graywolf323
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oh it definitely happens here, we even had someone busted just recently
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“Xbox Fans Are Paid”, Says Former World of Warcraft Designer
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
No one is saying, "Phil admits he's paying for Xbox fans." Stop making stories in your head.
ZehDon
Member
This you?
No one is saying, "Phil admits he's paying for Xbox fans." Stop making stories in your head.
I imagine you'll reply with a version of "I never said the exact words: 'Phil admits he's paying for Xbox fans.'". This is because you're actively promoting a narrative while trying to keep your hands clean. The irony of this in context is so dense that Matthew McConaughey could use it to fucking time travel.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
How does any of this really differ from all the press kits and treatment influencers get. Like being flown around the world for final fantasy events on the 11th June and being given huge god of war hammers, ps5s, xboxs starfield will have a huge press kit.
Is this not all the same?
Is this not all the same?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
damn bro
adamsapple
doing overtime in this thread.
adamsapple
doing overtime in this thread.
Mephisto40
Member
I don't really see how hiring dudes to throw glitter over your product on forums is the same as press kit's, no
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
So he's just some guy on Twiiter then.
Freelance Yakuza
Member
Yes, it is the same strategy to some extent.
The only difference is that MS was caught using a guide.
I think the issue in this case is that we have all seen at some point a completely obsessed MS fan to a level that is not seen in any other company. So personally, I think MS's strategy goes further. Are you familiar with the now-defunct YouTube channel "Xbox Mil grau"?
Xbox cut ties with Brazilian Youtuber "Mil Grau" for racist comments
DON'T SEARCH FOR THE "XBOX MIL GRAU" TWITTER. It has spoilers of Last of Us 2. Translation: "The content of the Mil Grau account does not reflect our fundamental values of respect, diversity and inclusion. We already demand the immediate removal of our brand from your channels, through social...
Microsoft's strategy doesn't only involve payments, but intentionally creating a context where fans become disciples who will spread the company's message, defend it against its "enemies," and believe that the only rational choice is to purchase their products. Psychological warfare.
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TBiddy
Member
I have to admit. I love when a smug poster like him gets burned like this.
cireza
Member
We have evidence that Microsoft hires people for their "evangelizing teams." And Phil Spencer also wanted to use "evangelizers" to promote xCloud.
Read point #19 in this post for more details: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/ctrl...lols-we-found-during-ftc-vs-microsoft.1658430
Zathalus
Member
... what?
Is the insinuation that everyone on Linkedin secretly works for Microsoft?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
"Phil wanted to use evangelizes to promote xCloud" =/= "Phil admits he is paying for Xbox fans"
The first one came from Phil's own emails presented in court.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Have you seen the lot you're replying to? Anyone whose been in the same building with a PC running on Windows is an M$ $hill.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
You forgot to link to your circle jerk thread.
But congrats on doing literally what he said you would do
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I didn't realize that a purely informative and objective thread hurt you so muchYou forgot to link to your circle jerk thread.
But congrats on doing literally what he said you would do
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A.Romero
Member
People that get hired for that stuff doesn't really give a shit. If people don't come forward when it happens related to politics and more important stuff, they certainly won't for video games (they have NDAs in place too).
Do tell.
The Fuzz damn you!
Gold Member
Yes, that was the humorous insinuation.
No, I don’t actually think there is a LinkedIn conspiracy.
I thought it was obvious, but… yeah, I should have known better.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
How about if I tell you I shared receipts with
Mod of War: Remastered
that specifically says Xbox is giving "an army" of people free consoles, storage disks and Gamepass just to influence positive affinity and they went after certain tech review websites giving them exclusive articles because they felt they were anti Xbox and wanted to sway them to be pro Xbox and this comes from the guy at the time who was right below Phil Does that count?
Zathalus
Member
Well, with the stuff floating around here about Microsoft I thought you might be serious.
My bad.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
If you do that, he would likely lash out at you, accuse you of something weird, and deflect by saying "well, all companies do that."How about if I tell you I shared receipts with
Does that count?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Nah, he is just mad that Phil's "evangelize" email got leaked, and I added it to my thread.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
How about if I tell you I shared receipts with
Does that count?
Not doubting your credibility or anything but saying that 'companies pay influencers' is like saying 'water makes you wet'.
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Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
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Sony-Ericsson Starts US$5M Astroturf Campaign - Slashdot
lairdb writes "The WSJ reports today (31Jul02) that Sony Ericsson will be marketing their new T68i cellphone/camera combo unit via "shills" to create a grassroots buzz. Specific tactics will include fake tourist couples at popular attractions asking bystanders to take their picture, and...
slashdot.org
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Very true but from my conversations I feel its slightly different when you target sites that I wouldn't consider an influencer and basically try to pay them enough money to make them like you moreNot doubting your credibility or anything but saying that 'companies pay influencers' is like saying 'water makes you wet'.
- YouTube
Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.
Sony-Ericsson Starts US$5M Astroturf Campaign - Slashdot
lairdb writes "The WSJ reports today (31Jul02) that Sony Ericsson will be marketing their new T68i cellphone/camera combo unit via "shills" to create a grassroots buzz. Specific tactics will include fake tourist couples at popular attractions asking bystanders to take their picture, and...slashdot.org
And I am sure other companies do it as well
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
cireza
Member
That's the same for every console manufacturer and publisher...
cireza
Member
Good to see that you are already aware of it.
GHG
Member
How about if I tell you I shared receipts with
Does that count?
You shouldn't even need to do that. Florian Mueller was posting here under a different alias and we've had several instances where posters have been regurgitating xbox PR/marketing word for word before it even hits public channels. Nevermind the fact that so many of them that behave a particular way seem to have a never ending revolving door of alt accounts (many of which were created years ago as if in anticipation) in order to stay on mission.
It's all a very structured approach and it's been that way since the Xbox One launch. I've active on these forums long enough to have pretty much seen it all.
The people who are in denial of this aren't serious individuals.
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GHG
Member
I've been missing out for years, let me shoot a DM to Aaron
You laugh but individuals like Klobrille don't stick at it for as long as he has for nothing. They've set a precedence where it's known that if somebody fanboys hard enough for them for long enough, eventually they will give them recognition and reward.
Considering you're doing this crap across several forums you're not far off my boy. Keep going.
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cireza
Member
You guys have never received brand new consoles and games with nice reviews guides and recommended sentences to put in your videos/articles. Saying that this is an Xbox exclusive is a complete joke.
Console manufacturers WILL control communication as much as they can, take down early videos that don't go their way, and blacklist sites (not providing reviews copies) if the ratings given by the site are not good enough. This has been verified for both Sony and Nintendo in the past.
Console manufacturers WILL control communication as much as they can, take down early videos that don't go their way, and blacklist sites (not providing reviews copies) if the ratings given by the site are not good enough. This has been verified for both Sony and Nintendo in the past.
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Victor Omega
Member
There are some "Xbox fans" here on gaf.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Seriously. "Press kits" (high value gifts) and paid travel are intended to get people to throw glitter on your product on a much larger scale. Astroturfing is more insidious than the gratuitous nature of the obvious gifts given to media and influencers. It's harder to distinguish between astroturfing and people who just love a product.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Are they in the room with us?
kvltus lvlzvs
Member
360 was my favorite console of that gen, haven't played a current console since (thought I bought a used ps4 about a month ago). all the big companies seem inauthentic.
All this complaining about exclusives between MS and Sony is funny, because imho the only console that has a truly significant number of exclusives is the switch. Almost all of the big Sony exclusives come out on PC eventually (besides bloodborne lmao) and all MS stuff is already on PC. That being said, all of the Sony stuff that DOESNT make it to PC pretty much just seems like moviegames to me, which I am not interested in.
Either way, I hope MS isnt allowede to make the aquisition because it would be bad for gaming. The history of Microsoft in general absolutely points to that and idk how anyone could see otherwise. That being said, actiblizz is a stain on vidya as well, with activision being a giant ip death monstrosity and blizz being a hollow zombie husk of their former selves.
All this complaining about exclusives between MS and Sony is funny, because imho the only console that has a truly significant number of exclusives is the switch. Almost all of the big Sony exclusives come out on PC eventually (besides bloodborne lmao) and all MS stuff is already on PC. That being said, all of the Sony stuff that DOESNT make it to PC pretty much just seems like moviegames to me, which I am not interested in.
Either way, I hope MS isnt allowede to make the aquisition because it would be bad for gaming. The history of Microsoft in general absolutely points to that and idk how anyone could see otherwise. That being said, actiblizz is a stain on vidya as well, with activision being a giant ip death monstrosity and blizz being a hollow zombie husk of their former selves.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
"Sony too! Sony too!".
Deflect, deflect, deflect.
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ToTTenTranz
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thismeinteil
Member
Lmao, it's funny how accurate this was. It's their MO. Gaslight until the receipts show up and then say, "well, all companies do this." Or if Sony does something, blast them and their fans until it's revealed MS is worse and back to the standard, "well, all companies do this." Almost like they're following a playbook.
MS truly is a cancer on this industry, now.
MasterCornholio
Member
mansoor1980
Member
sad and miserable
thismeinteil
Member
Not sure. But, for MS it's obvious. Take DF, for example. During the 360 vs PS3 gen, DF, a technical gaming channel, naturally was going through a game with a fine tooth comb, looking for things like the amount of grass. Especially during that gen when quite a few games favored 360, and they were quick to recommend that system.
You jump to the beginning of PS4 vs XBO, where it was just a stone hard fact that the PS4 was more powerful, and DF was downplaying the difference. Making it seem like 720p/900p vs 1080p wasn't that big a deal, when before something like 720p vs 640p was, and the game would look great on which ever console you prefer. Of course, they started getting called out on it and had to drop that shit.
ChorizoPicozo
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ChorizoPicozo
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TheGodfather07
Member
People didn't know this?
Freelance Yakuza
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