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[Sword Familiar]

Ban video games, porn and 13 year olds. It's the only way.

Seriosly though, wtf. I had access to porn at the age of 13, but the thought of raping someone never crossed my mind, let alone anyone in my own family.

 

[Zoe]

Signs like touching his sister inappropriately, exposing himself, sneaking into her room at night etc. He must have built up to this.

If there were warning signs, they were probably more of a sociopathic nature rather than overtly sexual. Those can be hard to catch because he would probably know how to cover it up.

 

[Dr.Acula]

Signs or not, I imagine parents tend to trust their kids, they are not hovering all the time seeing if they are showing signs of being rapists or serial killers. I just think is unfair blaming them in this case (unless new evidence appears).

I don't blame them, I don't blame a mugging victim who walks down a dark alley. People do trust their kids, but sometimes they do so at their peril. Spouses deny the responsibility of their abusers all the time.

That signs weren't seen, or picked up on? I believe it. That there was no history at all? That this boy didn't touch, or molest, or do anything bad to his sister or other children he was around? He had to have.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

While I didn't have access to hardcore porn at that age I had a few nudie magazines. The idea of sexually assaulting someone never entered my mind.

Ugh.

 

[Serick]

+1 for never thinking about rape when I saw porn at 13. I had a computer in my bedroom with internet access... yeah..

The kid is broken on a whole other level.

 

[OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather]

This is anecdotal, but I have a very weak understanding of sex at 13. I knew the word rape and that it's bad, but I didn't understand the act of sex. I would have thought it was touching a woman in appropriately. Like I can't grasp the idea because I just don't understand.

How many 13 year olds are mature enough to understand the power, danger, and taboos of sex?

I don't know. When I was in middle school I remember them teaching us that if you try to kiss a girl and she refuses but you try to force her into kissing you anyway, it's rape. They teach this sort of thing in middle school around here, so I definitely had an idea about rape and was aware that it is wrong. Regardless of the person's age, "I'm curious about sex, so I will force myself onto my little sister" is not a healthy line of thought and I'm sure most 13yos not only know it's wrong, but don't even think in such a manner.

 

[Poltergust]

Wait, how did he view it on a 360? I thought that it doesn't have an internet browser.

Or, at least, I haven't noticed it yet.

 

[Saya Brea]

There's nothing to indicate he was a precious angel before it happened either. You're not making sense. My point was you can't say "the signs weren't there" or "the signs were there." We haven't a clue because we don't know this child or his history.

You're right, we don't know. But based on what we have so far it was sudden. I'm not saying he was an angel (far from it), but the story we have now indicates it was a singular action.

With the story we have now it is more fair to assume this was a single premeditated action as opposed to a series of actions and to begin blaming the parents for not noticing.

 

[OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather]

Wait, how did he view it on a 360? I thought that it doesn't have an internet browser.

Or, at least, I haven't noticed it yet.

Porn DVD maybe. Streaming off his dad's PC?

 

[Lautaro]

I don't blame them, I don't blame a mugging victim who walks down a dark alley. People do trust their kids, but sometimes they do so at their peril. Spouses deny the responsibility of their abusers all the time.

That signs weren't seen, or picked up on? I believe it. That there was no history at all? That this boy didn't touch, or molest, or do anything bad to his sister or other children he was around? He had to have.

Too much speculation and too much blaming (not from you) in this thread. We are basically doing the same as the guy that wants to blame ISP: pushing our own opinions in a case we know nothing.

 

[Saya Brea]

Too much speculation and too much blaming (not from you) in this thread. We are basically doing the same as the guy that wants to blame ISP: pushing our own opinions in a case we know nothing.

Well put.

I am terrible with words and I know I come off as abraisive, sorry if I offend anyone.

 

[Perspicacity]

Whether or not there were signs or the parents neglected/abused/whatever the kid, I think we do a shitty job of delivering proper sex education. I don't know if it would have made a difference here but I do know that we shouldn't need campaigns targetting adults to teach them what proper consent is.

 

[Dr.Acula]

Too much speculation and too much blaming (not from you) in this thread. We are basically doing the same as the guy that wants to blame ISP: pushing our own opinions in a case we know nothing.

I feel much more comfortable speculating from my corner than from the "XBox + Porn" corner.

 

[mr jones]

Wow, when blaming goes wrong.

They are going to blame the service provider for them having access to porn? Not good. The end user is who is responsible for what content they consume. Not the ISP.

It's hard for me to place blame on the parents, because of certain circumstances. I was 13 when I first had sex, and was babysitting my sisters when I was twelve. Single mothers have to make due with what they have, right? I never had sex with my siblings.

Maybe I'd go after the parents for not setting up parental locks on the Xbox web browser, but I'd just say that this is an unfortunate event, and put both of the children in counseling.

The fact that the kid decided to do sexual acts with his sister, and claimed that she wouldn't remember is the real issue. That needs to be addressed by both his parents, and a counselor.

 

[Jarate]

Yeah, sounds like the kid is a sociopath.

Pornography though should not be in the hands of kids that young. We've probably all done it, but that doesn't mean it's right

Modern porn does present real life issues to kids who don't know any better. I remember reading about young girls with their boyfriends that would get broken up with because they wouldn't do a facial.

Kids will get their hands on something to fap too, but we should really try our hardest to make sure that we make them avoid pornography, or steering them in directions of softcore pornography.

 

[AuthenticM]

When I was 13 and looked at nudes, the last thing going through my mind was raping someone.

Indeed.

The boy is clearly suffering from mental problems. You just don't rape someone after watching porn. That's not what porn is supposed to do to you.

 

[OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather]

Wow, when blaming goes wrong.

They are going to blame the service provider for them having access to porn? Not good. The end user is who is responsible for what content they consume. Not the ISP.

Net Neutrality creates rapists, yo. We need to do away with it so ISPs can do a better job at blocking and controlling unsavory content on the net. For our own protection.

 

[Vane_MagicCity]

His reasons for targeting her sound like a predator in the making.

To me the issue isn't the accessibility since people his age inevitably find porn, I know I did. The issue is education, consent and honest talks with parents. But parents don't want to do this and it pisses me off.

Many of us were born before the "parents should talk about sex with their kids" phase, that didn't make us rapists.

 

[Poltergust]

Porn DVD maybe. Streaming off his dad's PC?

It's just that... why wouldn't you just use a PC in that case?

Then again, this kid is anything but rational.

 

[Jarate]

Indeed.

The boy is clearly suffering from mental problems. You just don't rape someone after watching porn. That's not what porn is supposed to do to you.

The kid has a tell-tale sign of sociopathy when he says "She was small and wouldn't remember"

This means he was treating his own sister like just another thing in the world, which is not normal


but once again, giving young children hard-core pornography is never a good idea. Which is what he most likely saw. While the porn shouldn't be blamed for the rape, the porn should've never been there to begin with. Sex is an incredible taboo sunject, and giving kids hardcore porn gives them horrible messages about sex and what should be expected. Kids should be taught proper sex acts too, teach them the correct way of having sex before they are shown by online porn.

 

[Jeff Albertson]

Well my little town made the news, for fucks sake what is wrong with people

 

[Devolution]

but once again, giving young children hard-core pornography is never a good idea. Which is what he most likely saw. While the porn shouldn't be blamed for the rape, the porn should've never been there to begin with. Sex is an incredible taboo sunject, and giving kids hardcore porn gives them horrible messages about sex and what should be expected. Kids should be taught proper sex acts too, teach them the correct way of having sex before they are shown by online porn.

He wasn't "given" it, he searched it out.

 

[Dabanton]

Wait, how did he view it on a 360? I thought that it doesn't have an internet browser.

Or, at least, I haven't noticed it yet.

It has internet Explorer.

This kid must have been pretty determined as you have to manually type it in. Makes you wonder what his friends parents were doing If the Xbox wasn't restricted to their age group.

 

[Jarate]

He wasn't "given" it, he searched it out.

I was making a more broad statement from the people saying "I looked at boobies when I was 13, and I never did anything" as opposed to this story.

 

[Devolution]

I was making a more broad statement from the people saying "I looked at boobies when I was 13, and I never did anything" as opposed to this story.

Some people probably saw hardcore materials and didn't end up doing this. It's not advocating that children be exposed to it, it's people talking about how going from viewing porn even as an inexperienced naive adolescent to assaulting your sister rarely happens. It's about there being something else in the equation.

 

[AuthenticM]

I was making a more broad statement from the people saying "I looked at boobies when I was 13, and I never did anything" as opposed to this story.

what ?

 

[EdibleExplosives]

Never mind the porn, why the fuck is the 360 even being mentioned. This just in, some rapist watched porn on his ALBA DVD PLAYER.

 

[Jarate]

Some people probably saw hardcore materials and didn't end up doing this. It's not advocating that children be exposed to it, it's people talking about how going from viewing porn even as an inexperienced naive adolescent to assaulting your sister rarely happens. It's about there being something else in the equation.

The kid has a tell-tale sign of sociopathy when he says "She was small and wouldn't remember"

This means he was treating his own sister like just another thing in the world, which is not normal

But, like I said earlier, it should never be accepted to give hardcore pornography to a child. It gives them horrible ideas about what sex is.

 

[Devolution]

But, like I said earlier, it should never be accepted to give hardcore pornography to a child. It gives them horrible ideas about what sex is.

And it makes just as much sense to say this now and it does then. None what so ever. No one is making this statement.

 

[Elchele]

Maybe the kid is a psychopath?

 

[UrbanRats]

Many of us were born before the "parents should talk about sex with their kids" phase, that didn't make us rapists.

A different million little things "makes a rapist".
Not every kid is the same, not every kid is going to react the same to a certain stimulus.

And all the discussions in the world would end, anyway, with the same bottom line: the parents should sit down and talk with their kids as much as possible.

It's like the discussion of "what is the right age to watch Robocop with your kid?", as convenient as it would be, you won't have a one-size-fits-all answer, and you won't have that answer here, either.

We can assume this kid wasn't exactly well adjust or all that normal to begin with, and it was the duty of the parents to catch up on that and act accordingly.

Maybe the kid is a psychopath?

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean.

It feels like there should be a follow up sentence for it to make any sense.

 

[ModBot]

There's really not a great discussion to be had in response to this news.