KneehighPark
Member
Yeah this is abysmal. im pretty sure this is a case of them lowballing employees because they know that they can always find someone who is willing to work for practically nothing in order to work in their 'dream industry'
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$12 per hour the norm for entry-level video game industry positions (@GungHo Online)?
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BudokaiMR2
Member
I always get jealous reading stuff like this, since it is pretty abysmal in Japan as well for the most part.
In my experience it always seems to be justified here by the fact that there are so many national holidays.
Which fucking sucks because I don't want to travel at the same goddamn time as every other person in the entire country!
Shivvy_NTL
Member
Wtf thats bs! Youre better off working at retail or something for the same pay. Hell i get paid 18 just to work as a casual at pizza store. Find something else man.
JustSomeone
Member
12$ per hour is a lot more than the minimum wage in my country...
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Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
LMAO that's what I was offered for a temporary volunteering position earlier this week. Absolutely disgusting.
veloxStrix
Banned
I worked at Amazon and made more than this, got better benefits, and had 10 Vacation days, 20 unpaid days a year, and 10 or so paid days off.
KneehighPark
Member
Yeah I was going to say; I work in manufacturing in Florida. Started out at a company at $12.5 an hour with 16 personal/sick days, 10 vacation days, two shutdowns a year (8 days off you can take unpaid or use your PTO) and 6% 401 K matching and health benefits. I have some college experience but plenty of people do the same job with just a high school diploma. After a year and change most people get an additional $2 or so per hour in raises.
The video game industry can be very cruel.
We settle for less. Lots of ignoring the rest of the developed world, ignore-ance to facts and data, and straight up propaganda get in our way.
We believe what people get is usually surmounted solely on will. This would be fine, if one was an author of action in any facet in their lives.
Your countries minimum wage couldn't pay for an apartment in LA by itself, assuming no other bills and no food.
Makes me want to just kill myself sometimes to be honest. Entire situation needs an overhaul for actual livability.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Qualifications just put you in line for jobs other people aren't qualified for. Better jobs with the same pay.
webkatt
Member
$12 is shit. Especially if they are in El Seg. You may think this is a way to get your foot in the door but it's a dead end.
You can focus test at a minimum of $15 per hour but usually it's a flat rate per day of $200-$300. Depends on the company. The downside is that it isn't steady work.
You can focus test at a minimum of $15 per hour but usually it's a flat rate per day of $200-$300. Depends on the company. The downside is that it isn't steady work.
In Puerto Rico is $7.25 like the US. And the US suggested to lower it to $4.25 to at least people under 25 years old, because of the fuckups by the government.
My last job was $7.25 at a store. This is me with a BA in graphic design (which amounted to nothing), working on customer service, sometimes until 4AM, carrying over 400lbs sometimes 24 times a day (with a crappy palletjack at least), cleaning bathrooms, doing dishes, trash, cashier, training, inventory, etc...
...and no healthcare, vacations when they approved them (which in my case was never and ended with 45 days accumulated in nearly 5 years) and sicks days were non-existent.
Which is why this $12 jobs sound great to me actually. That and healthcare alone would be great. But a gym and even catering every month, snacks...foood!!!
dukeoflegs
Member
QA in the game industry here in the puget sound area can be anywhere from $12 to $18 an hour for entry-level. Now outside of the game industry is a different topic, you can easily make double that doing software testing.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
My easy ass factory job is around 18$..... and I live in Ohio. That is definitely not the norm. Can't be.
Dangansona
Member
They do, and it's a fucking disgrace. The US is one of less than 10 countries in the world that don't guarantee a single day of paid vacation, and the only other one you have heard of is Sri Lanka. China has us beat.
But hey, what a socialist and anti-free market move that would be.
In Puerto Rico is $7.25 like the US. And the US suggested to lower it to $4.25 to at least people under 25 years old, because of the fuckups by the government.
My last job was $7.25 at a store. This is me with a BA in graphic design (which amounted to nothing), working on customer service, sometimes until 4AM, carrying over 400lbs sometimes 24 times a day (with a crappy palletjack at least), cleaning bathrooms, doing dishes, trash, cashier, training, inventory, etc...
...and no healthcare, vacations when they approved them (which in my case was never and ended with 45 days accumulated in nearly 5 years) and sicks days were non-existent.
Which is why this $12 jobs sound great to me actually. That and healthcare alone would be great. But a gym and even catering every month, snacks...foood!!!
But how much would you expect to pay on rent? $12 an hour gets you roughly $2000 a month. A one bedroom apartment in LA can run 2k and up by itself.
Vacation time generally requires you to provide atleast two weeks advance notice
Personal days are basically sick days without the preface of being sick.
If you're actually sick and don't have anymore sick time then depending on the company, it'd get pulled from either your personal days or vacation time.
gate stormer
Member
I know of grocery stores (Aldi) that pays $12 an hour for cashiers.
Agent Unknown
Member
Obvious bit of $12/hr for a bachelor degree level job in the tech industry, you know something is gravely wrong when people who worked for retail, grocery stores and Amazon are saying they had it better.
SpartanSlayer117
Member
In Puerto Rico is $7.25 like the US. And the US suggested to lower it to $4.25 to at least people under 25 years old, because of the fuckups by the government.
My last job was $7.25 at a store. This is me with a BA in graphic design (which amounted to nothing), working on customer service, sometimes until 4AM, carrying over 400lbs sometimes 24 times a day (with a crappy palletjack at least), cleaning bathrooms, doing dishes, trash, cashier, training, inventory, etc...
...and no healthcare, vacations when they approved them (which in my case was never and ended with 45 days accumulated in nearly 5 years) and sicks days were non-existent.
Which is why this $12 jobs sound great to me actually. That and healthcare alone would be great. But a gym and even catering every month, snacks...foood!!!
I'm in Puerto Rico as well. I have a Bachelors degree in IT but I worked a $7.25 job for 5 years(not related to IT) with no benefits. Now of course the cost of living here is super low and that $7.25 goes a long way. A $12 job seems pretty good over here, trust me i know how good it sounds to us here lol but for living in the states it's truly horrible.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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ShinMaruku
Member
For the requirements that would be commensurate with a better value than that.
I would err and say 30 a hour would be fine. A well utilized community managager can do decent work
AbandonedTrolley
Member
Honestly is 10 vacation days considered normal out there in America?
Here in the UK I started out on 23 days, bank holidays and 6 sick days. Others have much more where there are no limits on paid sick.
Here in the UK I started out on 23 days, bank holidays and 6 sick days. Others have much more where there are no limits on paid sick.
Mattakuevan
Member
Yes unfortunately. And thats usually only if you have an office job. Retail/Service tends to be worse.
RedAssedApe
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seems low at least based on all the tasks it sounds like you'd be handling.
but gym and 401k matching and snacks! lol
but gym and 401k matching and snacks! lol
It varies by person. So one that might get a job that pays $2k a month won't necessarily pay $2k in rent every month.
Either by living with roomates, or family, friends or a smaller place, or something else.
Then again, I know people in the US that work literally to pay rent and have a part time job for food and misc. things.
Of course.
But as a starting job is not as bad. Definetely not for a family, but for a young person trying to make contacts and possibly go to events to meet people around gaming. It also varies by the individual.
As someone that's worked in the games industry for over 12 years, that seems very very low for the type of work they're asking for. I was getting paid 12 bucks an hour as a tester back in 2003 before I landed my first "pro" job as an artist.
12x40= 480 a week
480x4 = 1920 a month, then take out 33% for taxes leaves you with 1267 every month for all your expenses in Los Angeles... good luck with that.
12x40= 480 a week
480x4 = 1920 a month, then take out 33% for taxes leaves you with 1267 every month for all your expenses in Los Angeles... good luck with that.
SneakersSO
Member
Pay in most position across the industry outside of a few technical position (and even then, you need to be mid-sr. to get pay equivalent to similar position in other faces of the tech industry (i.e. a software engineer @ Google vs. EA)) are drastically low, especially when compared to similar job titles & the fields that hire them.
You would be amazed at some of the technical knowledge dev-embedded QA guys utilize on a daily basis & are stuck making $13 p.h or less.
I actually have a recent horror story of a very big dev. who let a person walk to a position out of the industry that had a much higher growth ceiling, benefits, & pay for what literally amounted to pennies. And this was a person who had been with them for years; who knew their systems in & out, and would take months/ a year to train a new hire to get them at that level of proficiency.
You would be amazed at some of the technical knowledge dev-embedded QA guys utilize on a daily basis & are stuck making $13 p.h or less.
I actually have a recent horror story of a very big dev. who let a person walk to a position out of the industry that had a much higher growth ceiling, benefits, & pay for what literally amounted to pennies. And this was a person who had been with them for years; who knew their systems in & out, and would take months/ a year to train a new hire to get them at that level of proficiency.
gate stormer
Member
The process of having to find a new job sucks. My last one I was working through an employment agency and was let go by the company because of various instances that were out of my control.
Within the span of of 9 months, I missed 5 days straight due to strep throat and the flu. My wife had one day that was a medical emergency, and the instance for which I was canned involved me being late for legitimately not hearing my alarm for some reason.
Thankfully I have a new job starting soon making almost twice as much.
Within the span of of 9 months, I missed 5 days straight due to strep throat and the flu. My wife had one day that was a medical emergency, and the instance for which I was canned involved me being late for legitimately not hearing my alarm for some reason.
Thankfully I have a new job starting soon making almost twice as much.
Definitely, both the gaming and vfx industry.
SneakersSO
Member
Hah, what you were getting paid to start as a QA Analyst in 2003 is the same that QA Analysts get paid to start now. And yes, this is in LA.
Well, is your country as expensive to live in as California?
DieAntwoord
Banned
Suddenly my 23/hr being a fiberoptic splicer and technician doesn't seem nearly as bad as I thought. And I average more vacation and sick time earned.
eso76
Member
Generally lower salaries though, especially in my country.
I mean, the average salary for my position in the US is almost 4x the money I make here, though I suspect I'm comparing before taxes to after taxes
matrixman92
Member
whats even the fucking point. Go work somewhere else where less work is required and get paid more. Costco for example would probably be better
25 days holiday. Not including weekends, health insurance in my role, (we have 8 bank holidays a year in UK) so really 33 days holiday.
Plus I work for a Chinese company. go figure the benefits 😁
Sick pay for 6 months than drop to half pay, them the government adds to it.
Still that $12 is still higher than our min wage, but only just.
Plus I work for a Chinese company. go figure the benefits 😁
Sick pay for 6 months than drop to half pay, them the government adds to it.
Still that $12 is still higher than our min wage, but only just.
Yup. Its about same here (Finland), get full time job and you get 4 weeks paid vacation (first holiday might be shorter, depending when you started job), next year you get one more week thus having 5 paid vacation weeks in a year. Then you get about ½ months salary as called "Annual holiday bonus".
If any of you want to know more read here: Guide to work in Finland (This website has been jointly created by the national labour market confederations of Finland.)
AcademicSaucer
Member
I have 30 days a year and unlimited sick days , I don't know how people in the US put up with that shit.
If it requires a degree it should definitely be more than a measley $12/hour, considering all the responsibilities involved as well. However, if you can't get in anywhere else how else will you get into the industry and gain the experience?
Also, only 10 days leave??? I don't know what the norm is in the US but in the UK I get 29 paid vacation days
Also, only 10 days leave??? I don't know what the norm is in the US but in the UK I get 29 paid vacation days