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[DY_nasty]

Oh really? The same JO that grabbed like a total of 5 rebounds in the series against Boston?

And you are all right. JO is as good as Joel Anthony at this point. That says a lot about JO.

Joel Anthony is arguably the worst player in the league.

 

[The Frankman]

If people are going to keep pointing out this Jazz ref thing, I want evidence. Who is complaining game to game? Based on observation, I'd say Rockets-Age is the most egregious when it comes to whining by a mile.

I'll take it a step further. Who whines about the refs when the reffing is fine? I'll admit I'll rag on the refs; when said reffing is horrible. When Mike Breen (noted Knick-hater) starts saying on-air how the Knicks are getting shafted on calls, you know something is up.

I'm sorry, but the people criticizing posters who complain about decidedly one-sided reffing are probably the same people who love the human element in baseball and think instant replay will ruin the game. :lol

 

[TylerD]

OK, so I am ready to start reading up on all the dirty details about salary caps, contracts, etc... I found this site: Larry Coon's Salary CAP FAQ http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm but would like any suggestions that you guys might have to get some NBA knowledge dropped on me. I have a bad case of the Mondays.

The task of trying to follow what 30 teams and around 450 players are doing is nothing compared to 32 NFL teams with 1700. :lol

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

One of the reasons the heat have gotten better (other than playing a string of shit teams) is a change in the offensive scheme, from one of sitting around and passing it to Eddie House for a miss to the good olde just get a defensive fucking rebound and you can do whatever you feel like strategy :lol :lol

 

[DY_nasty]

OK, so I am ready to start reading up on all the dirty details about salary caps, contracts, etc... I found this site: Larry Coon's Salary CAP FAQ http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm but would like any suggestions that you guys might have to get some NBA knowledge dropped on me. I have a bad case of the Mondays.

The task of trying to follow what 30 teams and around 450 players are doing is nothing compared to 32 NFL teams with 1700. :lol

It can be a lot to take in at once if you're new to all of it. I know it sounds strange, but 2k can help you get the gist of the basics.

 

[Rodeo Clown]

LOS ANGELES – It’s not uncommon to hear Los Angeles Clippers fans heckle Baron Davis(notes). Of late, however, the jeers directed at the team’s struggling point guard are coming from a far more surprising source: The man paying Davis, Clippers owner Donald Sterling.

Sterling has expressed his displeasure about Davis’ play by taunting him from his courtside seat at Clippers’ home games, several sources told Yahoo! Sports. Among Sterling’s verbal barbs:
– “Why are you in the game?”

– “Why did you take that shot?”

– “You’re out of shape!”

While Sterling has also taunted other Clippers players since the middle of last season, none have received it worse than Davis, the sources said. Davis has missed 14 of the team’s 25 games this season and is averaging 7.4 points while making a team-high $13 million. Including this season, Davis has three years and nearly $42 million left on his contract.

 

[Branduil]

Sterling is a cancer on the league.

 

[Jamesfrom818]

There are plenty of reasons to hate Sterling. This is not one of them.

 

[bionic77]

One of the reasons the heat have gotten better (other than playing a string of shit teams) is a change in the offensive scheme, from one of sitting around and passing it to Eddie House for a miss to the good olde just get a defensive fucking rebound and you can do whatever you feel like strategy :lol :lol

I don't know whether to feel bad for Spoelstra or laugh at him...

It will be a shame if an ass clown like Spoelstra gets a ring. I thought the previous lowpoint was with Rudy T, but if he gets it then we will have reached a new low.

 

[Red Blaster]

OK, so I am ready to start reading up on all the dirty details about salary caps, contracts, etc... I found this site: Larry Coon's Salary CAP FAQ http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm but would like any suggestions that you guys might have to get some NBA knowledge dropped on me. I have a bad case of the Mondays.

The task of trying to follow what 30 teams and around 450 players are doing is nothing compared to 32 NFL teams with 1700. :lol

Play Association Mode in NBA 2K11.

 

[The M.O.B]

I think I said at the beginning of the season arguing with samurai that JO, Shaq are not gonna be the "O'neal Towers". My main reason being both guys are as brittle as a cookie. JO is terrible on defense/offense, but at least shaq can still play some of both.

 

[TylerD]

Play Association Mode in NBA 2K11.

Yeah, I have been thinking of picking it up. I haven't bought a basketball game in a long time but the reviews make it look really great. All the Jordan stuff looks really compelling.

 

[DY_nasty]

Yeah, I have been thinking of picking it up. I haven't bought a basketball game in a long time but the reviews make it look really great. All the Jordan stuff looks really compelling.

2K11 is easily the best basketball game I've ever played.

 

[giri]

It all pretty much stems from the ref complaints after the New Year's OKC-Utah game last year.

There were some bad calls made in OKC's favor, but the bitching was endless from dIEHARD and yourself for the rest of the season.

It also comes from watching Utah games on TV, because the fans CONSTANTLY boo the refs for any perceived slights. This also applies to Portland fans.

You post this like the jazz fans weren't right. And when something that horrible wrong happens it's going to be brought up and used for ridicule (against you) for a while.

You post in here supporting so many STUPID ref calls you're just as bad, in the oposite direction "nononono that call was fine, westbrook did jump at the other player who was just standing still, but there was contact, so its ok!".

 

[teruterubozu]

I wish Sterling did that with Olowokandi

 

[KingGondo]

You post this like the jazz fans weren't right. And when something that horrible wrong happens it's going to be brought up and used for ridicule (against you) for a while.

You post in here supporting so many STUPID ref calls you're just as bad, in the oposite direction "nononono that call was fine, westbrook did jump at the other player who was just standing still, but there was contact, so its ok!".

:lol Give me a break, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Calls go both ways. The refs missed a monumental call that probably would have won OKC the game last spring (the last game OKC and Utah played), and I complained--but after a while I let it go.

I admit in my post that the calls made against Utah in that game were "bad." What more can I say? I admitted it. I was happy to win the game, but not in that way.

And don't pretend like me defending Westbrook's style of play is remotely the same thing as defending bad calls that are made in his favor. The vast majority of the calls made for him are legitimate, and 90% of the premier players in the league "game" the refs to some degree, whether it's initiating bodily contact or complaining. It's all become an important part of the game, for better or worse.

 

[Blackace]

I'll take it a step further. Who whines about the refs when the reffing is fine? I'll admit I'll rag on the refs; when said reffing is horrible. When Mike Breen (noted Knick-hater) starts saying on-air how the Knicks are getting shafted on calls, you know something is up.

I'm sorry, but the people criticizing posters who complain about decidedly one-sided reffing are probably the same people who love the human element in baseball and think instant replay will ruin the game. :lol

Those two aren't even comparable...

 

[Blackace]

There are plenty of reasons to hate Sterling. This is not one of them.

Fuck that... He treats his players like he owns them.. This is most definitely a reason to hate him

 

[giri]

:lol Give me a break, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Calls go both ways. The refs missed a monumental call that probably would have won OKC the game last spring (the last game OKC and Utah played), and I complained--but after a while I let it go.

I admit in my post that the calls made against Utah in that game were "bad." What more can I say? I admitted it. I was happy to win the game, but not in that way.

And don't pretend like me defending Westbrook's style of play is remotely the same thing as defending bad calls that are made in his favor. The vast majority of the calls made for him are legitimate, and 90% of the premier players in the league "game" the refs to some degree, whether it's initiating bodily contact or complaining. It's all become an important part of the game, for better or worse.

You regularly defend bad calls that go in your teams favor, as much as any other team complains about bad calls. Thats my point. I'm not going to argue play style with you, thats not my argument nor statement. You want to rag on the jazz fans, but you do the exact same thing (comment about bad decisions) but because you do it in defense of the decision, and not the negative of the decision, you regularly don't get called on it. Well if you're going to attack jazz fans still over something they did 12 months ago, you can live with this too.

Fuck that... He treats his players like he owns them.. This is most definitely a reason to hate him

Pretty much. His role isn't to do that shit, particularly not courtside. Thats his coaches job, and the coach knows much better how to handle it. TBH it sounds a bit like he's regularly getting drunk court side. He has to manage these people from a professional stand point, and be able to bring in talent, and like it or not, some part of that decision will come from whethre they trust the owner to bring in other talent.

People can respect Cuban, because even tho he might not be hte leagues best friend, he defends his team, and players, to the death. And they can all respect his drive to assemble a team win.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Fuck that... He treats his players like he owns them.. This is most definitely a reason to hate him

He's not aware that he doesn't own them. This would be news to him.

 

[KingGondo]

Well if you're going to attack jazz fans still over something they did 12 months ago, you can live with this too.

It's far from "attacking" Jazz fans, it's making fun of them for a reputation they (kinda) anecdotally deserve. It's just in good fun, relax.

 

[Gabyskra]

I'll take it a step further. Who whines about the refs when the reffing is fine? I'll admit I'll rag on the refs; when said reffing is horrible. When Mike Breen (noted Knick-hater) starts saying on-air how the Knicks are getting shafted on calls, you know something is up.

Oh god, that's not even fanboy hyperbole, that is straight up idiotic.

Mike Breen likes the Knicks just fine.

People might not know (or care) but he's the lead commentator for Knicks game on MSG.

You just get this incredibly false impression by having an even stronger bias.

I, myself, feel Mike Breen can be a homer or at least he tries to please the homers watching at home.

 

[DCX]

Should the Knicks take a look at Thabeet?

DCX

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

I hope the Bulls can keep winning as they are now entering the Heat portion of their schedule.

 

[giri]

Should the Knicks take a look at Thabeet?

DCX

In the same way that memphis should've before they drafted him, yes.

Then move on.

 

[charsace]

Should the Knicks take a look at Thabeet?

DCX

He is terrible. Even before he was drafted I knew he would be. He isn't quick and doesn't have the proper center of gravity to defend anyone. Also has low bbiq.

 

[DY_nasty]

Should the Knicks take a look at Thabeet?

DCX

See? Even Knicks fans expect the Knicks to do something stupid.

 

[Nelo Ice]

finally bynum will be back tomorrow!

 

[DY_nasty]

a little more about the melo trade/contract rules from sheridan's chat on espn. earlier in the chat he answered the question about melo and the bobcats, also pasted.

So, assuming the "Knicks-only" scenario is true, what happens if Denver holds Melo past the deadline? Will the Knicks have enough cap space during the off-season to sign Melo outright?

Chris Sheridan
(2:17 PM)
I am glad you brought this up, JB, because it gets interesting. ...

Chris Sheridan
(2:20 PM)
Carmelo is under contract through next season, but he has an opt-out (actually an ETO, basically the same thing). So Carmelo is not considered an expiring contract, and he remains tradeable right up until June 30 if the Nuggets hang onto him past the deadline. Also, the extension that's sitting on the table is good through June 30, too. This is a piece of leverage the Nuggets hold over the Knicks, because NY needs to make the trade by Feb. 24 in order to include Eddy Curry's expiring contract in the deal. And you need the Curry money to make the salaries match.


Jon (Charlotte) (not me, i swear)

On ESPN bottom line there was info that Bobcats owner Michael Jordan was initiating talks of the trade to NY. What involvement do the bobcats have, if any?
Chris Sheridan
(2:29 PM)
As I reported Saturday, Jordan has been trying to get Carmelo to save the Bobcats season. He is willing to take him on as a rental. Plus, when Larry Brown says some of his players are tuning him out, history shows that's what he usually says when he wants to trade somebody. Yesterday, at the Garden, Chris Broussard asked Carmelo if he thought the Nuggets would trade him to a team where he wouldn't sign an extension. And Carmelo said in a very confident tone that he does not expect that to happen.

And I said before, I'm more than cool with Melo rental especially if it speeds up our rebuilding process.

My take from Denver's perspective is that they would rather have Crash (of last year not this year lulz) and Diaw and stay relevant over the next two seasons and rebuild through trading expirings rather than New York's deal. The Knicks deal would be getting about fifty cents on the dollar where if they did a Nazr, Diaw, Crash for Melo, Anderson deal that is about 75 cents on the dollar. All of that money comes off the books in 2 years along with Billups and Nene should they decide to keep them for playoff cannon fodder runs.

 

[The Frankman]

Mike Breen likes the Knicks just fine.

... you didn't watch the Knicks from 2002-2006 did you? The dude went from a decidedly unbiased announcer to almost shredding the Knicks while slurping the other team, it was Larry Brown-like. Now obviously there was alot of stuff to shred, but the stuff he killed them for I never had heard him mention when the Knicks did the same years ago/other teams do. Don't make me have to bring up instances like the Jamal Crawford 50+ game vs. Wade...

I, myself, feel Mike Breen can be a homer or at least he tries to please the homers watching at home.

Homer? Breen? :lol :lol :lol Yeah right.

 

[reilo]

What good things was Mike Breen supposed to say between 2002-2006 :lol

 

[KingGondo]

... you didn't watch the Knicks from 2002-2006 did you? The dude went from a decidedly unbiased announcer to almost shredding the Knicks while slurping the other team, it was Larry Brown-like.

I'd like to feel bad for Knicks-Age, but it's almost like they troll themselves.

I think the fact that he shredded the Knicks from '02-'06 proves he was unbiased.

 

[The Frankman]

What good things was Mike Breen supposed to say between 2002-2006 :lol

Read re-edited post. I'm talking minutia that he would seem to spend 5 minutes talking about. Take for example Knicks slow starts... Old Mike Breen would've spent like a quarter talking about Knicks not being prepared/diss the coach (in this case D'Antoni). I haven't heard a single thing about it outside of the offhand mention this year.

Also back then they did have 1 semi-ok year during that stretch, you wouldn't know it the way he announced. It's like when the Knicks are decent, he seems to call it normal. When they're crap... well put it this way: According to Breen back nothing ever was Larry Brown's fault. :lol He ok'd the signing of certain players, he loved benching/not playing rookies (Lee/Frye/Robinson) even it if cost them games, and he'd always play mind games and start weird lineups. But nothing was ever his fault according to Breen.

I'd like to feel bad for Knicks-Age, but it's almost like they troll themselves.

I think the fact that he shredded the Knicks from '02-'06 proves he was unbiased.

Except that if a player made a mindless play on the Knicks I had to hear it over and over. Opposing team does it? Eh... I'm calling Breen out not because he's ripping the Knicks, but not ripping other teams if a similar mistake is made. He SHOULD rip a team for making a dump foul/mistake/etc. That's what catapulted Breen to the top in the late 90's after Marv left MSG.

 

[giri]

Read re-edited post. I'm talking minutia that he would seem to spend 5 minutes talking about. Take for example Knicks slow starts... Old Mike Breen would've spent like a quarter talking about Knicks not being prepared/diss the coach (in this case D'Antoni). I haven't heard a single thing about it outside of the offhand mention this year.

Also back then they did have 1 semi-ok year during that stretch, you wouldn't know it the way he announced. It's like when the Knicks are decent, he seems to call it normal. When they're crap... well put it this way: According to Breen back nothing ever was Larry Brown's fault. :lol He ok'd the signing of certain players, he loved benching/not playing rookies (Lee/Frye/Robinson) even it if cost them games, and he'd always play mind games and start weird lineups. But nothing was ever his fault according to Breen.

Except that if a player made a mindless play on the Knicks I had to hear it over and over. Opposing team does it? Eh... I'm calling Breen out not because he's ripping the Knicks, but not ripping other teams if a similar mistake is made.

This mightn't be On topic of that post, but every anouncer HAS to be a little homer. He's meant to be, the team anouncers that are. No one minds that. It does get a little tiring hearing the C's anouncers tell me that marquise daniels is an all star ever time he makes a bucket though.

 

[The Frankman]

This mightn't be On topic of that post, but every anouncer HAS to be a little homer. He's meant to be, the team anouncers that are. No one minds that. It does get a little tiring hearing the C's anouncers tell me that marquise daniels is an all star ever time he makes a bucket though.

Really? Maybe a color commentator, but not a play-by-play guy. I never liked it when the play-by-play guy is a homer.

 

[giri]

Really? Maybe a color commentator, but not a play-by-play guy. I never liked it when the play-by-play guy is a homer.

Eh, i'm not going to be offended even if the play by play guy gets a little homer. He's also meant to be (in theory) a fan of that team, so him remaining completely impartial would be... not as entertaining really. But he should definitely refrain more so than the colour guy.

 

[Bread]

This mightn't be On topic of that post, but every anouncer HAS to be a little homer. He's meant to be, the team anouncers that are. No one minds that. It does get a little tiring hearing the C's anouncers tell me that marquise daniels is an all star ever time he makes a bucket though.

The funniest was hearing Heinsohn rave about J.R. Giddens a year or 2 ago, saying he gets to the rim like "Greased Lightning" and how he was going to be a star.

 

[The Frankman]

Eh, i'm not going to be offended even if the play by play guy gets a little homer. He's also meant to be (in theory) a fan of that team, so him remaining completely impartial would be... not as entertaining really. But he should definitely refrain more so than the colour guy.

yeah you right. As long as your PBP guy isn't like that guy on the Rockets/Heinson/the Atlanta "thuggery" guy he can have a bit of homer.

 

[Blackace]

Pretty much. His role isn't to do that shit, particularly not courtside. Thats his coaches job, and the coach knows much better how to handle it. TBH it sounds a bit like he's regularly getting drunk court side. He has to manage these people from a professional stand point, and be able to bring in talent, and like it or not, some part of that decision will come from whethre they trust the owner to bring in other talent.

People can respect Cuban, because even tho he might not be hte leagues best friend, he defends his team, and players, to the death. And they can all respect his drive to assemble a team win.

I don't mind a hands on owner.. but the players are employees and people, not the owner's playthings.. if you don't like BDiddy trade him for a bag of chips it's your team.. but don't belittle him and heckle him because you think you have the right to do it..

He was the one who wanted "southern blacks" because they know their role better or something.. Wish the NBA would buy the Clippers from him as well..

 

[DCX]

He is terrible. Even before he was drafted I knew he would be. He isn't quick and doesn't have the proper center of gravity to defend anyone. Also has low bbiq.

just asking, i would assume he'd be a better fit than Mozgof. I mean at least he has rebound and block potential. Moving on.

DCX

 

[Blackace]

Really? Maybe a color commentator, but not a play-by-play guy. I never liked it when the play-by-play guy is a homer.

The home team play-by-play guys are all homers to some degree.. some are more real about the talent levels of the players than others tho..

Can't wait for KC and Paul Silas to come home.

 

[giri]

I don't mind a hands on owner.. but the players are employees and people, not the owner's playthings.. if you don't like BDiddy trade him for a bag of chips it's your team.. but don't belittle him and heckle him because you think you have the right to do it..

He was the one who wanted "southern blacks" because they know their role better or something.. Wish the NBA would buy the Clippers from him as well..

Oh by and large sterling is a horrible owner. But he's not even looking at selling is he? I feel bad for Adam cause i'm not certain he won't try and trade blake sooner or later just so he doesn't have to pay him.

 

[DY_nasty]

The home team play-by-play guys are all homers to some degree.. some are more real about the talent levels of the players than others tho..

Can't wait for KC and Paul Silas to come home.

 

[Karakand]

TBH it sounds a bit like he's regularly getting drunk court side.

He must be drinking all the time because it sounds like his housing discrimination case with implicit (instead of explicit) racism.

Truly a shame he can't get Shinn'd.

 

[Blackace]

Oh by and large sterling is a horrible owner. But he's not even looking at selling is he? I feel bad for Adam cause i'm not certain he won't try and trade blake sooner or later just so he doesn't have to pay him.

Actually as bad as he is.. he doesn't seem to mind paying players.. but players just don't want to stay..

 

[Blackace]

You have a HoF coach.. You wouldn't need lowly old Paul..

 

[Tom Penny]

People who are sleeping on the Heat. They might not lose another game because of Erik Spoelstra's elite coaching strategies.

If Dwyane Wade grabs a defensive rebound, he has the green light to do whatever he wants offensively. If LeBron James makes a defensive stop, he controls his own game on the other end of the court.

These are the parameters set by coach Erik Spoelstra, and the chance for offensive freedom has helped spark the most dominant winning streak in franchise history.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

People who are sleeping on the Heat. They might not lose another game because of Erik Spoelstra's elite coaching strategies.

this is pretty much my new favourite gif

 

[Blackace]

People who are sleeping on the Heat. They might not lose another game because of Erik Spoelstra's elite coaching strategies.

He is the Filipino Mike Brown!

 

[etiolate]

I find it amazing that the Kings are debating on whether to sit Tyreke or not. He's struggling, the team is already horrible with him, so what is there to lose? Seriously, what is the logic of playing him on a bad foot and losing?