2010/11 NBA Dec |OT| of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7lMXXaUaIo PEACE

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DY_nasty said:
Wade isn't anywhere close to the MVP caliber player he used to be just a year ago. Don't kid yourself...
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He doesn't have to be. He has 2 allstars on his team now. And Wade is still getting it in.
 
Bosh is not an all-star this year. At least he shouldn't be...
peterb0y said:
Based on what, his numbers? Of course his numbers are gonna slightly dip, as have lebrons, its not because they're getting worse, instead, its because they have to share shots, etc. What are you basing that off of? Hes looked really, really good lately
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I'm not talking about numbers... I'm usually one of the last here to bring numbers up actually.

I know a lot of you are new to the Heat, but Wade used to be a Top 5 player in the NBA. Where does he look like he belongs now?
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Josh Smith
3. Kevin Garnett
4. Paul Millsap
5. Blake Griffin
6. Amar'e Stoudemire
7. Kevin Love
8. Luis Scola
9. Lamar Odom
10. David West
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This list is terrible. :lol
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Bosh is around the 11th or 12th best PF in the league, he's not an allstar.
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I'd take Aldridge over Bosh too. And I can't stand LMA... giant pussbag has been playing great lately.

You also forgot Zach Randolph.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Josh Smith
3. Kevin Garnett
4. Paul Millsap
5. Blake Griffin
6. Amar'e Stoudemire
7. Kevin Love
8. Luis Scola
9. Lamar Odom
10. David West
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Never thought i'd see the day where Tim Duncan wouldn't be on someone's Top 10 PF list. That's insulting. I'd take Duncan on his 50th birthday over West.
 
DY_nasty said:
Bosh is not an all-star this year. At least he shouldn't be...
I'm not talking about numbers... I'm usually one of the last here to bring numbers up actually.

I know a lot of you are new to the Heat, but Wade used to be a Top 5 player in the NBA. Where does he look like he belongs now?
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Let me make something clear though, by "new" i meant to watching every game/posting here... Since I was a kid I've watched every playoff game, and about 10ish Heat games a year, so I have an idea of what Wade "used to be." Right now, I think its Bron > Wade > KD> Kobe > Dirk, at least for me. Shit, Wade might actually be better than Lebron....
 
DY_nasty said:
I'd take Aldridge over Bosh too. And I can't stand LMA... giant pussbag has been playing great lately.

You also forgot Zach Randolph.
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Ehh, Zach's efficiency is terrible this year, I have him around 14th or 15th.


Never thought i'd see the day where Tim Duncan wouldn't be on someone's Top 10 PF list. That's insulting. I'd take Duncan on his 50th birthday over West.
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Well, he (As well as Gasol) hasn't played any minutes at PF this season...
 
mckmas8808 said:
This list is terrible. :lol
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How? Lamar Odom doesn't get thrown to the ground by small forwards when he goes for rebounds and Luis Scola gets his even though he's the only low post threat on his team. West is surrounded by garbage and still is consistent - something that Bosh hasn't been all year, and he's got two all-stars around him :/

Kevin Love is easily better, and he hits his 3s. Millsap gave Bosh dirty work in Miami too...

I'm tempted to say Tyrus is better too. Every time he got minutes, he fucking dominated even though he's been hurt all season (but Larry Brown just couldn't have that... more minutes for Kwame derp derp)
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Bosh vs. Boozer will only be interesting to see which player can out-soft and out-choke the other.
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Boozer has been anything but soft this season if you've been watching the team.

And unlike many have said here(he's the opposite), the team's emotional leader and as productive as he was when an All Star all those years.
 
DY_nasty said:
I'd take Aldridge over Bosh too. And I can't stand LMA... giant pussbag has been playing great lately.

You also forgot Zach Randolph.
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And Bosh on most other teams would be a 22-11 player. You turn into a 18-9 player when you play with Lebron and Wade.
 
peterb0y said:
Let me make something clear though, by "new" i meant to watching every game/posting here... Since I was a kid I've watched every playoff game, and about 10ish Heat games a year, so I have an idea of what Wade "used to be." Right now, I think its Bron > Wade > KD> Kobe > Dirk, at least for me. Shit, Wade might actually be better than Lebron....
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Okay, so you watched Miami last season. Real question: Do you honestly think that Wade's play now is simply because of injury, or something as simple as having to work with having fewer shots?
 
DY_nasty said:
How? Lamar Odom doesn't get thrown to the ground by small forwards when he goes for rebounds and Luis Scola gets his even though he's the only low post threat on his team. West is surrounded by garbage and still is consistent - something that Bosh hasn't been all year, and he's got two all-stars around him :/

Kevin Love is easily better, and he hits his 3s. Millsap gave Bosh dirty work in Miami too...

I'm tempted to say Tyrus is better too. Every time he got minutes, he fucking dominated even though he's been hurt all season (but Larry Brown just couldn't have that... more minutes for Kwame derp derp)
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The fuck? Bosh just took a shit all on Lamar Odam yesterday man. Bosh needs to be as aggressive on the boards for the rest of the year as he was yesterday.
 
There's not a single aspect of basketball which Bosh is better at compared to Millsap outside of height. Millsap is ten times the team player/passer, has a way higher BBIQ, is more efficient, creates his own shot better because he can actually get out of his post-ups and face-ups unlike Bosh, way better defender, both are bad rebounders and good shooters but Millsap can step his game up when he tries at rebounding whereas Bosh can't, Millsap is also the better finisher.
 
No one in their right mind would actually take Bosheran over Dirk, KG, Blake, Amare, Love, Gasol, Duncan, Thrillsap, or Smoove.
 
mckmas8808 said:
And Bosh on most other teams would be a 22-11 player. You turn into a 18-9 player when you play with Lebron and Wade.
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Bosh isn't even the best PF on his own team when Haslem is playing. Haslem does everything that Bosh does for Miami at a fraction of the cost.

He's a dynamic player that benefited greatly from playing a system that catered to a Euro-ish style of play in Toronto. A team that sucked ass. And I really don't feel like giving you guys a huge talkin to about how guys put up great numbers on shitty teams and how some all-stars would be coming off the bench for contending teams...
 
Bosh is lacking, no other way to describe it.

Sometimes you don't even know he's on the floor.

Then he will have a dunk like that(albeit easy---unbelievably good or lucky pass from Wade I think) one against the Lakers and show some fire and then go back to being passive though highly skilled.
 
DY_nasty said:
Okay, so you watched Miami last season. Real question: Do you honestly think that Wade's play now is simply because of injury, or something as simple as having to work with having fewer shots?
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I think his play in the early stages of this year was due to injury, but lately its mostly just because he has to split shots...Again though, I'm not really sure what you're talking about, because at least to me, I don't see a noticeable dropoff from his performance last year- outside of a slight dip in stats which makes sense. What do you mean by "Wade's play now"? Specifically, 2hat problems and issues are you referring to?
 
Bosh is way better than Haslem. Haslem has hero syndrome combined with a poor skill set which makes him an offensive liability. He also managed to be the guy who got most of Millsap's 46.
 
mckmas8808 said:
The fuck? Bosh just took a shit all on Lamar Odam yesterday man. Bosh needs to be as aggressive on the boards for the rest of the year as he was yesterday.
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Odom did fine yesterday even though Kobe and Pau were missing. Still, Odom of all people has outplayed Bosh all season long...
 
DY_nasty said:
Bosh isn't even the best PF on his own team when Haslem is playing. Haslem does everything that Bosh does for Miami at a fraction of the cost.

He's a dynamic player that benefited greatly from playing a system that catered to a Euro-ish style of play in Toronto. A team that sucked ass. And I really don't feel like giving you guys a huge talkin to about how guys put up great numbers on shitty teams and how some all-stars would be coming off the bench for contending teams...
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So givin this post why do I see so much Kevin Love and Blake Giffen talk?
 
DY_nasty said:
Odom did fine yesterday even though Kobe and Pau were missing. Still, Odom of all people has outplayed Bosh all season long...
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Bosh is playing alot better this month. If we are looking at December only I'd give it to Bosh.
 
peterb0y said:
I think his play in the early stages of this year was due to injury, but lately its mostly just because he has to split shots...Again though, I'm not really sure what you're talking about, because at least to me, I don't see a noticeable dropoff from his performance last year- outside of a slight dip in stats which makes sense. What do you mean by "Wade's play now"? Specifically, 2hat problems and issues are you referring to?
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.... le sigh

In the same way that many can see that Kobe isn't playing the same as he was last year despite only a drop of less than 2ppg, most people can see an absurd drop off in Wade's play this season - a drop off that has much more to do with his poor shooting nights.
 
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Tim Duncan
3. Kevin Garnett
4. Pau Gasol (natural position)
5. Blake Griffin
6. Amar'e Stoudemire
7. Kevin Love
8. Luis Scola
9. Lamar Odom
10. Paul Milsap
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Adjusted. West isn't as good as any of those guys.

In the same way that many can see that Kobe isn't playing the same as he was last year despite only a drop of less than 2ppg, most people can see an absurd drop off in Wade's play this season - a drop off that has much more to do with his poor shooting nights.
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Wade's drop is noticeable, it's mainly his style of play catching up with him. Kobe's 32, Wade's what? 28? He should be in his prime, even with less shots to work with.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Bosh is playing alot better this month. If we are looking at December only I'd give it to Bosh.
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He needs to stop taking threes.

Yes, he can hit them every now and then but him shooting them reminds me he is sort of lost on that team.
 
giga said:
:lol Would you actually take Bosh over Love or Griffin?
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Assuming we are taking salary into account? No! You would get similar play but at more than half the cost.
 
mckmas8808 said:
So givin this post why do I see so much Kevin Love and Blake Giffen talk?
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People have been calling Bosh soft for years. This isn't something new.

I want you to say that you wouldn't take Love or Griffin over Bosh. I really do...

I can understand you not watching a Rockets game, but Scola is one of the top inside scorers in the league. No flash to his game at all, dude is straight business in the post...
 
DY_nasty said:
.... le sigh

In the same way that many can see that Kobe isn't playing the same as he was last year despite only a drop of less than 2ppg, most people can see an absurd drop off in Wade's play this season - a drop off that has much more to do with his poor shooting nights.
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But Dwyane's FG percentage is actually higher this season than it was last year, and only .06 less than the year before, despite the shitty start. Whereas you look at Kobe, and his numbers are down across the board, without having the excuse of a new playmaker to split the shots with. Furthermore, Wade is actually expanding his game (out of necessity of course, but hes still helping). Hes developing something of a post game, and hes rebounding more than he ever has.
 
TheGreatMightyPoo said:
He needs to stop taking threes.

Yes, he can hit them every now and then but him shooting them reminds me he is sort of lost on that team.
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what the fuck are you talking about? Hes only shot 10 threes... then entire season. And a few of those were last minute, desperation shots that had to be taken. Furthermore, 1 out of the 3 that he did make was critical in a win.
 
giga said:
Take out salary and contracts.
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I'd take Bosh over Love, but not over Blake. Blake is just too dynamic and his upside is too huge. Once he really learns to play the game, he will be MVP material.
 
peterb0y said:
what the fuck are you talking about? Hes only shot 10 threes... then entire season. And a few of those were last minute, desperation shots that had to be taken. Furthermore, 1 out of the 3 that he did make was critical in a win.
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Why are you so angry???

The point is he is a POWER forward, he should act like it.

When does he???
 
mckmas8808 said:
I'd take Bosh over Love, but not over Blake. Blake is just too dynamic and his upside is too huge. Once he really learns to play the game, he will be MVP material.
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Bosh over Love :lol :lol :lol


:lol :lol
 
Just so you guys know, Srsly is the guy who said that Lebron is a better player right now than Magic ever was.
peterb0y said:
But Dwyane's FG percentage is actually higher this season than it was last year, and only .06 less than the year before, despite the shitty start. Whereas you look at Kobe, and his numbers are down across the board, without having the excuse of a new playmaker to split the shots with. Furthermore, Wade is actually expanding his game (out of necessity of course, but hes still helping). Hes developing something of a post game, and hes rebounding more than he ever has.
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How in the world has Wade expanded his game? That post game you're talking about? He's had that for a while. He's got a pretty solid mid-range game if you didn't know. He doesn't get to take advantage of either because he not only is he getting fewer shots, he doesn't have the ball. You take the ball away from a ball dominant player and watch how they forget how to be relevant when they're still relied on to get the same buckets.

And he's only grabbing those rebounds because Bosh won't and Z will never board outside of his position...

Edit: Bosh over Love :lol :lol :lol
 
dIEHARD said:
I really like Love and would take him first, but his defense is outlandishly bad.
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He's the best out of the three for me.

But yeah, he nor Griffin are that good on defense and we know Bosh can be pushed around.

Love just has that blue collar workmanship on the boards along with that eloquent touch and great all around offensive game.
 
dIEHARD said:
I really like Love and would take him first, but his defense is outlandishly bad.
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And for the love of God he's on a total shit team. I like the guy too but got damn. People act like he's Karl Malone or some shit.
 
Bosh over Love isn't that crazy. He's playing at a 21/15 pace, absolutely. But he's been doing it for what, half a season? We crown guys for 40 games now? Let's see how he does in the dog days of March. Who knows how Love handles clutch situations, we won't find that out until 2013.

Bosh is still not even close to a Top 5 PF in the league right now. It's both liberating-and frightening-to see a player after wearing Homer Goggles for 7 years.

And for the love of God he's on a total shit team. I like the guy too but got damn. People act like he's Karl Malone or some shit.
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When Bosh was putting up those juicy statlines, he was on a shit team too. And his absence might cost the team less than 5 wins this season.
 
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