake-out... constructing a scenario where Glenn dies but intentionally leave room for doubt to make it blatantly look like you're avoiding the issue by not confirming anything and alluding to the fact that he's still alive... when, in fact, he's really just dead and you're yanking everyone's chain for a bit.
Just to clarify, I don't believe that scenario's in play. I think it'll go the more obvious route. Just saying that I could only appreciate TD's tapdancing if they were in on the false swerve.
The Artisan
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Latvian Hitman
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For purposes of this reply, I'll assume Glen's actually dead (even though he isn't.)
His real undoing is his decision to spare Nicholas after their tussle in the woods outside of Alexandria in the last finale, followed by his decision to try and help him redeem himself. Though, as you say, that's still an example of his biggest strength being exposed as his biggest flaw.
Not that it matters. He apparently isn't dead, and will be able to use this whole experience as a lesson learnt.
The Artisan
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i thought the rv just sort of died, had not to do with rick shooting through its walls to kill the wolves
I guess the shot fired by the one Wolf with the gun could have gone past Rick into the engine.
I'm fine with Glenn living or dying. thanks to (spoiler)
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If he did survive, they are going to have to choreograph the shit out of it to do it convincingly. I look forward to seeing if they can pull it off.
some goofball posting an unspoiled pic of Glenn on set filming, I known he's alive
If he did survive, they are going to have to choreograph the shit out of it to do it convincingly. I look forward to seeing if they can pull it off.
Funky Papa
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Oh I agree, if Glen did died from this I wouldn't really mind cause it is realistic. Its just that at this point there is only Rick, Carl, Daryl, Carol, and Glen from the original Atlanta group. Even Morgan I would include just cause we have known him since episode 1. These six people deserve more then just a clumsy death simply because we have been invested with them for so long.
They have been on the road for at least a year and half now so I would expect whatever finishes off these six would have to be something more then just falling off a dumpster. Even Beth got some build up to her death. I don't see them not doing that for all these other original characters.
Sure it makes sense that a character can die at any second but certain characters deserve more then that. And personally I expect Glen is in that category for the writers since he has been with us for so long.
giancarlo123x
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No wonder those clowns called the wolves don't have any ammo or guns, came in blasting wasting everything in one second.
Ahh, so Morgan lets Wolves live > Wolves take gun > gun disables rv > Rick is unable to divert the herd > herd keeps going to Alexandria...
I think its silly that they are being so ambiguous about it. If he survives that amount of zombies then thats just completely fucking dumb. He was screaming. That would be metal gear levels of plot armour. I want to see main characters die. It adds tension. I do think he is dead based on what Gimple said about flashbacks and a "different version of Glenn".
You forgot that Morgan let the two wolves live who then find Aaron's pictures of Alexandria which lead to the attack in the first place. Morgans been fucking up since last season.
and Nick shot himself in the head, so he isn't turning zombie ever
poppabk
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I hope Glenn is dead, because writing themselves out of that hole is going to be painful. I didn't doubt for a second that he was dead watching the show, in fact I was kinda glad that a main character died without it being a 'very special episode'.
They wouldn't be so cagey and precious about it (never once did anybody on the Talking Dead actually say "he's dead") if it were intended to be a clear death.
"Different version" probably just means that he's done being compassionate and is going to go the Way of the Rick.
Morgan is the true antagonist.
UberTag
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Morgan just keeps finding more ways to fuck up that city. It's pretty remarkable. He's a one-man wrecking crew.
- Allows the Wolves that threatened to take his lovely campfire meal go after giving them his first on-screen "I've got moves like Donatello" exhibition.
- Wolves find Aaron's backpack and Alexandria intel so they can storm it with knives and slaughter most of the women.
- Morgan shows up to shut off the horn (only after half the herd has been diverted to Alexandria) and then proceeds to offer mercy and warnings to the Wolves butchering women in the streets after more "look at my cool staff moves" demonstrations (occasionally ruined by Carol walking up to kill Morgan's audience).
- Allows the Wolves he spared to grab a handy firearm as a parting gift along with their stolen bounty of Judith's baby food.
- They intercept Rick in his last-ditch effort to divert the herd they've lost tabs on with the RV, shooting its engine out with the stolen gun in their kamikaze effort, thus ensuring the herd remains unimpeded on its march to Alexandria that will inevitably result in more innocents getting slaughtered.
If the point of next week's episode is to redeem Morgan's character, they've got a LOT of work to do on that front.
A lot of people have been complaining that Glen and a lot of the original characters have too much plot armor but comparing what's going on right in the show to the same time frame of the comics and the same thing is being pretty much done. Big difference is the show has gone way overboard with Glen especially surviving all these encounters.
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I believe they are making it seem like the survivors (Rick's group) are a bunch of badasses who can handle themselves in pretty much any situation. That way when Negan and the saviors show up its an even bigger surprise how hard it is for Ricks group to handle them. Like I said the comics did it similar with the group killing both the cannibals and the scavengers (the wolves) really quick. biggest difference here is that the show is making individual characters seem like badasses.
-Pyromaniac-
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the way of the rick lol
yes glenn needs to come aboar. He hasn't killed a human has he?
DXLelouch153
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If this is true then it is the single dumbest thing that ever happened on the show. There is literally no possible way he could have survived that. We're going to have to wait two weeks to find out too.
Morgan has become the fruitcake of the walking dead universe.
Funky Papa
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Morgan def needs a reality check.
While I was initially fine with Morgan as a character, I'm not real keen on the narrative ground that we are going to have to re-tread to get him from point A to B with everyone else.
Seems like we have to go through this with every major character and I'm kind of burned out on it.
The Artisan
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UnObtainium17
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I would sacrifice Morgan to the plot armor gods if it meant Glenn survives that evisceration.
Yep, I'm really not liking him right now.
Jack Scofield
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Reminds me of [BREAKING BAD SPOILERS]
how the writers of Breaking Bad kept implying that they would bring back Gale for season 4 after seeing the fan reaction. Fans were speculating that Jesse moved his gun and didn't shoot Gale, and the writers had a little fun at our expense and kept teasing that they were actually going to bring Gale back to life.
DXLelouch153
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Escape Goat
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The ghost of Dale looms large over that RV.
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