107 killed as construction crane crashes inside Grand Mosque in Mecca
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Yup the Big Ben replica is done
dark_chris
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You should see the Vice article for those comments
I was there today
After 4 pm , a very very strong sand storm hit the place, all over the city
Then 15 min later come another rain storm , really strong one
In half an hour the storm gone and the trees and cars accident every where
I saw the storm almost lifting a car
The winds is the cause of the crane accident
Now many people are waiting in lines in front of hospitals to donate for blood
I can confirm there at least 90 death count only from the crane site
Don't know about other places
This week was very hard on mecca and jeddah
Sandstorm every day , that very uncommon in this area
After 4 pm , a very very strong sand storm hit the place, all over the city
Then 15 min later come another rain storm , really strong one
In half an hour the storm gone and the trees and cars accident every where
I saw the storm almost lifting a car
The winds is the cause of the crane accident
Now many people are waiting in lines in front of hospitals to donate for blood
I can confirm there at least 90 death count only from the crane site
Don't know about other places
This week was very hard on mecca and jeddah
Sandstorm every day , that very uncommon in this area
MHWilliams
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Accidents like that are not good, but that's a horrible time and place for it. May their souls rest in peace.
jufonuk
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RIP.TheRealTalker
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Mecca is a mountainous area and rainfall does occur but strong winds like these are rare
the whole crazy sandstorm sweeping the middle east is rare too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYufZPEmbek
thanks for the info man.... pray for the best
the whole crazy sandstorm sweeping the middle east is rare too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYufZPEmbek
thanks for the info man.... pray for the best
DonasaurusRex
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up to 87 now huh, i assume the number will grow if many more are missing, terrible accident. Last i heard storms may have been severe and been a cause?
Tinfoilhatsron
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Nothing else happened on September 11 but the 9/11 terror attack and this. Nothing.
Just poking fun.
RIP to those in the accident. Was it the construction company's fault?
I don't think we can blame anyone for this
No one was gonna predict this winds to do that
maybe the angle of that crane made it fall, but we can't put the blame to any one
but .. if we want put the blame on someone , it will be on the presidency of meteorology and environment ,
because they should know there is big storm is coming and should warren the people
The death toll has now risen to 107 fatalities. We were lucky it happened during a lull, had it fell during prayers the death toll would've been massive.
It'll be interesting to see how the deal with the hajj. The crane fell right in the middle of the mas3a (the path pilgrims jog between the safa and marwa hills) which is an essential part of the pilgrimage. I don't know if they can make the area safe for use in time. They may have to limit the numbers or even cancel the hajj!
As for blame, the recriminations are flying. Some blame the crane company (Saudi Liebherr), the building contractor (Binladin or Nesma depending on who you ask). Some are blaming the meteorology department for not issuing a severe weather warning.
We'll see who gets scapegoated.
It'll be interesting to see how the deal with the hajj. The crane fell right in the middle of the mas3a (the path pilgrims jog between the safa and marwa hills) which is an essential part of the pilgrimage. I don't know if they can make the area safe for use in time. They may have to limit the numbers or even cancel the hajj!
As for blame, the recriminations are flying. Some blame the crane company (Saudi Liebherr), the building contractor (Binladin or Nesma depending on who you ask). Some are blaming the meteorology department for not issuing a severe weather warning.
We'll see who gets scapegoated.
Messofanego
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Thanks for the insight. Yeah, I don't remember sandstorms or thunderstorms in Mecca when I lived there from 1996-2002.
Sandstorms in that region are rare, but are becoming more common in recent years thanks to climate change. Rain and flood though is nothing new.
Mohonky
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Looking at the area, there doesn't even look like there is anywhere to lower the booms, with all thise cranes stationed in such a highly built up area, I doubt you could do shit to lay the booms down.
Bad as this might sound due to the aftermath, but watching something like that crane going over would be something. The forces at play would be huge.
Rip. Stories with cranes falling and killing people are just frightening.
Pretty much. As bad as the weather was it should have been prevented and even if we can't completely predict the external factors (or their strength) the areas with potentially devastating risks should have been considered. But it's Rustynails so he'll usually defend Saudi Arabia and his other beloved Gulf States for most of the things related to them, all while he keeps speaking for Middle Eastern people.
How is this person not banned yet? Making fun of the dead, just pathetic.
He probably means since a lot of them are in the country as labourers, they might as well be slaves. I doubt the Saudis pray in the same place as the peasants.
Everyone prays at the same place there. Only people who get exception are foreign diplomats and VIPs where they shuffle everyone out for them. In fact it once lead to a huge crowding that resulted in a large number of people dying,
So you are telling me the king prays there as well?
hemo memo
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There's no difference between a billionaire and a worker and they all wear white in Mecca/Hajj you know that right?
Dumb statement defended by an ignorant one.
Saudis pray in the same place as all others.
No, for the same logistical reasons that Obama doesn't walk into any Church.
But I have heard Salman walking in on multiple occasions unlike previous kings ..
Then not everyone prays there, something tell me he isn't that distinguishable if they all wear the same clothing. You're also crazy if you think the billionaires who are used to an insulated lifestyle pray there, not a chance.
Did you notice the part where I said exception are made for diplomats and VIPs? They do go to the same place (as in, they have to go to the same places other worshipers go to perform Haj), but it gets emptied out for them.
hemo memo
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Mecca is not for Saudies. I'm a Saudi, Mecca is for Muslims and we don't get a special treatment and we don't want that. and yes the billionaires pray there because they're doing it for their religion and follow the steps like every muslim. There's no secret hallway for special people.
Yes, then you can't say everyone prays there if it gets emptied out for VIPs. That is a pretty good distinction to point out.
I never said all Saudis but the rich ones, I know not every saudi is filthy rich. Also Islam is not a nationality dude, so why are you comparing them as if they were different things?
Same place at the same time then.
This is fucked up. I really hope they can do something about building material safety but idk what can be done about sandstorms and such.
Thanks for the info. Look after yourself out there.
hemo memo
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I'm just saying that in Hajj there's really no difference, people wear the same cloth follow the same steps. No poor or rich, no social status every one is treated the same (or that what should be) because that what the religion say. Yes, I get that my government is not perfect and this whole disaster maybe could've been avoided.
Rest in peace to those who passed away and prayers to thier families.
No excuse. Then you secure it to a building or secure its base. Or literally anything other than letting it sit there.
Messofanego
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wut
RustyNails admitted that there's probably negligence involved. I've never really taken him to be a Saudi or Gulf country propagandist. This post doesn't seem indicative of a defense force:
Missile Defense
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And the people there are 100% sure this was not a terrorist attack?
Phat Michael
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What the hell are you talking about?
hemo memo
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87 people who lost their lives a joking matter to you?
Dragon1893
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Edit: wrong thread, sorry, was going to post here afterwards.
Anyway, this is really tragic, so many lives.
As someone who works in construction I'm always paranoid with cranes, they can do a lot of damage.
Anyway, this is really tragic, so many lives.
As someone who works in construction I'm always paranoid with cranes, they can do a lot of damage.
Holy shit
well thats an issue with western news, too overly desensitized.
as long as theres a warning before hand then shocking/graphic footage should be shown by news networks
TheRealTalker
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107 people now
Yes Saudi's pray there and Yes rich Saudi's pray in the same exact mosque at the exact same time.... usually if they're government officials they pray near the Imam
and Yes the people who dead were pilgrims and not workers since 2 days prior work was concluded.... and Yes some Saudi's did die
Of course it wasn't a terrorist attack but strong winds that peaked to 80km/h
and also Mecca and Medina follow different construction rules then the rest of the cities in the region.... a few months back people had a protest for more break hours and it was granted to them
Usually the workers are from established construction forms with experience then random labour due to their expertise and the large scale and complexity of these projects.
Yes Saudi's pray there and Yes rich Saudi's pray in the same exact mosque at the exact same time.... usually if they're government officials they pray near the Imam
and Yes the people who dead were pilgrims and not workers since 2 days prior work was concluded.... and Yes some Saudi's did die
Of course it wasn't a terrorist attack but strong winds that peaked to 80km/h
and also Mecca and Medina follow different construction rules then the rest of the cities in the region.... a few months back people had a protest for more break hours and it was granted to them
Usually the workers are from established construction forms with experience then random labour due to their expertise and the large scale and complexity of these projects.
RustyNails
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The hell is your problem? Saying that this crane falling is not systemic failure is somehow defending KSA? Yeah get lost.
Yes. No matter the status, the holiest place to pray is in Mecca for every Muslim.
Discotheque
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pretty terrible tragedy. I wonder how feasible it would be to halt major constructions like this or at least be a lot more safety oriented. I know it's one of the most densely populated places in the world but the safety of the pilgrims should be way more important than accommodating room for more.
TheRealTalker
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well they did halt construction 2 days prior and were going to suspend all construction until some time in mid October
Alas this storm hit.... The are doing a probe/investigation on the crane currently
With all the cranes there, the large crowds and the horrific collapse I hope the construction companies go over their engineering safety controls with a fine tooth comb.
Look at all the cranes in photos. It could easily happen again if they are all installed the same way.
For the sake of future visitors they need to fix them asap.
Look at all the cranes in photos. It could easily happen again if they are all installed the same way.
For the sake of future visitors they need to fix them asap.
Terra Firma
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It could also be argued that the king doesn't get the best spot to pray since royalty and VIP rarely get the first rows due to safety concerns.
Also, unless you're a diplomat or royalty, wealth won't buy you VIP status so you will see millionnaires praying side by side with the janitors.
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