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1995 Star Wars VHS Tapes - Prior To Lucas Major Changes

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BojTrek

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My wife had a mint-unopened box of Star Wars: The Original Trilogy on VHS from 1995. I opened them and tried to copy them from VHS to my PC using my digital video camera...

Well... guess what... the copyright protection displayed an error on my digital camera and would not allow it. I waited for the DVD's and was happy...

Anyways, I bought a Pinacle Studio USB 2.0 Movie Box to transfer old VHS home videos directly to the PC and avoid the digital video camera go-between.

I thought, I wonder if VHS movies will work with this Movie Box... YES!

I have just watched Star Wars: A New Hope (prior to Han firing first) and no errors, I was able to get a good copy. I will now be able to burn this to DVD and have a good back of Star Wars: The Original Trilogy prior to any major fuck-ups by Lucas.

I am happy!
 

BojTrek

Banned
Picture #1

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The video looks much better on the PC... so I think the DVD will look good, not as good as the new DVD's. But I will have a good copy of un-Lucas shit...
 

bionic77

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Except for that gay song in ROTJ, I didn't have a problem with any of the changes.

A good tradeoff for the unreal quality of the dvds.
 

btrboyev

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you know you could just save a whole bunch of time and download laserdisc rips.

and those pics really are pretty bad.
 

ManaByte

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Hate to break it to you, but the 1995 VHS releases are something like the 10th revision of the movies. If you have a chance to watch a film print of Star Wars from 1977/78 you'd see a different movie (not just the opening crawl). Beru's voice and performance was very different as were the Mos Eisley Stormtrooper dialog.
 
bionic77 said:
Except for that gay song in ROTJ, I didn't have a problem with any of the changes.

A good tradeoff for the unreal quality of the dvds.


That and Han shooting first, plus besides the unreal quality of the visuals in the DVD you also have the full on 5.1 surround as opposed to 2.0 stereo plus the redone Vader and Emperor scene in ESB IMHO is actually a really nice addition



btrboyev said:
you know you could just save a whole bunch of time and download laserdisc rips.

and those pics really are pretty bad.

yeah seriously if you have to have a copy on dvd before lucas touched them that's your best option
 

Prospero

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I've got a four-cassette box of the Star Wars Trilogy in widescreen from around that time, or before (I don't remember the release year, but it's not the edition with the THX remaster--just Dolby). The fourth cassette is a documentary that's mostly about the making of Return of the Jedi.

That box cost $100 back then, which I thought was highway robbery. It's well worth that to me now, though.
 

Jotaro

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I am happy with the new Star Wars Trilogy DVDs, because I can finally see the movies George Lucas meant them to be seen. To me, this is the real original trilogy.
 

Do The Mario

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ManaByte said:
Hate to break it to you, but the 1995 VHS releases are something like the 10th revision of the movies. If you have a chance to watch a film print of Star Wars from 1977/78 you'd see a different movie (not just the opening crawl). Beru's voice and performance was very different as were the Mos Eisley Stormtrooper dialog.


Holly shit

I have been living a lie!
 

BojTrek

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I have burned the DVD and it actually looks better than the photos I posted... It looks just as good as the VHS tapes running through the VCR... I AM HAPPY WITH THESE BACKUPS!

The quality is obviously not as good as the DVD's recently released... but now I have a backup of the way I remember the films... and yes I know these 1995 were modified a little but they don't have all the added CGI bull-shit...

And yes I know they are George's movies, but he should have put both on the DVD's original and editted. DAMN YOU GEORGE!
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
BojTrek said:
The quality is obviously not as good as the DVD's recently released... but now I have a backup of the way I remember the films

You only ever saw full screen editions?

Seriously, seek out the Laserdisc rips if you're that hard up about everything... I think they have a pro logic track as well.
 

Boogie

Member
Jotaro said:
I am happy with the new Star Wars Trilogy DVDs, because I can finally see the movies George Lucas meant them to be seen. To me, this is the real original trilogy.

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Oh, sorry. You were serious.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Boogie said:
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Oh, sorry. You were serious.

"It's like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I'm sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it." - George Lucas
 

border

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Your mistake is thinking that everyone isgoing to give a shit about what George Lucas thinks. "Wow, this version sucks but I'll watch 'cause Lucas said so".....sometimes even creators can't be trusted to preserve their work. Sometimes you can't even trust them to truthfully represent their original intentions (I'm sure "Weesa Free!" was really what he had in mind in 1982 :lol).

I am still waiting for some dilligent Star Wars fan to come out with THE DREAM PROJECT -- a custom DVD that uses the new restored version for 90%, but has the canonical old scenes from Laserdisc edited into it and some of the obnoxious new scenes removed. If I had a dual-layer DVD burner I might attempt it, but I think the audio syncing might be difficult. It would be even cooler if you could do it with branching paths to select between either the pseudo-original editions or the garish, whored-up versions.
 
I also think you should seek out the laserdisc rips. You made a thread about how you hate buying pan-n-scan dvds, so why are you defending this full screen crap? You know you're not seeing the whole picture, right?
 

Jotaro

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Bah, I did grew up with the old trilogy, but the changes made did not bothered me. I did not saw the trilogy as of yet (I saw the re-release in theaters), and except for the Anakin change at the end of return of the jedi (which was more of a WTF than an outrage), nothing really bothered me.

It's Lucas's movies, I think he can do what we want with them. Sure it's bond to disappoint some, but up to that point I haven't been one of them.
 
BojTrek said:
I have burned the DVD and it actually looks better than the photos I posted... It looks just as good as the VHS tapes running through the VCR... I AM HAPPY WITH THESE BACKUPS!


UGH I really can't watch VCR any more the quality is just such ass compared to dvd
 
The changes to the OT are great IMO. The only thing I don't like is Jabba in New Hope (he stands out too much for my tastes and the scene isn't necessary at all). The replacement of Sebastian Shaw is something I can understand annoying people, but for me it's fine... I think watching the prequels and OT back to back will be better because of it. ROTS has a real chance to make an impact on the way you view the old movies: Organa, Mon Mothma, Aalderan, Yoda, Moff Tarkin, The Emperor, Anakin and his relationship with people around him - cheifly Obi Wan Kenobi. These are things that will affect how you view scenes like the Vader / Obi Wan duel, and that last shot of our ghostly heroes. Maybe we'll understand a little better why Vader, who only ever really wanted to extend the lives of those he loved, ends up throwing the Emperor to his doom... we'll have watched him from annoying brat, through angsty apprentice to Sith lord and redemption. It'll be one hell of a ride IMO. And it'll make Vader's pyre scene so much more effective.

Hopefully it will enhance the viewing experience. Especially for newer generations that aren't embittered by 20 years living with their own vision of Star Wars. These are family films after all.

The DVDs are such amazing transfers, and your screens as great as they are, proove it. I wouldn't watch Star Wars any other way now.
 

ManaByte

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radioheadrule83 said:
The changes to the OT are great IMO. The only thing I don't like is Jabba in New Hope (he stands out too much for my tastes and the scene isn't necessary at all). The replacement of Sebastian Shaw is something I can understand annoying people, but for me it's fine... I think watching the prequels and OT back to back will be better because of it. ROTS has a real chance to make an impact on the way you view the old movies: Organa, Mon Mothma, Aalderan, Yoda, Moff Tarkin, The Emperor, Anakin and his relationship with people around him - cheifly Obi Wan Kenobi. These are things that will affect how you view scenes like the Vader / Obi Wan duel, and that last shot of our ghostly heroes. Maybe we'll understand a little better why Vader, who only ever really wanted to extend the lives of those he loved, ends up throwing the Emperor to his doom... we'll have watched him from annoying brat, through angsty apprentice to Sith lord and redemption. It'll be one hell of a ride IMO. And it'll make Vader's pyre seen so much more effective.

Hopefully it will enhance the viewing experience. Especially for newer generations that aren't embittered by 20 years living with their own vision of Star Wars. These are family films after all.

The DVDs are such amazing transfers, and your screens as great as they are, proove it. I wouldn't watch Star Wars any other way now.

Yeah watching A New Hope now, after knowing what happens in Episodes I-III, it really feels like you're coming in halfway through the story and that it really is the fourth part.
 

Teddman

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radioheadrule83 said:
we'll have watched him from annoying brat, through angsty apprentice to Sith lord and redemption. It'll be one hell of a ride IMO...

Hopefully it will enhance the viewing experience. Especially for newer generations that aren't embittered by 20 years living with their own vision of Star Wars.
Somehow, I don't think so. The newer films just don't have the same tone as the original three, and why anyone would actually want to watch them "in order" is beyond me...
ManaByte said:
Yeah watching A New Hope now, after knowing what happens in Episodes I-III, it really feels like you're coming in halfway through the story and that it really is the fourth part.
It's the old dramatic device of "in medias res." I think the story was much more compelling where it started in the original Star Wars. But if you really needed to know about that all-important trade dispute in Episode 1... ;)
 

Saturnman

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One big problem in the new trilogy is that they didn't make Anakin a nice guy. He's a whiny, arrogant, annoying brat so who cares if he becomes evil, he's half-way there anyway.
 

ManaByte

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Teddman said:
I think the story was much more compelling where it started in the original Star Wars. But if you really needed to know about that all-important trade dispute in Episode 1... ;)

Well, it is important as it was all part of Palpatine's scheme to gain control and implement the first Galactic Empire. He (as Sidious) was controlling the Trade Federation to invade his home planet in order to get himself put in power (by the beurocrats who were under the payroll of the Trade Federation that he was telling what to do). So when the vote came for them to decide who to control the Republic, Sidious told the Trade Federation to support Palpatine and they had the beurocrats place him in power.

The Clone Wars was the second part of that. Sidious used a puppet Jedi to order a clone army so when Palpatine gained full control of everything he'd have an army to do his bidding. Sidious used his apprentice Tyrannus to spark a rebellion against the Republic to create a war that he could use to destroy the Republic and declare himself Emperor.
 
Lucas has himself admitted that Phantom Menace was a disappointment, with McGregor chiming in to a similar effect. I personally think the pacing is a bit awry and there's far too much Tatooine. That's before you factor in any lovable Gungans!

However, I think it does do some things right.

• It portrays the Jedi order in their prime. We can see that they were once well schooled in philosophy and combat and that they keep close council on those they enrol.
• Coruscant looks fantastic.
• The senate and all the political talk is dry, but I think this helps. The more Anakin and others are incensed by quibbling beaurocracy, the more inclined the viewer is to agree. From the first episode we're looking foreward to the end of democracy -- to Episode III.
• Anakin is at this stage totally innocent. In fact he's downtrodden and chipper inspite of it. "Yipee!" and "Are you an angel?" might have been ill-advised lines or perhaps performed better but there's no doubt that Anakin is free from the dark designs of the force here.
• Qui Gon Jinn is the coolest Jedi ever.
• The Prophecy that one will bring balance to the Force. It echoes common tenets in common religions ie. second comings, judgements, the afterlife etc. More importantly it makes clear that all 6 films are about Anakin Skywalker, his life, his legacy, his family.
• Palpatine's plan is already well under way by the time the film starts. His story preceeds the prequels, the true measure of his genius is not fully revealed to the protagonists until he decides to do so. Just like the set up to Return of the Jedi.

Attack of the Clones starts where Phantom Menace left off. With Palpatine watching Anakin's career with great interest. From the beginning of the movie you learn Anakin has become a great pilot, skilled warrior... and a good friend. But you also learn he now has troubles. Anxieties. Fear. Fear leads to yadda yadda yadda remember? Gone is the Anakin that races amazingly in PodRace events, and flies his way through battle & victory on the whim of a fluke. He is replaced by an awkward, arrogant and emotional person about to be derailed by the events in his life. His life being chosen, he being subject of that virgance in the force, means he can fortell the death of his mother. He is powerless to stop it. And his rage is becoming unconcealable. Fear is fast becoming hate. And someone is watching his career, waiting for the right time to use him to their advantage, in order to change the face of the whole galaxy.

Well this is where I think the whole point of these movies lies. Can your emotions and anxieties lead you to do awful things? Can you set out to do what you believe is right and instead do great wrongs? Can others corrupt you? Can they eclipse the good in you? If they do, is that good gone forever, or can you still redeem yourself and your love? Can loved ones learn from your errors? Can they help you to be the person you should be? Make you act in honor and pull you from the depths of darkness & disapair?

These films may be more obviously hammy than their Old Trilogy counterparts, but they weren't completely ham-free themselves. These are expensive takes on sci-fi B movies. They're inspired by flash gordon, spaghetti westerns and samurai movies. And people seem to expect writings on a Tolkien level. They're just fun adventure movies that carry universal mythological themes, and boast awesome lightsabre battles and effects. Anyone can watch them. That the first three made had such charasmatic stars as Ford, Fisher, and the voice of J.E.Jones are just fortunate truths that the first two Prequels couldn't possibly have hoped for.

Nobody else makes anything like these films. To some, they might well be crap. But it happens to be something I really love watching. I'm glad Lucas pursues things his way.
 

BojTrek

Banned
heavy liquid said:
I also think you should seek out the laserdisc rips. You made a thread about how you hate buying pan-n-scan dvds, so why are you defending this full screen crap? You know you're not seeing the whole picture, right?

This will not be my main DVD for watching Star Wars... I will watch the recently released DVD's...

I just really wanted a backup copy of what I enjoyed in the past... I will consider these backup VHS tapes my ORIGINAL VERSION that George forgot to put on his "finally" released DVD's.

Yes it sucks it will be full-screen... but at least they will be close to what I saw in the theaters when I was a kid!
 
What Saved The Phantom menace for me was : Liam Neeson as Qui Gon Jinn and Ray Park as Darth Maul.

Liam is just the best guy in the industry to play a type of mentor. Yoda is awesome, that's true, but Liam has that charisma...

Ray Park... Oh my, awesome presence as Maul. Striking figure and his last fight scene with Ewan was.... well intense.


Take away those two and the Phantom menace would have been a Howard the duck disaster.
 

border

Member
Revenge of the Sith can't work as it should because nobody gives a fuck about any of the characters. They are all so stiff and dry, so lacking in heart. Whether they get killed off or turn to evil or saved isn't really going to matter to me.

Best case scenario is that there are lots of cool action sequences -- that's all I'm really hoping for at this point. We all know that even the prequel fanboys just skip their DVDs past the boring middle 60 minutes.
 

Saturnman

Banned
The Bookerman said:
What Saved The Phantom menace for me was : Liam Neeson as Qui Gon Jinn and Ray Park as Darth Maul.

Liam is just the best guy in the industry to play a type of mentor. Yoda is awesome, that's true, but Liam has that charisma...

Ray Park... Oh my, awesome presence as Maul. Striking figure and his last fight scene with Ewan was.... well intense.


Take away those two and the Phantom menace would have been a Howard the duck disaster.

I feel the same way, especially about Liam Neeson. It's a pity they had to kill him, he was the best thing in the new trilogy.

Ray Park was good, but that's because he didn't say much and we didn't see him much either. He was really an one-dimensional character. :)
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Saturnman said:
I feel the same way, especially about Liam Neeson. It's a pity they had to kill him, he was the best thing in the new trilogy.

He is the Obi-Wan in the prequel trilogy killed in the first movie, but has a presence in the others.

EpIII Spoiler
Qui-Gon is the one who explains to Yoda and Obi-Wan how to become blue glowies. That's what Yoda and Obi-Wan were learning in isolation.
 
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