At least he got the chance. Like I said, it's a waste of time trying to make me feel sympathy for someone getting paid millions to play basketball. His life is not so much more horrible than mine or yours for having to play one free year of basketball that it justifies cheating.Blackace said:
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Branduil said:
Again the school should be paying them.. That would cut down on the bribes... They work full time for almost nothing and are demanded to keep their scores up.... The system is broken and the schools themselves are to blame... Who the fuck do you think bribes the kids in the first place.. They aren't taking money from complete strangers these are people connected to the school.. Who sets up the tutors to take their test and do their homework? It isn't the players it's the schools.. But the players are spoiled brats. lawl..
Dude, we root against players just because they arbitrarily play for a franchise we dislike. Why the crap would you bring up the fairness of rooting for or against someone in a sports thread?cuevas said:
Blackace said:
They both share the blame... the players are not innocent angels just because they didn't initiate the bribery. Plenty of players don't take bribes so there's no defense.
Its absurd that a guy can have a billboard right in the middle of Charlotte are not even have enough money to put gas in his tank and drive home for the holidays.etiolate said:
That TV deal, the jersey sales, the bowl game... that definitely equals exactly 1 college degree. That same degree thats depreciated in value for every year since the 70s...
So you kick out everyone who ever cheated on an accounting test too? Geez... at least the one and done guys didn't ever want to be college in the first place. Most of the time, schools are the ones facilitating it (enabling it at least) and if they're out the door into a different field, the actual job that they do want, then whats the issue? Its not like they're cheating on med exams then rushing off to surgery.Branduil said:
linsivvi said:
They don't care about their education or post career . They care about the players being better prepared for a career IN the NBA. And it's true, players with a year of college under their belts will be better prepared to contribute in the NBA. If anything they should be playing 2 years minimum.
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Rooting against a player because they are on a team you don't like? Fair.Branduil said:
Rooting against a player because he had to game a faulty system by haveing someone take a test for him or otherwise fall off the face of the earth and lose millions? Laughable.
He didn't "have" to game the system. He's not entitled to be a millionaire.cuevas said:
Blackace said:
Cheating on exams and accepting thousands of dollars.
DY_nasty said:
I don't know where I said I didn't. Still doesn't excuse the players.
I don't know why you guys care about me disliking Derrick Rose so much. :lol
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Branduil said:
Ok so accepting hundreds of dollars and getting "help" on exams is ok..
Or they should never be able to earn a living... The funny thing is you want to compare them to you or me, but you want to be millions of times harsher on them if they break the rules which is ridiculous
I didn't say it was okay. But some things are naturally more severe than others. I really don't think disapproving of cheaters is some morally outrageous position. I can promise you I would get punished much more harshly than Derrick Rose for cheating on a test.Blackace said:
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Branduil said:
I said you wanted student players to be banned from the only career they can do... If you were caught cheating you could still work in the field you wanted to right?
Disaproving of cheating isn't the issue but trying to see a complex problem in binary is where everyone is getting in your ass..
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Well because you are wrong and I LOVE DERRICK ROSEBranduil said:
Branduil, I think it's weird that you think athletes need to be role models in other aspects of life. Frankly, I don't give a shit whether Rose is a fucking serial killer as long as he plays like he does. Okay, bad example... he probably shouldn't be allowed to play if he's a serial killer because he is a menace to society and should be behind bars. But you know what I mean.
On another note: the Clippers-Kings game was the best-officiated game I've watched this season, no joke. Not because the refs were exceptionally gifted at detecting fouls, but because (since the Kings and Clippers are probably the two teams Stern cares about least in this league) they weren't. They called super obvious charges, blocking fouls, travels, etc., but they allowed a ton of contact at both ends of the floor and didn't halt play every other second for ticky-tacky fouls or meaningless bullshit. That was especially nice down the stretch, when I got to watch both teams play basketball and not "who forgot to pay off the refs" ball. I wish the refs from that game officiated every game. Thank you, Greg Willard, Mark Ayotte, and Leroy Richardson.
On another note: the Clippers-Kings game was the best-officiated game I've watched this season, no joke. Not because the refs were exceptionally gifted at detecting fouls, but because (since the Kings and Clippers are probably the two teams Stern cares about least in this league) they weren't. They called super obvious charges, blocking fouls, travels, etc., but they allowed a ton of contact at both ends of the floor and didn't halt play every other second for ticky-tacky fouls or meaningless bullshit. That was especially nice down the stretch, when I got to watch both teams play basketball and not "who forgot to pay off the refs" ball. I wish the refs from that game officiated every game. Thank you, Greg Willard, Mark Ayotte, and Leroy Richardson.
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Larry Bird was a dick.
Jordan's McDonald's burger was better, even if it was the exact same thing!
Jordan's McDonald's burger was better, even if it was the exact same thing!
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Kevin Love now averaging 20 and 15.
If Chris Bosh can be an all-star on some garbage Raptors teams, Kevin Love can be one on a garbage Wolves team.
If Chris Bosh can be an all-star on some garbage Raptors teams, Kevin Love can be one on a garbage Wolves team.
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Was that DAnotini's team setting up defensive traps in the 4th quarter last night? :lol
WHAT?!?:lol
WHAT?!?:lol
You're a fool if you think college did anything for guys like Rose or Mayo. They would have been top picks without playing a year of college. All playing in college did for them is take away one year of earnings from them. They didn't learn anything on or off the court. They went to their schools and put butts in the seats, especially Mayo because his team was nothing special.
Bottomline is that the schools and the NBA gain more from the kid that goes to college than the kids themselves.
Bottomline is that the schools and the NBA gain more from the kid that goes to college than the kids themselves.
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I´m brazilian, so i still think some sports stuff are weird in the U.S.
I don´t get why people in general aren´t upset with NCAA.
It´s highway robbery. They have the same network deals the NBA and others have, and they don´t have to pay the players.
It´s absurd.
If there was any logic, then they could not receive cash from the networks to air their games.
If i was any good, i would pull a Jennings and basically say "fuck you" to those greedy bastards.
I don´t get why people in general aren´t upset with NCAA.
It´s highway robbery. They have the same network deals the NBA and others have, and they don´t have to pay the players.
It´s absurd.
If there was any logic, then they could not receive cash from the networks to air their games.
If i was any good, i would pull a Jennings and basically say "fuck you" to those greedy bastards.
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Blackace said:
They also get tens of thousands of dollars in tuition to bounce a rubber ball.
How many struggling students or people whose lives have been crushed under the weight of student loans do you think would happily take the same deal? If you introduce salaries to college sports you introduce a whole other layer of ugliness and complications to what is - let's face it - meant to be an extra curricular club.
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charsace said:
The same thing is true of every single job that requires a degree or certificate. Why do we suddenly feel bad for basketball players as oppressed figures being forced to get an education, but if somebody wants to be a social worker all that sacrifice - and for longer, I might add - is just expected of them? Why is the NBA expected to pay millions to train guys who aren't ready?
Like 1% of NCAA players end up getting to the NBA, but 100% have a shot at an education which will change their life. I just can't agree with the perspective that these guys are exploited or more hard done by than anybody else. These are educational institutions, they're not for profit corporations.
I think the bigger question is:
How hard is it to pass a SAT? Even if it takes you multiple times, then do it. No shame in that.
On the subject of bribes, it's a bit of a grey area in my opinion. Nobody would have looked at Joakim Noah funny if he was driving a $60-100k Mercedes to class because of who his father is. Nobody looks funny at any of the other trust-fund kids when they stroll to campus wearing Lacoste and $80k cars bought by their parents.
But if some rich dude wants to throw a little cash towards a "student"-athlete who comes up from a poor background in return for something mutually beneficial to the both of them down the line? Meh, I say.
The line I draw in the sand is when a booster from the school throws some cash at a "student"-athlete before they declare for a school. But on the other hand, isn't a free scholarship a bribe to begin with? Free housing, free food, free facility access, free freshman coeds, etc.
How hard is it to pass a SAT? Even if it takes you multiple times, then do it. No shame in that.
On the subject of bribes, it's a bit of a grey area in my opinion. Nobody would have looked at Joakim Noah funny if he was driving a $60-100k Mercedes to class because of who his father is. Nobody looks funny at any of the other trust-fund kids when they stroll to campus wearing Lacoste and $80k cars bought by their parents.
But if some rich dude wants to throw a little cash towards a "student"-athlete who comes up from a poor background in return for something mutually beneficial to the both of them down the line? Meh, I say.
The line I draw in the sand is when a booster from the school throws some cash at a "student"-athlete before they declare for a school. But on the other hand, isn't a free scholarship a bribe to begin with? Free housing, free food, free facility access, free freshman coeds, etc.
I would argue that.LiveFromKyoto said:
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Tens of thousands to be in an extra curricular club? That's one way to put it if you ignore something like the NCAA signing an 11 billion dollar tv deal for just the basketball tournament.LiveFromKyoto said:
Athletes have talents I don't have and can't learn. But maybe if I grew 6 inches and got some speed...
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