107 killed as construction crane crashes inside Grand Mosque in Mecca

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Saw a video of the aftermath.

Some guy was moving around a mat and blood was just gushing around it, it was pretty horrible.

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Seems like it got posted in this page.
 
I came home yesterday after I saw this thread and my mother told me that her brother left her a message from the Grand Mosque. My heart dropped. I asked her when she received the message and thankfully, it was after I saw this thread (so he's fine). It's scary to think what would have happened if this dropped during Hajj. Thousands of people all over the world would be mourning the loss of loved ones.
 
hemo memo said:
There's no difference between a billionaire and a worker and they all wear white in Mecca/Hajj you know that right?
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Oh yeah? Who did they build that ugly, Big Ben wannabe hotel for?

Agence France-Presse said:
In reference to the housing component of the plan, al-Sheikh added that it was intended to house pilgrims to Mecca, and said "this is in the interest of Muslims all over the world"
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I wonder which of these pilgrims can afford a 5 star hotel accommodation during hajj, and which will be spending their nights in tents?
 
Heshinsi said:
Oh yeah? Who did they build that ugly, Big Ben wannabe hotel for?

I wonder which of these pilgrims can afford a 5 star hotel accommodation during hajj, and which will be spending their nights in tents?
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Actually a bunch of pilgrims use that hotel every year.... The royal family have another place/palace were they stay in....

I hate that building too due to its tacky design and being very close to the Haram but it is 100% fully used... Even the crescent is a lunar observatory and prayer room

Plus people only sleep in those tents when they are at Mina... the city core is Kilometers away and all the rest of the routines are done in that area so there isn't any time to go back to the city core until your done
 
Heshinsi said:
Oh yeah? Who did they build that ugly, Big Ben wannabe hotel for?



I wonder which of these pilgrims can afford a 5 star hotel accommodation during hajj, and which will be spending their nights in tents?
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Trust if you can afford Pilgrimage, you can afford 5 star hotels. The whole thing is really expensive so no need to use ''privilege'' card during the month when that card can be used for a different occasions regarding the middle east

Also alot of those 5 star hotel are tacky and not as comfortable as you may think. I rather sleep in tents because at least I can socialise with a lot of people as well.

Walpurgis said:
I came home yesterday after I saw this thread and my mother told me that her brother left her a message from the Grand Mosque. My heart dropped. I asked her when she received the message and thankfully, it was after I saw this thread (so he's fine). It's scary to think what would have happened if this dropped during Hajj. Thousands of people all over the world would be mourning the loss of loved ones.
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Good to hear your uncle safe and sound, but yeah, luckily it happened a week before the Hajj, that accident would have had a bigger impact if it happened a week or 2 later :/
 
Heshinsi said:
I wonder which of these pilgrims can afford a 5 star hotel accommodation during hajj, and which will be spending their nights in tents?
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Most people live in crowded apartments around the city during their stay because it's so expensive. Staying at the hotels near the mosque is only an option to people who have a lot of money to burn, and even then you'll have to register super early.
 
Suen said:
Rip. Stories with cranes falling and killing people are just frightening.


Pretty much. As bad as the weather was it should have been prevented and even if we can't completely predict the external factors (or their strength) the areas with potentially devastating risks should have been considered. But it's Rustynails so he'll usually defend Saudi Arabia and his other beloved Gulf States for most of the things related to them, all while he keeps speaking for Middle Eastern people.
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where did rustynails suddenly pop up in this. He said there was a chance of negligence involved so I don't know where suddenly this personal pinpointing is coming from?
 
The transformation of Mecca from a Muslim Holy Site where people should be closest to Allah to a place of decadence, opulence, and the extreme opposite of the spirit of modesty is one of the most devastating and heartbreaking things I have ever seen as a Muslim. The expansion of the surrounding areas and the Grand Mosque itself to the Bin Laden company is a symptom of this, and in my eyes this tragic event is indirectly caused by that as well. WTF what they're thinking still allowing throngs of people accessing areas under construction, especially with heavy machinery/equipment like that. Extremely irresponsible.

If Prophet Muhammad SAW is still alive today I am very sure that he will be extremely disappointed by the state of Mecca as well :/
 
Laughing Banana said:
The transformation of Mecca from a Muslim Holy Site where people should be closest to Allah to a place of decadence, opulence, and the extreme opposite of the spirit of modesty is one of the most devastating and heartbreaking things I have ever seen as a Muslim.
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I expressed the same thing to my gf when this happened. :(
 
TheRealTalker said:
and also Mecca and Medina follow different construction rules then the rest of the cities in the region.... a few months back people had a protest for more break hours and it was granted to them

Usually the workers are from established construction forms with experience then random labour due to their expertise and the large scale and complexity of these projects.
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I don't know if this is supposed to be reassuring.
 
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Saudi Arabia's King Salman sanctioned the powerful Saudi Binladin Group Tuesday over the collapse of a construction crane at Mecca's Grand Mosque, which killed more than 100 people days before the hajj pilgrimage.

An investigative commission had concluded that the company "was in part responsible" for Friday's tragedy, which killed at least 107 people and injured almost 400 during a severe thunderstorm accompanied by violent winds

The company had not "respected the norms of safety" at the site, the official Saudi Press Agency said.

The firm's executives have been forbidden from leaving the kingdom pending the completion of legal action against the company, SPA said.

During the same period, the company will also be excluded from new public projects.
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http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-king-sa...vbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjA5MzVfMQRzZWMDc2M-
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015...dType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...ecca-crane-collapse-firm-150915153431625.html
 
King Salman also ordered to give the families of the deceased or injured a 1m riyal ~$270k .

Our hearts goes to all people affected by this.
 
RustyNails said:
If I were one of the execs, I would be shitting bricks and sweating bullets right now.
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You honestly think the Bin Ladin group really cares? 270k is a drop in the bucket and I doubt any of the executives or owners are going to be ostracized for it.
 
Aceofspades said:
King Salman also ordered to give the families of the deceased or injured a 1m riyal ~$270k .
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I was doing more research on this before posting. Has he ordered it? The last I heard, the $300,000 figure came from analysts that said the insurance congracts stipulated that they cover $300,000 in case of loss of life due to a "natural disaster".
 
Trojita said:
You honestly think the Bin Ladin group really cares? 270k is a drop in the bucket and I doubt any of the executives or owners are going to be ostracized for it.
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270k is provided by the Saudi government

we don't know what the BL group will be charged for... their not allowed leaving the country until then
 
Trojita said:
You honestly think the Bin Ladin group really cares? 270k is a drop in the bucket and I doubt any of the executives or owners are going to be ostracized for it.
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Its $33 million, which comes to $300k each family. Still a very paltry figure but lools like the lawyers are all over this. Also, I'd be afraid of not giving the money, but incurring the wrath of the king. The road from there to the executioner's table is short. I could be wrong and they use their lawyers/connections to get off easier.
 
Trojita said:
You honestly think the Bin Ladin group really cares? 270k is a drop in the bucket and I doubt any of the executives or owners are going to be ostracized for it.
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I think money should be the very least of their concerns. I'd be fucking afraid to see what the verdict might be.
 
Trojita said:
You honestly think the Bin Ladin group really cares? 270k is a drop in the bucket and I doubt any of the executives or owners are going to be ostracized for it.
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This number is given by the Saudi government as a consolation for the affected people, the invistigation is still going .
 
I'm guessing that's just to cover burial costs and lost wages for the families in the short term. Muslim tradition demands that bodies be buried as soon as possible, often the same day.
 
RustyNails said:
Its $33 million, which comes to $300k each family. Still a very paltry figure but lools like the lawyers are all over this. Also, I'd be afraid of not giving the money, but incurring the wrath of the king. The road from there to the executioner's table is short. I could be wrong and they use their lawyers/connections to get off easier.
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Not many were really punished for the floods and i expect the same here.
 
NEO0MJ said:
Not many were really punished for the floods and i expect the same here.
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Honestly who can you blame for the floods? We didn't have an underground flooding system. It was only after the floods that they started the tunnel/sewage projects. That was more nature than negligence. Here negligence seems to play a bigger role.
 
Ela rahmat alah.

Always-honest said:
117???!! wow.. that's insane. How could it happen?
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Negligence, apparently.

My father and brother were there at the time of the accident, the 20 or so minutes between between hearing about this and finally being able to contact them was devastating. Can't imagine how it was for the victims families.
 
RustyNails said:
Its $33 million, which comes to $300k each family. Still a very paltry figure but lools like the lawyers are all over this. Also, I'd be afraid of not giving the money, but incurring the wrath of the king. The road from there to the executioner's table is short. I could be wrong and they use their lawyers/connections to get off easier.
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NEO0MJ said:
Not many were really punished for the floods and i expect the same here.
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Yeah people here getting all excited and talking up execution and what have you are way off. This isn't China.

RustyNails said:
Honestly who can you blame for the floods? We didn't have an underground flooding system. It was only after the floods that they started the tunnel/sewage projects. That was more nature than negligence. Here negligence seems to play a bigger role.
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WHAT? Rainstorms and flash floods have been a feature of Hijaz life since antiquity. It's not new or unknown at all. Jeddah had flood defenses at the time, but they didn't work due to serious corruption, including illegally selling residential plots in a flood plain RIGHT BEHIND A FUCKING DAM. That was a much bigger scandal and nobody really got punished.

However I do suspect the Binladins are going to be thrown under the bus. Them being publicly named like that is unprecedented, and that investigation was awfully quick.
It doesn't help that rumours have been swirling for a while that the deputy crown prince has been trying to push them out in favour of Nesma (which is owned by the Turki family but is alleged that MBN is their silent partner).

When Bakr Binladin suddenly resigned last month twitter shitstirrer Mujtahed claimed that it was in response to Saudi Binladin being stripped of the holy mosque project.
So I think there's a real risk that the Binladins will share the same fate of fellow Hadhramis the Binmahfouz who lost their empire when BCCI collapsed in the 90s. The government took over their bank (NCB) and most of their assets.
 
Last boxing day a mosque was spared in a tsunami in indonesia and the muslims were saying it was divine intervention. I wonder what they are saying about this incident?
 
wachie said:
What a time to crack the joke.
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It's not a joke, what makes you think it is? After 9/11 they were flown out of the US on special flights, at least now they're being forced to remain in Saudi Arabia until this is settled.

This incident:
Saudi Arabia's King Salman sanctioned the powerful Saudi Binladin Group Tuesday over the collapse of a construction crane at Mecca's Grand Mosque
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The firm's executives have been forbidden from leaving the kingdom pending the completion of legal action against the company
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After 9/11:
CBS News: Bin Laden Family Evacuated
Two dozen members of Osama bin Laden's family were urgently evacuated from the United States in the first days following the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, according to the Saudi ambassador to Washington.
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driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret place in Texas and then to Washington
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They left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks.
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I am not commenting on the dead people from either this incident or 9/11, both are obviously horrible tragedies... I'm commenting on the wealthy/powerful Bin Laden family...
 
7aged said:
WHAT? Rainstorms and flash floods have been a feature of Hijaz life since antiquity. It's not new or unknown at all. Jeddah had flood defenses at the time, but they didn't work due to serious corruption, including illegally selling residential plots in a flood plain RIGHT BEHIND A FUCKING DAM. That was a much bigger scandal and nobody really got punished.
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What? I didn't even know Jeddah had flood defenses. I thought the reason why the floods happened was because of the lack of canal system. However, since the floods there have been canal construction everywhere, including building new dams. As for punishment, I remember reading the news about businessmen, engineers and planners being convicted this year. That caused a little stir. Not really sure if that was just for show.

Comparing the two is not apt, by the way besides the similar death toll. This Haram crane collapse has been playing nonstop on CNN over the weekend. It's a national embarrassment.
 
Trojita said:
You honestly think the Bin Ladin group really cares? 270k is a drop in the bucket and I doubt any of the executives or owners are going to be ostracized for it.
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You should read up the rest of the post - basically the SBG is shut out of the grand mosque expansion project AND excluded from all future public projects.

That's the big blow, the compensation is not.
 
Sayad said:
Ela rahmat alah.

Negligence, apparently.

My father and brother were there at the time of the accident, the 20 or so minutes between between hearing about this and finally being able to contact them was devastating. Can't imagine how it was for the victims families.
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Okay thanx.

Wow that must have bee scary as hell.
 
Sayad said:
My father and brother were there at the time of the accident, the 20 or so minutes between between hearing about this and finally being able to contact them was devastating. Can't imagine how it was for the victims families.
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حمد الله على السلامة

I can imagine the terror of that moment.
 
Update Pic Summarizing the orders
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Victims can file lawsuits.... I wonder if they will
 
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