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1000 mile road trip test in an ICE Audi Q5 vs Tesla Model S vs Mustang Mach E
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Fbh
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Pretty interesting video.
The whole real time range display is probably the main thing that would stress me out going on a roadtrip with an electric car, just based on my experience with every other battery operated device I own. (like how my phone will jump from 20% to 5% in 2 seconds or how my laptop will tell me I have 2 hours of battery left but then 20 minutes later under the same load it's down to 40minutes).
So it's good to hear that a lot of manufacturers have opted to under promise or use a more realistic energy consumption rate instead of the ideal one.
I also wonder if these range calculations take battery degradation into account.
The whole real time range display is probably the main thing that would stress me out going on a roadtrip with an electric car, just based on my experience with every other battery operated device I own. (like how my phone will jump from 20% to 5% in 2 seconds or how my laptop will tell me I have 2 hours of battery left but then 20 minutes later under the same load it's down to 40minutes).
So it's good to hear that a lot of manufacturers have opted to under promise or use a more realistic energy consumption rate instead of the ideal one.
I also wonder if these range calculations take battery degradation into account.
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a multicultural team of v
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DS4 controller.
FunkMiller
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Cool. I’d very much like for my next car to be electric, and I’m kinda figuring another couple of years will see the UK infrastructure good enough to allow it conveniently everywhere.
Coolwhhip
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That has to be the most expensive model then. And Ford will not make many of the F150 lightning.
DaleinCalgary
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Don’t own any of them outside of warranty
Unknown Soldier
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"If Apple can improve their build quality, they will just keep destroying other brands."
Actual Apple users: ???
Coolwhhip
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StreetsofBeige
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Would be interesting to know what a more accurate time difference is if they had the same break/food times. The guy said there were some variables, but between the Audi and Tesla, if one group took an extra half hour relaxing on break that's a lot.
Never the less, I'll always be a gas guy. Way more better cars and selection and for me, I dont want to mess around searching for charging stations. The Tesla ones used in the video were all superchargers along highways. Not all Tesla stations are superchargers and as seen in the video's charging station map he'd show, there's tons of dead space where there's not a charging station for probably a 100+ mile radius. It looks like some states literally had one station, but then a popular highway on the east coast has tons of them.
The purpose of a car is convenience and getting from Point A to Point B. Not going from Point A, look for an off route spot to charge and then Point B. That Mustang route was ridiculous. Gas stations are everywhere and when was the last time someone had to drive to another gas station 50 miles away because one gas station had all broken pumps?
Never the less, I'll always be a gas guy. Way more better cars and selection and for me, I dont want to mess around searching for charging stations. The Tesla ones used in the video were all superchargers along highways. Not all Tesla stations are superchargers and as seen in the video's charging station map he'd show, there's tons of dead space where there's not a charging station for probably a 100+ mile radius. It looks like some states literally had one station, but then a popular highway on the east coast has tons of them.
The purpose of a car is convenience and getting from Point A to Point B. Not going from Point A, look for an off route spot to charge and then Point B. That Mustang route was ridiculous. Gas stations are everywhere and when was the last time someone had to drive to another gas station 50 miles away because one gas station had all broken pumps?
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The mustang community doesn’t take the Mach e seriously. It’s not a premium car, it’s just branding.
I don’t think these mandates will last. Maybe some mega cities on the west and east can pull off some bullshit, but most of the country still won’t have numerous chargers in 10 years
I’ll drive my mustang for as long as I can.
I don’t think these mandates will last. Maybe some mega cities on the west and east can pull off some bullshit, but most of the country still won’t have numerous chargers in 10 years
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True, but I normally hate trucks but this one got me excited.
Unknown Soldier
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Once the EV transition reaches an inflection point, gas stations will start closing en masse. People don't realize that something like 80% of gas stations are independently owned and operated, they will not be able to survive without the current volume of ICE engine cars.
At the same time, charging points will be increasing at the same rate. Many of the closing gas stations will probably become EV charging points since it's an obvious use of the existing land and infrastructure.
People always underestimate the rate of change until it's really upon them. One day, everyone had flip phones. The next day, everyone had smartphones. That's what it will be like. People said "I'll always want a keyboard on my phone" and then one day they just realized they didn't need a keyboard on their phone. Once people realize how superior EV driving is to ICE they will all want to transition pretty quickly.
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HoodWinked
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hmm i wonder if there is a market for charging stations, not like the ones which are just an unattended parking lot but something with a quick shop for snacks and drinks. alot of people also don't have a garage so charging it will be a real hassle.
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Mohonky
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That the Telsa doesn't hit its claimed mileage is hardly a surprise, internal combustion cars typically don't either; you only ever get the 'best of' figure.
Ford probably wanted to be a lot more conservative because news getting out of their owners being left stranded across the country side would have left a really bad taste in owners mouths where Tesla already has its name out there as the leading EV brand.
Ford probably wanted to be a lot more conservative because news getting out of their owners being left stranded across the country side would have left a really bad taste in owners mouths where Tesla already has its name out there as the leading EV brand.
I've been mulling it over whether to go for gas or electric for my next vehicle.... and while I really want it to be electric, I'm not entirely convinced on a Tesla due to their poor quality control. Other options seem to rely on Volkswagen's Electrify America network which has tons of problems of its own. Every video I see of someone trying out those charging stations either has a broken charger, unnecessarily convoluted process to pay, or they have to call customer support. Plus the range is basically half of what a gas car can offer.. I know they'll only get better over time but I think it's too early for me to fully commit to electric.
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a multicultural team of v
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I think where you work might fill a big gap here. My place of employment has free EV chargers at a few of our buildings and it just makes so much sense from a convince and logistical sense. Obviously not everyone's work circumstances will allow it, but if a good number of people could be confident that they could leave work with a full charge on any day they need to, that will definitely help ease demand for stations.
Edit: I mean think about it, your car is literally sitting in a lot doing nothing for 8+ hours a day 5 days a week, it's by far the most logical place to tackle the charging issue.
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StreetsofBeige
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Ya. Its pretty obvious car companies max distance wont be hit unless it's a controlled lab experiment. Everyone "should" know that whether its gas or electric.
But for electric, max distance is important to sell the car. For gas cars, a car not hitting it's max distance nobody really cares because there's gas stations everywhere. I dont think many people analyze the claimed km/liter vs. real life in a gas car. But maybe for electric, people do. For gas cars, I dont think most people even now the max distance anyway. They just know that Civics and Corollas will inherently be or assume the best mileage, while a sports car is probably the worst.
StreetsofBeige
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I know some people who have electric cars. They seem to be fine with it. You've already done some research so youve probably already considered all the factors. At the end of the day, as long as you can afford it, be willing to charge your car at home over night, and arent commuting long distances where you'll run into charging issues (there's chargers everywhere in your town or at work so you know you'll never be stranded), and if you are a road tripper you know doing charging pit stops isnt an issue (like the video), then an electric car should work. Also, I'd be weary buying an electric car if anyone lives in a place with bone crushing winters. The battery probably loses a lot of charge.
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