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The Walking Dead Season 7, Part 1 Sundays on AMC
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Disagree Guy
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Was it a good episode?
In hindsight probably an average one - but it was a hard watch
Was the acting good?
INCREDIBLE - The guy who played Negan did a stellar job. Great casting.
Rick aswell..... that
was tense....
The moment where
physically put me off my dinner. It was properly gross. The worst thing was when he kept mumbling and Negan mocking him.....
In hindsight probably an average one - but it was a hard watch
Was the acting good?
INCREDIBLE - The guy who played Negan did a stellar job. Great casting.
Rick aswell..... that
Carl hand scene
The moment where
Glenn got his god damn eye popped out
Disagree Guy
Member
That's the equivalent of watching Gollum fall into the fires of Mount Doom and going 'Oh that ring was important yeah?'
For people who've watched it all along.... the emotional connection was raw man
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Finally saw it, and yup, Walking Dead still sucks, unfortunately.
1) The gore was gore, not that shocking. The deaths were pretty brutal, especially Glenn being forced to suffer for a bit before the final blows.
2) Jeffrey Dean Morgan is really good for this role.
3) I can't believe people are still giving a pass to AMC for what they pulled last season keeping the death(s) a cliffhanger. Zero fucking reason for what they did, especially when they offed two characters back to back in the next half of the scene (that they cut in half because $$$$$$$)
If they were going to do that, they could have easily offed Abraham in the finale, have people get kinda pissed that they didn't kill Glenn, and then come back and kill Glenn five minutes into the new season for some actual shock value.
The issue with this show, is that while it has story arcs, there really isn't all that much driving them on an episode to episode basis. Almost every arc has a big start, a loooooong middle where it meanders around, and then an explosive end that may or many not be actually concluded within the season. There really wasn't any reason this entire episode had to be dedicated to Rick going for a ride... and then coming back. Maybe I'm just growing tired of the show and want it to move along, I mean, seven seasons will do that to you. Nothing feels new, nothing is fresh, most of our characters have gone through their major arcs, and while I'm sure Rick has a few more curves in him, I really don't have any personal investment in these characters anymore.
Again, this episode was a long drawn out scene that should have been half done last season in the final episode.
That's not even talking about just how much AMC fucks with this show and how little respect they have for the viewers. They have zero interest in showing a good product, and the last few seasons show for it. The entire half season plot arcs are a prime example of how the show suffers for it, creating sub arcs that lead to some type of either
1) Major cliff hanger, tune in for the next half of the season so we can get a ratings boost! (Also we might kinda retcon the last scene, don't think about it)
2) Kill a character because it's the mid-season finale and we've been building something up for the last few episodes.
I mean, Season 6 ended both of it's sub-seasons by literally stopping the show mid scene for the sake of ratings. It's insane how much they get away with constantly fucking the flow of the show and the quality of it just so they can get a cheap hashtag online and get all the buzz about what's going to happen next.
I've done my fair share of defending the show, especially around season 4-5, but this show really needs to be taken out back behind the barn and put out of it's misery. There is little creative spark left in it, and knowing what AMC did and has done with this insane potential simply leaves a sour taste in my mouth every time I watch an episode.
1) The gore was gore, not that shocking. The deaths were pretty brutal, especially Glenn being forced to suffer for a bit before the final blows.
2) Jeffrey Dean Morgan is really good for this role.
3) I can't believe people are still giving a pass to AMC for what they pulled last season keeping the death(s) a cliffhanger. Zero fucking reason for what they did, especially when they offed two characters back to back in the next half of the scene (that they cut in half because $$$$$$$)
If they were going to do that, they could have easily offed Abraham in the finale, have people get kinda pissed that they didn't kill Glenn, and then come back and kill Glenn five minutes into the new season for some actual shock value.
The issue with this show, is that while it has story arcs, there really isn't all that much driving them on an episode to episode basis. Almost every arc has a big start, a loooooong middle where it meanders around, and then an explosive end that may or many not be actually concluded within the season. There really wasn't any reason this entire episode had to be dedicated to Rick going for a ride... and then coming back. Maybe I'm just growing tired of the show and want it to move along, I mean, seven seasons will do that to you. Nothing feels new, nothing is fresh, most of our characters have gone through their major arcs, and while I'm sure Rick has a few more curves in him, I really don't have any personal investment in these characters anymore.
Again, this episode was a long drawn out scene that should have been half done last season in the final episode.
That's not even talking about just how much AMC fucks with this show and how little respect they have for the viewers. They have zero interest in showing a good product, and the last few seasons show for it. The entire half season plot arcs are a prime example of how the show suffers for it, creating sub arcs that lead to some type of either
1) Major cliff hanger, tune in for the next half of the season so we can get a ratings boost! (Also we might kinda retcon the last scene, don't think about it)
2) Kill a character because it's the mid-season finale and we've been building something up for the last few episodes.
I mean, Season 6 ended both of it's sub-seasons by literally stopping the show mid scene for the sake of ratings. It's insane how much they get away with constantly fucking the flow of the show and the quality of it just so they can get a cheap hashtag online and get all the buzz about what's going to happen next.
I've done my fair share of defending the show, especially around season 4-5, but this show really needs to be taken out back behind the barn and put out of it's misery. There is little creative spark left in it, and knowing what AMC did and has done with this insane potential simply leaves a sour taste in my mouth every time I watch an episode.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I thought the big moment was well done, but as an episode it was pretty average. I thought the Season 5 and 6 premieres were better.
Picking things up after the event and then building to the reveal again was a smart move since it has been a few months. I'm hard pressed thinking of what more they could have done, but I didn't care for Negan and Rick's trip. The moment with the hanging zombie felt like something they wanted to get off a checklist. "Yep, unique zombie kill. Got it." I probably would have preferred the entirety of the episode occurring in the lineup.
ZackieChan
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Thought it was an amazing episode. The people who have been watching TWD all along and keep expecting it to be something it isn't continue to baffle me. Same with the ones who hate everything about it yet never miss an episode.
Last two seasons have really stepped it up, and it looks like things are going to get even better now.
Last two seasons have really stepped it up, and it looks like things are going to get even better now.
Last season when Glen left Maggie to chase Darrell the show stopped being real to me. He said he would never leave her again. That was a blanket statement. On top of that there was clear danger around and they didn't have a doctor.
I watched the finale and this season start, but they had zero impact on me. Glen was no longer a real person. The gore didn't bother me because it didn't feel real. There is nothing left for me and I have watched my last episode. Thank god for Netflix and HBO.
I watched the finale and this season start, but they had zero impact on me. Glen was no longer a real person. The gore didn't bother me because it didn't feel real. There is nothing left for me and I have watched my last episode. Thank god for Netflix and HBO.
Disagree Guy
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I'd agree with you were it not for the god damn "REMOVED POTENTIAL SPOILER" coming up.
One of the worst decisions ever IMO
That being said I do love the show
ZackieChan
Member
It's almost as if people go back on their promises in real life, too.
See you next week 😉
Are you hinting at comic spoilers or something? Please stop.
Disagree Guy
Member
Of course I'm not. I would spoiler tag it. To be honest I stopped reading as soon as the "POTENTIAL SPOILER" came in the comics so I knew nothing of it's impact or outcome.
It was in all the teaser and trailer material too so is it the mention of the "POTENTIAL SPOILER" that you find to be a spoiler?
Pankratous
Member
:s whatever floats your boat man
ZackieChan
Member
I haven't watched those teasers and trailers, no. So yeah, it kind of is.
Per the OP of this thread:
"Please remember to spoiler tag any preview and/or promo discussion for episodes that have not aired."
Disagree Guy
Member
Right ok I understand now. I figured because it'd been aired it would be ok to mention it. Apologies.
In the world the show is set in, the only way to deal with evil people like that is to end them, even preemptively. There's no middle ground because if you just ignore it or let it slide, S7 EP1 happens; except they weren't ready or prepared. What Negan may have coming for him (I'm guessing) would be a just cause, people like that don't get to live in The Walking Dead. As for his men, well that all depends how many of them were broken.
If they were, if they were forced to do things - that sets a different precedence.
Disagree Guy
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Beer Monkey
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As far as people who post "I'm done with the show", and the inevitable responses that mock them go, I actually watched less than half of the show last (half) season live, and fell over two episodes behind once. So I've already been drifting away.
I'm not mad, I'm just in the "Daily Beast" camp. The show isn't fun for me any more. I might watch the season finale live, if I'm still following the show, but it quit being "must see TV" on a weekly basis well before now. I did the same thing with FTWD, which I quit forever before the last season made it halfway.
I'm not mad. At all. But I'm not into torture porn. I'll suspend it to a degree as long as the show has compelling characters, but there is a tradeoff at play here.
And honestly, who can pretend that the show is halfway as consistent in terms of real drama and suspense on a reliable basis that it once was?
I'm not mad, I'm just in the "Daily Beast" camp. The show isn't fun for me any more. I might watch the season finale live, if I'm still following the show, but it quit being "must see TV" on a weekly basis well before now. I did the same thing with FTWD, which I quit forever before the last season made it halfway.
I'm not mad. At all. But I'm not into torture porn. I'll suspend it to a degree as long as the show has compelling characters, but there is a tradeoff at play here.
And honestly, who can pretend that the show is halfway as consistent in terms of real drama and suspense on a reliable basis that it once was?
zkorejo
Member
Oh no.. I meant.. Got me.. emotionally. I should have written "Hit me hard".. no wait.
ZackieChan
Member
I would say that it's about 10x better than it "once was," if you're referring to seasons 1-4. But maybe I'm an outlier. I guess I understand that maybe 7 seasons of bleakness can wear on some people, but I honestly don't see the show as much different than it used to be, darkness-wise. It's just better (except that dumb shit where the woman fell onto the zombie encased in glass in the forest, or whatever the fuck that was).
One episode with a few deaths, though, I wouldn't qualify as torture porn. I think that it expertly set up just how fucking horrifying their new enemy is, and we'll have a good basis going forward for what the stakes are.
Audioboxer
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For anyone still saying torture porn read this http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=221356884
I think some of you have just picked that "buzzword" up from a given review and are running with it. As however gorey it was, it's not torture porn.
I think some of you have just picked that "buzzword" up from a given review and are running with it. As however gorey it was, it's not torture porn.
Yeah I remember them killing messed up people deservedly, eye for an eye.
Don't fuck with Rick and you won't have any problems!
Can Crusher
Banned
Hell no, that shit is so stupid. The series can end on a hopeful note, without having to resort to a save the world plot.
fast_taker
Member
One thing is for sure about season7 when it comes to Negans' death (assuming that all villains eventually die)...he is going to die very very very violently
the_firewithin
Member
Neegan isn't getting got this season
It was one episode. I have never seen people be bigger drama queens over a tv show than they are with TWD. It's pulpy horror shlock. It's just not that serious. Plus, the comic gets SO good from here. It's where it really hit its stride. The show may have its best seasons ahead of it. But then I think of some of the upcoming comic scenes and realize maybe they're just too much for American tv audiences.
I came to thst conclusion a season or 2 back. Durabont seemed like he was trying to tackle the virus stuff itself plus he had plans of showing the series from different pov. Like the soldiers from dead tank in episode 1 was suppose to have an episode themselves in s2.
In terms of the gory violent death scenes they were necessary imo. They have to fulfill that requirement once in awhile.
sonycowboy
Member
Uhhhh... That was the exact point of the whole freaking episode. To break Rick. Killing Abraham didnt' do it. Killing Glenn didn't do it. Threatening the group didn't do it. Making him get the axe didn't do it. He still could see Rick was still thinking he could get out of this. It took making him cut his own's son arm off to finally break him.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
I think he wanted to show a larger world than what the current show runners and AMC wanted. Having one off episodes that show isolated stories that, that are actually interesting and give an unseen view of how things fell apart.
The soldiers story would have been amazing, and its something that hasnt really been done in zombie media outside of World War Z (the book). Think about an episode about government officials trying to figure out what to do as multiple cities start falling at the same time. I mean, the entire military situation could easily be the most interesting aspect, learning about the response, to where different divisions held up, how many are left, where our Navy fleets ended up.
All of this could easily be set ups for stories around the universe of the show, and instead of exploring it, AMC fired the guy who gave them this money basket and made FTWD, which had like 2 episodes about the fall of civilization.
Uhhh, and? My point is that the entire driving section + zombie kill scene was just a filler so that they could get the zombie kill count to above 0 and get the proper run time. His plan to break Rick by doing the drive around and making him run into a smoke filled road was really bad considering Rick could have easily been bit or simply mauled to death by zombies. Considering he pegged Rick as the leader + he obviously has done enough zombie killing, why would this possibly break him? Negan would know better than to think this would work.
Anyone with a brain knew that using a man's son against him as leverage would be one of the most obvious breaking points, we didn't drive around because it was important to the story, we drove around because they didn't have any idea how to fill out the rest of the episode to keep it a 43 minute run time and make sure the story didn't advance past the kidnapping + execution scene.
JuanLatino
Member
probably on of the if not the most disturbing tv moments for me.
I knew that Glenn will die, i was fully expecting it, and also its not like i didn't see brutal scenes in movies/games or Shows
But seeing one of the main Character die, that was on the show since the start (and i liked glenn) in such an brutal way...damn it was horrible, disturbing, sick
I knew that Glenn will die, i was fully expecting it, and also its not like i didn't see brutal scenes in movies/games or Shows
But seeing one of the main Character die, that was on the show since the start (and i liked glenn) in such an brutal way...damn it was horrible, disturbing, sick
I dont know if his stance has changed, but back when I read the comics Kirkman had vowed to never explain anything about the virus or introduce things like super zombies because he wanted that aspect of the series to feel like a force of nature, while the narrative focuses on people and their attempts to rebuild society rather than chasing a cure.
I know hes not head writer of the show but he does seem to have a much heavier haand in things these days.
Yeah, Negan better watch out for that future serial killer
Not sure if bad acting or on purpose.
Probably bad acting. Could've at least given the guy some eye drops or something.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
I do feel bad, considering the world shits on him every time he is on screen.
But... yea, they really didn't think about the "down the road" stuff when they cast him back in season 1 about if he could act, because he really can't.
I mean he wasn't even breaking a sweat when his dad was about to chop his own arm off.
Yea I do hope it pivots at one point. I think overall i'm done watching it week in and week out. I'll still follow the storybeats tho.
I do wonder what the original series would have been if Durabont was still the lead showrunner after season 1. That season 2 trailer showed some stuff that never happened like them apparently returning to that nursing home from s1 to see it overrun with walkers. A lot of this stuff was never used in s2 other then the sophie stuff.
I wonder if he has actually been taking acting lessons while on the show. I don't mean that in a snarky way, he probably could legit use them.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
They apparently had a lot of unusable footage from the first episode. My guess is trying to make a show good on a restricted budget means you get a lot of shit that looks like trash because you didn't have enough time to get the scenes in place, which is why Frank got fired and is now suing them for like 200+ million.
It makes me sad thinking about Darabont and what this show could have been (as well as completely avoiding the Season 2 + Season 3 bullshit).
I just think some people can act, and some people can't. It wasn't as bad when he was a kid, because kid actors are almost always horrible (with notable exceptions like the Lady Mormont who is GOAT). His character is too important in the comics to kill him off early on, and at this point you can't really re-cast him, so now they are stuck with a major character who just can't act. Wouldn't be shocked if they either kill him off soon or move any type of major plot arc to some other character like they have done in the past with mixing and matching.
I feel bad, because I'm sure the kid knows he's out of his league, but he really does detract from any scene he is in.
I don't know what it is about seeing comic book panels coming to life in live action that gets me so excited, but Glenn's death was one of those moments. I was excited at the same time I was grossed out 
I was grinning like an idiot during Batman v Superman for the same reason ¯\_(ツ_/¯
I was grinning like an idiot during Batman v Superman for the same reason ¯\_(ツ
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Carl kid grew up to be quite a dull actor. Dragged the episode down. Maybe the director told him to be emotionless because he's become emotionless growing up in the apocalypse
More_Badass
Member
Rewatching early scenes, it's crazy seeing how much the characters have changed
Also I never noticed how many cut scenes were in that trailer. Those scenes in the cemetery, the nursing home, the group hiding in a boarded-up building
Ragnarsson
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More_Badass
Member
That Season 4 cliffhanger was really something else, huh? The group reunited but trapped in a seemingly hopeless situation. But Rick got a plan
Guess AMC knows what they're doing.
Audioboxer
Member
Next week better go down to 8.5~9m to contain all those quitting!
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