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[Cow Mengde]

I think you qualify for at least being reviewed for mental screenings when you rape your sister.. as theres precedent for abuse leading children to abuse others. Isn't it ok, for this one..?

I think education is more of a problem. For example, does a child that age even understand what's wrong with incest?

BTW, I'm not saying he might or might not have mental problems. Just that some of this seems like lack of education to me.

 

[Lautaro]

I think education is more of a problem. For example, does a child that age even understand what's wrong with incest?

He's 13 not 5.

 

[meltingparappa]

This kid obviously has deep mental issues. But hey, continue ignoring mental illness and blame everything else.

Didn't you hear? There are no mental illnesses. Just people needing to pick themselves up by the bootstraps. I read that on a forum once.

 

[Dr.Acula]

Some people are just fucked up. A serial killer didn't murder animals when they were 12 because they saw Mario jumping on Goombas, they murdered animals because they were insane. The reason this 13 year old raped his sister was because he's fucked up. It's not the parents, or video games, this kid is effed in the head.

 

[Cow Mengde]

He's 13 not 5.

I can barely grasp sex when I was 13.

 

[Alienous]

I think education is more of a problem. For example, does a child that age even understand what's wrong with incest?

Neglecting that, the kid knows that raping someone is wrong and still does it. He targets her "because she wouldn't remember".

You don't go from 0 to rape like that. There were signs, surely, that the parents ignored. And if they weren't privy of them, they'd have to be neglectful. Lazy, absentminded. Sickening.

Some people are just fucked up. A serial killer didn't murder animals when they were 12 because they saw Mario jumping on Goombas, they murdered animals because they were insane. The reason this 13 year old raped his sister was because he's fucked up. It's not the parents, or video games, this kid is effed in the head.

So some incest child rapes are just unavoidable then?

I don't understand that reasoning. For something this severe to occur they has to have been telltale signs that the parents ignored. Has to. I think it's doing an injustice to the mentally ill if the thought is that this rape occurred, simply, 'because insanity'.

 

[Dark Octave]

Where are the parents?

I want them in jail.

They probably didn't even know the Xbox could do all that, it's been updated so much from what it was originally. I wouldn't expect parents to keep up or even know that they need to.

Also, this incident probably happened within the span of a few munites. No parent is hovering over their kid every second of the day.

 

[OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather]

Why does it have to be that the kid has mental issues or was abused?

Not all of us wants to rape someone after being exposed to porn, but that doesn't mean kids aren't curious about these things. Why can't it be a case of the kid not knowing any better and letting his curiosity get the best of him?

Now I'm not saying my theory makes this tragic news any better. I think people just ignore the fact that kids are easily influenced at that age. You're telling me you never had stupid thoughts when you were that age? It doesn't have to be sexual, but you could be curious about other things and do stupid shit. Some of it might be driven by peer pressure, or not knowing any better.

I think better communication on sex is in order.

Saying a rapist has a mental illness is not the same as saying people with mental illnesses are rapists. And curiosity getting the better of you doesn't fly either. 13yo is old enough to know that raping someone is not right and any curiosity should end there. The fact that it didn't for this kid shows that there may be some mental issues going on there. Maybe something happened to him in his life that caused them, maybe not, but well adjusted people, even most with mental illnesses, do not get curious about sex only to go on and rape their little sister, or anyone else for that matter.

Didn't you hear? There are no mental illnesses. Just people needing to pick themselves up by the bootstraps. I read that on a forum once.

Oh, I wonder what forum that was!

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

I need to ask this but;


can a normal person rape someone? I have been told, and it's always been my understanding that rape is not about sex but about domination. Not to be confused with drug rape, which is just being a creepy asshole, the physical violence of raping someone who is fearing for their lfie, cannot be achieved by someone who is stable, mentally.


Thus I ponder - can you even blame porn for this? Can a normal person, or child watch something and then decide to do it. I mean, I understand curiousity. I've had friends who masturbated when they were children and found their parents porno movies.

but we are talking about raping. The idea of kids having access to porn is extremely uncomfortable, and I feel porn is not for kids.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Geez kid ya sound like a Ted Bundy level reaction to porn. ...porn on 360 tho? Too young to handle a 360 and the internet not mature enough.

 

[Kinitari]

Basically every child saw pornography or sex at his age, and has started to become aware of it. Children "experimenting" with each other is not new, and has happened since well before the internet - we're just a lot more sensitive and aware of the repercussions now of something like this happening.

I need to ask this but;


can a normal person rape someone? I have been told, and it's always been my understanding that rape is not about sex but about domination. Not to be confused with drug rape, which is just being a creepy asshole, the physical violence of raping someone who is fearing for their lfie, cannot be achieved by someone who is stable, mentally.


Thus I ponder - can you even blame porn for this? Can a normal person, or child watch something and then decide to do it. I mean, I understand curiousity. I've had friends who masturbated when they were children and found their parents porno movies.

but we are talking about raping. The idea of kids having access to porn is extremely uncomfortable, and I feel porn is not for kids.

I don't think anyone is "normal" - in that we all deviate from our neighbors significantly, mentally. That being said, rape is a very complicated subject, biologically especially in instances like in the OP. I don't think this had anything to do with domination, but I don't know enough to be sure.

But sometimes kids experiment sexually, and sometimes kids do the wrong thing, and sometimes that overlaps.

 

[Lautaro]

Some people are just fucked up. A serial killer didn't murder animals when they were 12 because they saw Mario jumping on Goombas, they murdered animals because they were insane. The reason this 13 year old raped his sister was because he's fucked up. It's not the parents, or video games, this kid is effed in the head.

Exactly.

I can barely grasp sex when I was 13.

Well, I envy your innocence. At 13 I was fantasizing with the new concept of a blowjob.

 

[OriginalNameGuy]

Watching porn didn't flip a switch in his brain and turn him into a rapist. Hell the boy told the police he thought he had an easy target in his little sister. No, this boy knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[commedieu]

They've failed as parents. They are no good to either of the children. Yes, the child needs to be monitored, but by his parents? Nope.

"Other fail safes" is extremely vague. I say they should both be charged with the crime their son committed.

Im very much fine with that.. charging the parents, wherever they are. But also, we need to start figuring out how to define other fail safes, its a welcome discussion to be had once we see that the fail safes are needed. I just think theres too much responsibility put on parenting, when a lot of households aren't ran by 2 responsible parents. Its finger pointing at people who aren't necessarily there, and it just repeats when children are involved in horrible crimes. Need another backup plan as a society, to take care of that %.

 

[diaspora]

I'm confused... How in the fuck does watching porn incite the desire to rape an 8 year old?

 

[Ryck]

When I was 13 and looked at nudes, the last thing going through my mind was raping someone.

Was thinking the same thing... wtf.

 

[kmax]

I'm not going to judge the kid. He could be mentally handicapped or have some other underlying mental problem that would make him do this atrocious act. Still, this is completely sickening.

I feel so bad for his little sister.....poor girl.

 

[Saya Brea]

I don't have much to add to this conversation, but he made an active decision to hurt another human. I can only hope one day he comes to understand the pain he has caused.

His choice has caused the freedoms of another to become restricted, and no matter how brief or long, that is inexcusable.

The blame lies not with the parents, but with the teenager who failed to foresee or care about the impact of his actions.

 

[Devolution]

I need to ask this but;


can a normal person rape someone? I have been told, and it's always been my understanding that rape is not about sex but about domination. Not to be confused with drug rape, which is just being a creepy asshole, the physical violence of raping someone who is fearing for their lfie, cannot be achieved by someone who is stable, mentally.


Thus I ponder - can you even blame porn for this? Can a normal person, or child watch something and then decide to do it. I mean, I understand curiousity. I've had friends who masturbated when they were children and found their parents porno movies.

but we are talking about raping. The idea of kids having access to porn is extremely uncomfortable, and I feel porn is not for kids.

Kids find porn at that age. We have to accept their ability to access it. I found it myself. That's why education is more important than ever especially when it comes to consent. They can process what's going on but porn is so wide and varied, who knows what he exposed himself to. If parents refuse to teach their kids what sex is truly about and they stumble across porn as their first exposure to the very idea of it, they'll come out with a warped understanding sure. But with the proper foundation from their parents about what sex really is and a short little talk about how porn are all kinds of "fantasies", much of this problem gets averted.

 

[Bo-Locks]

Teenager rapes sister. Blame ISPs.

 

[GungHo]

He said he had chosen his sister because she was small and ‘couldn't remember stuff’.

Holy shit. How does that thought pattern even have a genesis?

 

[Cow Mengde]

Saying a rapist has a mental illness is not the same as saying people with mental illnesses are rapists. And curiosity getting the better of you doesn't fly either. 13yo is old enough to know that raping someone is not right and any curiosity should end there. The fact that it didn't for this kid shows that there may be some mental issues going on there. Maybe something happened to him in his life that caused them, maybe not, but well adjusted people, even most with mental illnesses, do not get curious about sex only to go on and rape their little sister, or anyone else for that matter.

This is anecdotal, but I have a very weak understanding of sex at 13. I knew the word rape and that it's bad, but I didn't understand the act of sex. I would have thought it was touching a woman in appropriately. Like I can't grasp the idea because I just don't understand.

How many 13 year olds are mature enough to understand the power, danger, and taboos of sex?

 

[Devolution]

Holy shit. How does that thought pattern even have a genesis?

Often from abuse because they were in the same position.

How many 13 year olds are mature enough to understand the power, danger, and taboos of sex?

Maturity doesn't have much to do with it. I knew kids who were fucking at 12. Some realities have to be accepted and accounted for. This includes young teens being exposed to sex. That's why education is a must.

 

[Alienous]

They probably didn't even know the Xbox could do all that, it's been updated so much from what it was originally. I wouldn't expect parents to keep up or even know that they need to.

Also, this incident probably happened within the span of a few munites. No parent is hovering over their kid every second of the day.

The kid is 13 years old. That is plenty old enough to know right from wrong, and it's clear he knew what he did was wrong. How a 13 year old rapist couldn't have shown signs of something to even moderately attentive parents is beyond me.

I blame the parents, and they should blame themselves. Absolutely.

 

[Dr.Acula]

So some incest child rapes are just unavoidable then?

I don't understand that reasoning. For something this severe to occur they has to have been telltale signs that the parents ignored. Has to. I think it's doing an injustice to the mentally ill if the thought is that this rape occurred, simply, 'because insanity'.

The same way school shootings are "unavoidable." You're never going to have a society 100% free of anti-social, violent, malevolent individuals. We had damaged 13 year olds raping their own sisters before Porn, or XBoxes even existed. And if we banned everything down to books, it will still happen.

Maybe people ignored the warning signs, but I do not believe a mentally well adjusted 13 year old watched a porn one day and then thought to himself that the logical next course of action was to rape his own sister.

I'm being a little harsh, there were probably warning signs, I don't mean "temporary insanity" I mean this kid was mentally ill beyond regular "mental illness." I've known plenty of people that have been through the system, and while when they're manic they can have a lot of difficulty with reasoning, they don't just become criminal. I don't think a mentally ill person is any more likely to rape than the general population, but someone that young to rape his own sister is deeply disturbed beyond being bipolar or something.

 

[Lautaro]

The kid is 13 years old. That is plenty old enough to know right from wrong, and it's clear he knew what he did was wrong. How a 13 year old rapist couldn't have shown signs of something to even moderately attentive parents is beyond me.

I blame the parents, and they should blame themselves. Absolutely.

What signs? being horny at 13? please

 

[Dr.Acula]

What signs? being horny at 13? please

Signs like touching his sister inappropriately, exposing himself, sneaking into her room at night etc. He must have built up to this.

 

[Bazza]

I found my dads stash of porn video's when I was 12 or 13, definitely didn't rape my sisters.

 

[commedieu]

I think education is more of a problem. For example, does a child that age even understand what's wrong with incest?

BTW, I'm not saying he might or might not have mental problems. Just that some of this seems like lack of education to me.

Well. We can speculate about education, but we can know that the general trend of children that are molested, is that they project that pain onto others. With that general knowledge, I don't see whats wrong with a multiple faceted approach. Education combined with a base mental check or screening, or counseling where you could potentially learn from the child what exactly is going on in the household. This contributes to the body of knowledge on sibling rape, and makes for more thorough education.

Forcing yourself on your sister, isn't normal. And im not sure a pamphlet would be taken too critically from an individual that would rape their sister after watching porn.

 

[Koppai]

This happened with my boyfriends nephew and niece. He has some kind of mental problem because one time she screamed when her brother came in and the parents came and saw him and he was hard and her underwear was off.

It's sad that a lot of kids have mental problems these days, but it sounds like this kid knew what he was doing since he said "because she wouldn't remember."

Sicko!

 

[Lautaro]

Signs like touching his sister inappropriately, exposing himself, sneaking into her room at night etc. He must have built up to this.

Did he? there's nothing like that in the OP.

 

[Alienous]

The same way school shootings are "unavoidable." You're never going to have a society 100% free of anti-social, violent, malevolent individuals. We had damaged 13 year olds raping their own sisters before Porn, or XBoxes even existed. And if we banned everything down to books, it will still happen.

Maybe people ignored the warning signs, but I do not believe a mentally well adjusted 13 year old watched a porn one day and then thought to himself that the logical next course of action was to rape his own sister.

The onus is on the parents to keep track of their children and their behavior. As you said you don't as a rational person decide to rape your own sister one day. And I feel confident that the warning signs were glaring in such an extreme event to any parent who cares to investigate.

What signs? being horny at 13? please

I can't imagine such a calculated, extreme event being an isolated evil action from the 13 year old. Can't fathom of it. And if that didn't pique his parents prying then it is their fault for missing the signs.

 

[Dark Octave]

The kid is 13 years old. That is plenty old enough to know right from wrong, and it's clear he knew what he did was wrong. How a 13 year old rapist couldn't have shown signs of something to even moderately attentive parents is beyond me.

I blame the parents, and they should blame themselves. Absolutely.

I'm not understanding how the parents should have known their kid was capable of something like this and should be sent to prison for not being psychics. What "hints" do rapists who are under age give off anyway? Interests in women? That's just unreasonable.

 

[Saya Brea]

Signs like touching his sister inappropriately, exposing himself, sneaking into her room at night etc. He must have built up to this.

I think you assume too much. Judging from the fact that he said he chose her because "she wouldn't remember" this was well premeditated.

 

[Dice//]

Why does it have to be that the kid has mental issues or was abused?

Not all of us wants to rape someone after being exposed to porn, but that doesn't mean kids aren't curious about these things. Why can't it be a case of the kid not knowing any better and letting his curiosity get the best of him?

Now I'm not saying my theory makes this tragic news any better. I think people just ignore the fact that kids are easily influenced at that age. You're telling me you never had stupid thoughts when you were that age? It doesn't have to be sexual, but you could be curious about other things and do stupid shit. Some of it might be driven by peer pressure, or not knowing any better.

I think better communication on sex is in order. I see this as more of a case of poor education and being young and stupid.

I definitely believe a lot of factors are at play here. Between consoles, parents, head state, etc.
It IS messed up, I guess the question is what's in his head that made it a good idea at the time?

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

The whole know "she is young and can't remember stuff" tells me that he knew exactly what he was doing, and how fucked up it was.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

This is so sickening. Poor girl, poor sweetheart. She'll take a long time to start trusting boys if her own brother could do this to her.

I have a feeling the boy was probably abused previously or seen something traumatic.

Yeah, there's got to be more to it than this. Perhaps explicit material should be censored to an extent from kids his age, but normal boys don't watch porn and then consider rape. I wonder if he's a delinquent with a history of violence and/or aggression to begin with.

 

[FourMyle]

absolutely disgusting

 

[Dr.Acula]

Did he? there's nothing like that in the OP.

I think you assume too much. Judging from the fact that he said he chose her because "she wouldn't remember" this was well premeditated.

I just mean from other stories I've read about these kind of incidents, that in most cases there are usually other incidents and signs prior.

 

[Alienous]

I'm not understanding how the parents should have known their kid was capable of something like this and should be sent to prison for not being psychics. What "hints" do rapists who are under age give off anyway? Interests in women? That's just unreasonable.

It's probably a crime to expose, or allow exposition, of pornography to minors. Neglect, to some degree.

It isn't about them being psychic. If there weren't any signs then I feel sorry for them. But that's unlikely for something as severe as this. There had to have been warning signs they ignored that led to this.

 

[Saya Brea]

I just mean from other stories I've read about these kind of incidents, that in most cases there are usually other incidents and signs prior.

That's understandable, but in this case there is nothing to infer such behavior, just rape.

 

[Lautaro]

I just mean from other stories I've read about these kind of incidents, that in most cases there are usually other incidents and signs prior.

Signs or not, I imagine parents tend to trust their kids, they are not hovering all the time seeing if they are showing signs of being rapists or serial killers. I just think is unfair blaming them in this case (unless new evidence appears).

 

[Devolution]

That's understandable, but in this case there is nothing to infer such behavior, just rape.

You don't necessarily know that. We can't know for sure one way or the other, we aren't the parents.

 

[jgmo870]

He said he had chosen his sister because she was small and ‘couldn't remember stuff’.

...this sounds like something a rapist would say, not a sexually curious kid.

 

[Alcotholic]

Video games did it. Ban video games.

 

[Saya Brea]

You don't necessarily know that. We can't know for sure one way or the other, we aren't the parents.

From this singular story there is nothing to infer about previous behavior. If another one comes out suggesting there was, then that would be different. You can't use evidence that doesn't yet exist.

 

[Dr.Acula]

That's understandable, but in this case there is nothing to infer such behavior, just rape.

Well, you can't say that for sure. This story hasn't indicated any other behavior. It also doesn't say that the boy was an Eagle Scout who helped out at church every Sunday and walked in Take Back the Night demonstrations.

The narrative is that he watched some porn on a console and went "all rapey."

I'm willing to bet that this kid was probably disturbed before this incident, and that there were signs.

 

[Nicktendo86]

You know, rapists and other criminals also have parents.

Being a good parent could reduce the chances of having a rapist son but it won't eliminate them. Maybe parents are guilty in this specific case but I doubt the wisdom in assigning blame to parents for the crimes of their children.

I was referring to jack straw saying the onus for preventing kids access to porn should be with isps it I disagree and say it should be with the parents.

 

[ishibear]

There's gotta be more to this. Plenty of 13 year old's watch porn, but rarely do they think to target their siblings and rape them to experiment. Poor girl, she didn't deserve this. Her brother has gotta have some sort of mental illness for him to even think it was remotely acceptable.

Even his defense of "she's so young, she won't remember it." Is alarming in of itself. They need to seriously watch him and get him and his sister some counselling. She needs all the help she can get to recover and cope with the trauma, he needs to be monitored because he sounds like a psychopath in the making...

 

[Devolution]

From this singular story there is nothing to infer about previous behavior. If another one comes out suggesting there was, then that would be different. You can't use evidence that doesn't yet exist.

There's nothing to indicate he was a precious angel before it happened either. You're not making sense. My point was you can't say "the signs weren't there" or "the signs were there." We haven't a clue because we don't know this child or his history.