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I would never become a fan of the Knicks but I have to admit that would be a team that's hard to support if they get Melo. They are already pretty fun to watch as it is.
Knicks would be fools to offer Galo or Fields. Curry/AR or fuck off or something like that. Melo in the off-season.
Knicks would be fools to offer Galo or Fields. Curry/AR or fuck off or something like that. Melo in the off-season.
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DY_nasty said:
That is one guy, and not "plenty of guys".
I haven't read all the things you two are arguing, but I know that Gallinari did have the sort of highly-efficient scoring games he's mentioned this season. I'd be willing to bet that on a team in which Gallinari was asked to do other things aside from shoot threes regularly, he'd probably do that sort of efficient scoring more regularly - but that isn't his role on the Knicks.
Just like being the only pg on the bobcats benefits DJ right?DY_nasty said:
Gallinari was looked at as a point forward/slasher until he shot lights out at workouts. He isn't playing the role he played before coming to the knicks. He's playing the floor spacer role that QRich played with the suns. He keeps teams honest so that Amare and Felton can work in the lane. Its not easy to double Amare when you have guy out there that can hit 5's in a game if you leave him open. I don't know why you have a hard time seeing this.
captmcblack
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But Gallinari doesn't get shot opportunities that aren't 3s because his role in the offense is to stand outside and take threes he is given.
If on the Knicks he gets 12 shots a game, most of them are long 3s he is allowed to take. If he got 8-10 shots on some other team, like the Sixers or something, he may do better taking them because they would probably be closer-range shots, and he might've been allowed to use his other skills (ball-handling, drawing contact, athleticism) to create better shots for himself.
The "more" shots he gets in this Knicks offense aren't "better" shots - and yet, he still manages to score points with those shots at a fair level of efficiency.
[EDIT: @ Blackace, I hope they keep being assholes and arbitrarily continuing to not trade him to the Knicks. The Knicks will have more and better players to surround Carmelo with in July, then! New York wins and gets Carmelo no matter what.]
If on the Knicks he gets 12 shots a game, most of them are long 3s he is allowed to take. If he got 8-10 shots on some other team, like the Sixers or something, he may do better taking them because they would probably be closer-range shots, and he might've been allowed to use his other skills (ball-handling, drawing contact, athleticism) to create better shots for himself.
The "more" shots he gets in this Knicks offense aren't "better" shots - and yet, he still manages to score points with those shots at a fair level of efficiency.
[EDIT: @ Blackace, I hope they keep being assholes and arbitrarily continuing to not trade him to the Knicks. The Knicks will have more and better players to surround Carmelo with in July, then! New York wins and gets Carmelo no matter what.]
Blackace
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Celsior said:Knicks trading piecesnot trading felton, Stat, Turf)
Gallo-Not really worth that much, Average player, more of a role player
Chandler-has been a good off the bench player over the years, seems to be doing good as a starter, value going up.
Fields-can be a very good 3rd guard, starting because knicks are weak at guard, worth way more then a 2nd round pick the Knicks used.
Randolph-some team might find some value in him, at his worst value.
Douglas-not worth much, some team might find value.
Curry-he has a big contract:lol
the rest-fillers and scrubs(not worth shit)
The knicks do not have the pieces to make a fair trade with Nuggets but Anthony seems to have his mind made up on leaving.
Not happening. Nuggets don't want to trade him to NY and have said as much in the media.. also they want picks not scrubs
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I wonder how soon Hayward's going to the D-League. One week, two? Will he be able to score at all there? He's seriously the worst the shooter I've ever seen (His shot looks worse than Fesenko FFS). He may be a good finisher, know how to get to the rim, and he's really good in transition, but he can't shoot at all. He shoots from the elbow and somehow misses massively short and massively to the side. No other NBA player I've ever seen has ever, ever missed shots as badly he does. Luckily, Jeremy Evans (Superior second round pick) is a good player with insane upside who's going to dominate in a few years.
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Blackace said:
And they will most likely get nothing unless they bring in another team or 2.
lol. weak as hell. how many times over the last two season did I say that Larry needs to let his point guards be point guards? Just because I think the Knicks were stupid for giving Felton 2.5 million more than he would've got anywhere else, it doesn't mean that I ever thought he was a bad point guard (as long as jameer nelson isn't around). I said Felton would have a legit shot at putting up 18/8. Look it up in the offseason thread. And you've seen DJ get benched for absolutely no reason twice when the Bobcats played the Knicks so stop poking your lip out. DJ's averaging 13/6.5 under a coach that likes to bench him for global warming.charsace said:
College roles don't mean shit either man. You know this. Landry Fields was a PF last year...
soundscream
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Blackace said:
NJ doesn't want him in NJ
soundscream
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Blackace said:
Oh you meant the Nets. I was referring to the people.
Yes. Rest is just what he needs. The offense doesn't even function without him on the court, but he needs rest - unlike Wallace who can't guard anybody anymore and Stephen "fuck it, I'm shootin 4s" Jackson. Both guys can barely walk and do more to hurt than team than help it, but noooooooooGabyskra said:
These are his strengths listed on draftexpress when Gallo was one of the best scorers in Euro at the age of 18:Gabyskra said:
Ability to get to free throw line
- Off-ball movement
- Versatility
- Ability to create own shot
- Ball-handling skills - Ball-handling skills w/either hand
- Change of gears/Hesitation moves
- Basketball IQ
- Energy/Intensity
- Fundamentals
- Maturity
- Poise
- Winning mentality
- Work ethic
- High-level productivity
- Positional versatility
- Court vision
- Body control
When people in Europe talk about how he played before the NBA they always bring up Manu and mention that Gallo likes to drive to the basket. Right know he's playing a completely different role than he played in europe.
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dream said:
Hey, it worked perfectly for Cleveland! They got all kinds of cap space that they could use to sign all of the marquee FA in 2010...like the ones that went into a holding pattern until they found out where LBJ was going, and then avoided CLE like the plague once it was discovered he wasn't staying. Then, they got all that cap space, but no one wanted to be in CLE except for drek.
Denver can do that if they want; then they can use that money to sign all the awesome players here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-10-11
Zach Randolph: future Nugget? Or maybe Glen Davis?
charsace said:
He was not one of the best.
Dude, stop the lecturing, I'm from Paris, I watch Euro ball all the time. Gallinari right now plays just like he did in Europe since he started driving more to the basket.
But he's bad at finding the open man, he does not create for others, he creates for himself when he can.
chars :lol
I hope you realize I've been posting those NBADraft.net profiles all these years for the lulz right? Hell, Chad Ford went on record saying that one of Monta Ellis' biggest concerns going into the draft was his quickness. Hell, New York Knicks guard Landry Fields is a big fuck you to basketball scouts everywhere.
I hope you realize I've been posting those NBADraft.net profiles all these years for the lulz right? Hell, Chad Ford went on record saying that one of Monta Ellis' biggest concerns going into the draft was his quickness. Hell, New York Knicks guard Landry Fields is a big fuck you to basketball scouts everywhere.
soundscream
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Blackace said:
They would draw better but they wouldn't take anything from the Knicks mind share. Knicks are a unifying team for the NY area Yankees/Mets Giants/Jets Rangers/Islanders (some what Devils) all have there dug in fan bases, but when it comes to basketball they all follow the
Knicks, except for an extreme minority of Net Fans.
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my Cavs are dying.
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No, the Cavs have been in cap hell for years. LeBron leaving left them with an expensive loser. If Denver unloads Billups and Carmelo's salary is off the books, they're got like $25M in cap space.captmcblack said:
And they don't have to sign a free agent, although I'd say Denver is quite a bit more desirable a place to play than Cleveland. (Sorry Cleveland.) They could use the space to make a lopsided deal, like the Wolves did in acquiring Beasley.
captmcblack
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The Nets will not, nor will they ever, draw better than the Knicks - even when they're in Brooklyn. They may have years when they draw AS well, such as the first year or two when they're a novelty, or maybe even the first period of time in which the Nets are really good while the Knicks are really bad (sort of like that period when the Nets were in the Finals or running out RJ/Kidd/Martin or VC/Kidd/RJ in the 2000s)...and even then, the Knicks outdrew the Nets.
...but realistically speaking, the Nets are to the Knicks what the Mets are to the Yankees or the Jets are to the Giants or the Islanders are to the Rangers. It's just like that. Forever.
And they could use all that money to sign...absolutely nobody, since everyone's already signed long-term. They could take people's bad contracts and broken players, though. Joe Johnson future? Rudy Gay future? Brandon Roy future? Gilbert Arenas future?
...but realistically speaking, the Nets are to the Knicks what the Mets are to the Yankees or the Jets are to the Giants or the Islanders are to the Rangers. It's just like that. Forever.
Rodeo Clown said:
And they could use all that money to sign...absolutely nobody, since everyone's already signed long-term. They could take people's bad contracts and broken players, though. Joe Johnson future? Rudy Gay future? Brandon Roy future? Gilbert Arenas future?
soundscream
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Blackace said:
We still supported this team while we went through a decade of hell, while the Nets were going to the finals. You underestimate the love we have for the Knicks. Maybe some fair weather fans but no tried and true fans, and they would still be clipper level in terms of support.
Blackace
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captmcblack said:
No one said they would draw better..
but with that said the Yankees and Giants are winning franchises.. and the Knicks.. are well the Knicks. They have had playoff success but have not won the chip in quite some time.. if the Nets came to Brooklyn winning who knows how the fanbase might start swinging.. you are most likely correct though.. I was just saying the Nets would draw better in Brooklyn and start gaining more of a hardcore following with those things in their favor..l
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