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A BCS championship bid gets a school $17 million.

When there's that chunk of money involved, somebody, somewhere is profiting a fuckton of money off of these athletes.
 
zero margin said:
McMillan wants Roy's approval before he brings him off the bench.. lol
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You don't think that's how most coaches operate with their star player? Do you think Phil Jackson does what the hell he wants and doesn't get Kobe's input?

Anyhow...

LeBron sees similarities with Favre's departure
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Yep. Compare yourself to Brett Favre. Brilliant.

Oh wait, Favre brought Green Bay a trophy.
 
reilo said:
You don't think that's how most coaches operate with their star player? Do you think Phil Jackson does what the hell he wants and doesn't get Kobe's input?

Anyhow...
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Input? That's a nice way to say it. Sounds like he wants his permission to me.
 
zero margin said:
Input? That's a nice way to say it. Sounds like he wants his permission to me.
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Ugh, okay. Roy isn't some malcontent that is flipping fans off and trying to sabotage the team from within for his own personal gain.

Nate McMillan isn't also some dictator that should do whatever he pleases.

This scapegoating of Brandon Roy and Nate McMillan is downright shameful. The lot of you seem to have already forgotten that our starting guards used to be Telfair, Blake, Juan Dixon Stoudamire, Van Exel and Anderson.

I'll take a starting backcourt of Miller and a gimpy Roy any day of the week as long as they are bringing their all to each and every game.

Sharp said:
The number of colleges that are for-profit is vanishingly small.
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In name, sure. In reality? Like Dy said, :lol
 
viakado said:
shouldn't lebron be belle?
he's trying to be something he's not.
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At the risk of revealing my ignorance of all things Twilight, I have absolutely no idea who Belle is or what purpose she serves in the plot.
 
The comparison with Favre is so stupid. Favre left after what, 15 years? + a trophy? As a rising superstar playing the same position was going to take over for the next 15 year? When Favre was 36 yo?

LeSigh.
 
viakado said:
shouldn't lebron be belle?
he's trying to be something he's not.
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So reading Twilight is what you do when you're hopped up on drugs.
 
DY_nasty said:
:lol
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Correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm honestly not an expert here, but is the money the Duke basketball team raises not put back into university facilities, other extra curricular sports/programs, faculty and funding research and scholarships? Or do they use it to pay shareholder dividends, raise stock value, fund national ad campaigns and open other Duke branches to squeeze out competition? That's where I'd draw a distinction between an educational institution and a business like the NBA.

The other thing is, how do you institute a salary system fairly? Sure, North Carolina & UCLA generate a bunch of money. Drexel & Hofstra not so much. The number of schools with millions in basketball related revenue the student players are being "denied" is relatively small. If you institute salaries you suddenly take something that's raising money for smaller schools and turning it into an expense.
 
So I'm reading ESPN's "East Storylines", and so far each and every team is being broken down into a simple "good" versus "bad" on-court basketball related storyline.

Then I get to the Heat section...

Speculators and professional brokers make up 40 percent of sellers in the secondary ticket market in most NBA cities. In Miami, they represent 70 percent according to StubHub -- and right now they're getting beat up pretty badly. Local TV ratings for the Heat don't match the Cleveland market's numbers from the 2009-10 season. While the Heat captivate national fans who either love them or hate them, south Floridians seem more blasé.
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Of all the "downbeat" stories they could have discussed about the Heat, they chose to talk about scalpers?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=EastStorylines-101207
 
cuevas said:
You should not have made this post.
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LiveFromKyoto said:
The same thing is true of every single job that requires a degree or certificate. Why do we suddenly feel bad for basketball players as oppressed figures being forced to get an education, but if somebody wants to be a social worker all that sacrifice - and for longer, I might add - is just expected of them? Why is the NBA expected to pay millions to train guys who aren't ready?

Like 1% of NCAA players end up getting to the NBA, but 100% have a shot at an education which will change their life. I just can't agree with the perspective that these guys are exploited or more hard done by than anybody else. These are educational institutions, they're not for profit corporations.
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The difference is that athletes bring in billions of dollars to schools. That's a significant difference. None of them receive payment for it. And no, the scholarships don't equal what the student athletes bring in man.

Edit: Just read a post on realgm that was spot on in regards to how Lebron plays.
 
Something I hadn't considered before I read it today re: Hornets: it's actually in the league's best interest to sell to someone intent on moving. On top of the premium a prospective owner will pay, they'd then have to give the league a bunch more in relocation fees.
 
Rodeo Clown said:
Something I hadn't considered before I read it today re: Hornets: it's actually in the league's best interest to sell to someone intent on moving. On top of the premium a prospective owner will pay, they'd then have to give the league a bunch more in relocation fees.
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Plus there wouldn't be a team in a crappy city like N.O.
 
I'd really love for Seattle to have a team so that Portland doesn't have to travel 800 miles to its nearest competitor.
 
The Miami Heat must be in town...I felt an evil presence when I woke up this morning. I may have to bring the camera to the game tomorrow night.
 
reilo said:
So I'm reading ESPN's "East Storylines", and so far each and every team is being broken down into a simple "good" versus "bad" on-court basketball related storyline.

Then I get to the Heat section...


Of all the "downbeat" stories they could have discussed about the Heat, they chose to talk about scalpers?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=EastStorylines-101207
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Holy crap, are South Floridians the worst sports fans on Earth?
 
Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace likely to be fined for their comments to the media earlier this week (bashing DJ).

Huge rift in the locker room right now. Everyone against JAX. JAX vs Gerald. JAX and Gerald vs DJ. LB vs DJ. LB vs MJ. The shit is soap opera...
 
DY_nasty said:
Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace likely to be fined for their comments to the media earlier this week (bashing DJ).

Huge rift in the locker room right now. Everyone against JAX. JAX vs Gerald. JAX and Gerald vs DJ. LB vs DJ. LB vs MJ. The shit is soap opera...
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Was Gerald a headcase before Jax arrived?
 
reilo said:
I'd really love for Seattle to have a team so that Portland doesn't have to travel 800 miles to its nearest competitor.
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What bodes really well for Seattle right now is the complete radio silence. If Ballmer wasn't interested, surely he'd have said something. Instead, when reached yesterday, his office replied, "No comment."

And I'm not sure what alternatives the league will have. Kansas City, for instance, has an arena, but nobody to own the team.
 
Rodeo Clown said:
What bodes really well for Seattle right now is the complete radio silence. If Ballmer wasn't interested, surely he'd have said something. Instead, when reached yesterday, his office replied, "No comment."

And I'm not sure what alternatives the league will have. Kansas City, for instance, has an arena, but nobody to own the team.
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And wouldn't it be completely bizarre that KC has a NBA team, but St Louis doesn't? Or San Diego? All of those would be more viable options with Seattle at the top of the list, no?
 
cuevas said:
Specially with the majors most athletes can get. There are a few exceptions but most end up getting something that is pretty much worthless.


What is there to appreciate when you are forced to go to a school and they just take advantage of you? Scholarship? Yeah right, Basketball and Football pay for all the other sports.
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Forced? who forced them? they could go play pro-ball in europe and make $$$.

Besides, most of these players need to spend MORE time in a program where they learn better fundamentals (ok, so maybe not the american college scene).

DY_nasty said:
Because not everyone is able, mentally prepared, or wants to pack their bags to go to Europe.

And College life for a student athlete isn't even remotely similar to that of a regular student. A normal student doesn't have to commit an extra 30 hours of their week to something that they're not being paid for. They're not left to figure out how to pick up the pieces after injuries either. God help them if they actually have real financial obligations outside of school...
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IF you're not mentally prepared to go over seas for a year, why on earth would you be mentally perpared to be a multi millionaire in the NBA?

A lot of students also have to work part time 20 - 25 hours a week, and for that they dont get national recognition, ridiculous perks, free drinks all the parties, nor any travel or personal trainers in college.

cuevas said:
You don't have to feel sorry for the ones that make it but it's pretty clear that colleges do a poor job at ensuring that their players are successful after their careers.
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That says more about the colleges and the program, than anything else.

Blackace said:
They don't have time and in most aren't ALLOWED to have even a part time job.. And now they are forced to play for free for a school to pretty much exploit them because they aren't going to be staying for four years anyways so that so called free ride is 100% poppycock (I always wanted to say that) and the colleges now it.. Think 1 year of the next NBA superstar at your school for almost zero money and almost zero risk...

Yeah players have a gift to be able to play a sport for millions once they make it to the show.. But I hate when people act like OMG they cheated on a test they should never be allowed to make money again.. But it appiles only to basketball or football players? If a programmer is caught cheating in college should they be barred from the IT field! Just the most one sided unthought of argument ever...
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I agree, the NCAA should be paying these kids something, or putting it into a trust fund for when they leave college.

But if you're caught cheating on your programming assignment, you get expelled, and waste x amount of years of your life having to do the course again at a different university, if you can even get in to another one.
pilonv1 said:
They don't care about their education or post career . They care about the players being better prepared for a career IN the NBA. And it's true, players with a year of college under their belts will be better prepared to contribute in the NBA. If anything they should be playing 2 years minimum.
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I'd say 3, as most degrees are 3 years. And that would then make the player not just pick a college that has "systems in place to win a national title". I.E. the horrible zones that most put out. But pick a program that might actually help them develop their game. And not playing against full grown adults every day might give them more of a chance at developing and lessen the strain and pounding taken on knees and bones in general.

pilonv1 said:
Not agreeing completely with Branduil (everyone makes mistakes) but this is most certainly true where I went to school.
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In high school i had classmates who failed an entire subject, because they cheated in it, ruining their chance of getting a tertiary eudcation. I know people in my degree at University that did get expelled for cheating on an assignment.
 
reilo said:
Was Gerald a headcase before Jax arrived?
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Gerald's always been quiet and reserved. The only reason he's been a co-captain for so long is because there really wasn't anyone better around.

Gerald's been 'off' since about a week before the all-star break though.
 
DY_nasty said:
Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace likely to be fined for their comments to the media earlier this week (bashing DJ).

Huge rift in the locker room right now. Everyone against JAX. JAX vs Gerald. JAX and Gerald vs DJ. LB vs DJ. LB vs MJ. The shit is soap opera...
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Though all this is happening there hasn't been one report of a fist fight. Jackson would be a nice fit on a lot of teams if he wasn't a thug.
 
LiveFromKyoto said:
They also get tens of thousands of dollars in tuition to bounce a rubber ball.

How many struggling students or people whose lives have been crushed under the weight of student loans do you think would happily take the same deal? If you introduce salaries to college sports you introduce a whole other layer of ugliness and complications to what is - let's face it - meant to be an extra curricular club.
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Then don't charge for games, take away TV contracts, and only sell school merchandise to pay for this club.

And the sports programs of schools are nothing but profit.. In fact some basketball programs pay most of the cost of the schools leaving every other penny they make pure profit.

Jobs that require degrees require skills that need to be learned.. The NBA requires you to be super fast and have a high vert. If the owners are willing to draft an 18 year old kid with upside so be it.. If IT companies had a you have to go to college for year rule people wouldn't stand for it...
 
giri said:
IF you're not mentally prepared to go over seas for a year, why on earth would you be mentally perpared to be a multi millionaire in the NBA?

A lot of students also have to work part time 20 - 25 hours a week, and for that they dont get national recognition, ridiculous perks, free drinks all the parties, nor any travel or personal trainers in college.
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There's a big difference between playing in the NBA under a a franchise that's (usually) going to do its best to keep a short leash on you to guide your development and going to a country where you don't speak the language and a team where they're very hands-off when it comes to development of overseas talent.

Also, 20-25 hours at Pizza Hut or waiting tables for spare change doesn't add up to brand new buildings on campus and TV deals for the entire conference.
 
charsace said:
Though all this is happening there hasn't been one report of a fist fight. Jackson would be a nice fit on a lot of teams if he wasn't a thug.
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DJ and JAX are no longer bros. Higgins had to step to DJ at the door before practice today to make sure that nothing got out of hand....
 
DY_nasty said:
There's a big difference between playing in the NBA under a a franchise that's (usually) going to do its best to keep a short leash on you to guide your development and going to a country where you don't speak the language and a team where they're very hands-off when it comes to development of overseas talent.

Also, 20-25 hours at Pizza Hut or waiting tables for spare change doesn't add up to brand new buildings on campus and TV deals for the entire conference.
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No, you're either mentally ready to become an adult, which you have to be to handle millions of dollars properly or your not. The comparison is moot. If these teams keep such short leashes explain the stupid parties you hear dwade throwing, beasley... the list goes on.

Your comparison wasn't about the money they brought in, in regards to the hours, but that they are "required" to basically work part time to earn their scholarship. My point is, guess what, just about every college kid has a part time job, boo fucking hoo. Most of them are leaving college with a huge debt, the athletes aren't, whether they got a degree or not.

I agree with everyone that the way the money is handled in regards to the students, is silly.
 
:lol

The play he's having a fit over happened yesterday. Kevin Love tapped the ball out of bounds right in front of a ref and the ref said Minnesota ball.
 
giri said:
No, you're either mentally ready to become an adult, which you have to be to handle millions of dollars properly or your not. The comparison is moot. If these teams keep such short leashes explain the stupid parties you hear dwade throwing, beasley... the list goes on.

Your comparison wasn't about the money they brought in, in regards to the hours, but that they are "required" to basically work part time to earn their scholarship. My point is, guess what, just about every college kid has a part time job, boo fucking hoo. Most of them are leaving college with a huge debt, the athletes aren't, whether they got a degree or not.

I agree with everyone that the way the money is handled in regards to the students, is silly.
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Just know that I'm rolling my eyes with all of my being at the bolded.

And about Beasley, they put the kid into rehab and were watchful over him since the day his name got called - which is way more than anyone would even consider doing in Italy.
 
DY_nasty said:
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Just know that I'm rolling my eyes with all of my being at the bolded.

And about Beasley, they put the kid into rehab and were watchful over him since the day his name got called - which is way more than anyone would even consider doing in Italy.
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You can roll your eyes all you want, but you still don't dispute the truth of it. University isn't meant to be easy, i worked part time while i got my degree 25 hours a week, so i could pay for my gas, and assorteds, and walked out of there with a $35k debt. I'm sure the poor athlete on scholarship who had to train for 25 hours a week incurring no debt for his time in the system is horribly disadvantaged. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for me to cry in sympathy for them.

As an adendum, you realise all the people on academic scholarships have to put in a huge workload to keep them also, and regularly work on research for their lecturers for free. But i don't here anyone saying that they should be given a cut of the research grant?

They all chose the path they took.

Oh, so they watched him on his steady decline and at his lowest put him into rehab. I thought they were keeping him on a short leash, and looking after him? letting him build up or continue a drug habbit to the point he needs to go to rehab is "a short leash".

Next thing i know, Lohan really doesn't deserve to be punished for all the stupid shit she's done on drugs, the studios had her on a short leash.

What bullshit. Most NBA teams won't give a crap aslong as you keep your self out of jail, and able to show up to practice. Example, Earl Clarke. Fuck, i'd rather clarke was off running with some thugs, maybe then he'd stop being such a giant vagina on the court and body up.
 
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