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Squid Girl 3 was fun.
Strangely, 3.2 reminded me of Gintama and 3.3 reminded me of Arjuna.
Strangely, 3.2 reminded me of Gintama and 3.3 reminded me of Arjuna.
Cwarrior said:Mirrai Nikki ep1
Looks really ugly and the lead is near shinji ikari level whiny little bitch but i like yanderes, so the question is how long can I endure the whining to get some yandereservice.
Hellsing321 said:You and Me 2
A believable tsundere? I don't believe my eyes. Still confused at all the cat shots.
I dunno, thought the shaky cam use in ep 1 was a special kind of bad, but if that didn't satisfy then it will later on.icarus-daedelus said:Darkness Hat Book show does not seem memorable at all two episodes in. It's no Kannazuki no Miko etc. Bad, but not a special kind of bad.
Although there is a lot of inappropriate touching and subsequent blushing and beatdowns. So there's that I suppose.
The greatest part about this episode is how Ami's reaction to Usagi isn't ever "she's fucking crazy, what the hell?" but rather "oh she just wants to be with me to use me."EmmanuelMunoz said:Fate/Zero Ep.2
Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon Ep.02
Finally the brain appears! I love the "modernization" done to the story so that it better fits current culture. -Hey Usagi take a picture with your cellphone so that you can change outfits-Click for alternate image
Puppet Luna is still by far the best character in the series, but then again Makoto hasn't been introduced yet.
Also, the use of some live action monsters instead of CG ones is a much appreciated addition.
PdotMichael said:and Denpa Onna is a great anime with unique characters, a nice plot and a great OP song. Where are the other Denpa Onna fans?
Of course, but it's not like that evidence completely ruled out the former either.A Black Falcon said:There was also plenty of evidence the other way too, though.
I know this isn't your point, but your comment here makes me want to say it again. If you want to spoil yourself for validation on information that hasn't yet been revealed in the anime, alright. I don't want to however since I don't care about the novels right now nor do I desire the need to spoiler myself on the story.I do think looking for some answers in the novel spoilers makes sense, and that they probably should be applicable unless the anime specifically goes against them later. And my interpretation of what I've read of the novel spoilers makes me think that my interpretation makes sense.
And this is why I don't care about the novel spoilers. There's enough information in the anime's 1st episode to suggest this until proven otherwise in the anime. Of course, it's speculation, but nonetheless, it's a perfectly legitimate possibility right now. Invalidating my point because of the novels is stupid and is getting into spoiler territory.I don't think that's right. The novel spoilers say thatthe sky lands were created because there wasn't enough room on the ground for all the people after they were forced to return to Earth, yes? So the people there being alternate dimensional clones or something like that just doesn't make sense.
You're right. Saying the Harmonic Divine States are at least an alternate dimension of sorts was wrong of me. Wrong choice of words on my behalf actually. I'll just refer to it as a pocket dimension like the synopsis states and use TV Tropes' definition of what a pocket dimension is. But again, I could care less about novels invalidating my point when the anime hasn't (yet).As I think scy said later,I'm pretty sure. Not that.the book of Testament is their manual for the history they're following,
By "it" you mean the Testament? The ending credits establishes this connection between the book Testament and the Harmonic Divine States by suggesting the creation of the Harmonic Divine States was because of the book, Testament.It could be magical or something, but not definitely. And I don't know if there are any ties between it and the Harmonic Divine States.
We only know of one entity that was trying to reenact history and that was the Divine States as stated in the ending credits. The Harmonic Divine States also participating in the history reenactment is speculation at this point.Hmm, maybe it means that the shape of the land was in the shape of the land on the ground or something? Or maybe they were in fact also running through the history too, though I'm not so sure about that. I don't know, there are multiple explanations.
You could make an argument the people from the Harmonic Divine States were originally people from the Far East/Divine States, so they were also formerly people who lived in the skies too, which seems most likely.The main issue here is the difference between the place that all of these people came from, be it floating continents, spaceships, whatever, and the places they are living now, either on the earth or in flying cities or whatever.
If this is type of refutation is going to be commonplace, I'm not going to bother with this discussion anymore.That is, I'm assuming the novel description is right and humans had left the earth for some time, as it was ruined and uninhabitable. But some disaster happened, and they were forced to return. But there wasn't much safe land, so they set up something in the skies/dimensional portals or something, where some people lived, while others were on the ground. I'm assuming that the latter group, on the ground, are the Divine States (our heroes, now oppressed), and the former the Harmonic Divine States who are now their masters, after the disasters and wars in the new 15th century. I could, of course, be wrong however.
I wonder how it would work if you had a actual "good" anime with that filming style!icarus-daedelus said:It's just like the cameraman was drunk on the day of filming. Do they even have cameras in anime? It just makes it that much more mystifying.
Believe it or not, there is enough information in the anime and synopsis stated, implied and suggested that would have answered most of your questions. The novels only serve as confirmation, and the withheld information might have been used for possible future plot twists.scy said:I agree but I was solely going after trying to figure out what the hell the backstory was getting at; I've kept myself relatively safe from anything relevant to the plot itself of the show besides that. The only thing I've really found were variations on translations of the prologue summary, honestly (and reader summaries on the backstory plot).
Really, I probably could have just been patient and maybe learned it down the road but part of me figured that if they were just info dumping over the credits, that they might just go right into the meat of the plot without much to fill us in anymore.
Isn't this show about boys? Why are there... oh.Dedication Through Light said:Kimi to Boku 2
Interesting episode. Starting to get used to the mix of flashbacks to reveal more on the characters although they continually revolve around the preschool. There were some hilarious moments, which, hopefully they keep the comedy up. I think they are a bit too conservative with the soundtrack, so many ambient scenes. Yuki contines to be a fave.
Geneijin said:Believe it or not, there is enough information in the anime and synopsis stated, implied and suggested that would have answered most of your questions. The novels only serve as confirmation, and the withheld information might have been used for possible future plot twists.
And while it's true they could go right into the meat of the plot and skip into the action, I don't like the bias discussion resulting from you guys having read the novel spoilers frankly. If you guys needed that confirmation, I'm not against that. But if it's making you do as I mentioned, I could care less about the current discussion because it isn't simply about understanding the plot now. It's going into spoiler territory.
You're right. Saying the Harmonic Divine States are at least an alternate dimension of sorts was wrong of me. Wrong choice of words on my behalf actually. I'll just refer to it as a pocket dimension like the synopsis states and use TV Tropes' definition of what a pocket dimension is. But again, I could care less about novels invalidating my point when the anime hasn't (yet).
By "it" you mean the Testament? The ending credits establishes this connection between the book Testament and the Harmonic Divine States by suggesting the creation of the Harmonic Divine States was because of the book, Testament.
We only know of one entity that was trying to reenact history and that was the Divine States as stated in the ending credits. The Harmonic Divine States also participating in the history reenactment is speculation at this point.
To answer your question, it is possible humans built sky colonies because the state of the Earth was ruined and uninhabitable before they did. But since that wasn't stated, it's a trivial issue really. What's more important is what they populated in. I absolutely disagree they remade sky colonies because they lost that technology. The most likely explanation would be a dimension of sorts that would house the duplicated Divine States.
I haven't read the manga, but that image seems like a spoilercosmicblizzard said:I think you'll be fine. Yuki isn't that bad and even if he was, all yandere fans owe themselves to watch this show. Hell, Yuuno is the friggin pic for yandere on tvtropes. She's the modern poster child for it!
Instro said:I haven't read the manga, but that image seems like a spoilerThe killer we can't see at the beginning of the episode uses an axe...
There are a few reasons for that - mistranslations, bad writing, unfaithful adaptation, and poorly told. Some of the different scenarios was because of speculation merely, and I was perfectly fine with that since I was willing to wait for more details to be revealed honestly.scy said:FFair enough; I wanted confirmation that what I grasped was correct. But, at the same time, the issue of understanding things came about from the slipshod translations in conjunction with possibly the anime leaving something out (and just how convoluted the plot itself is). Honestly, if not for the discussion at hand, I'd probably have just gone in the next episode without looking up anything; it's where we're throwing around three or four different scenarios for the set-up, not the current plot, that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth in regards to understanding the plot.
That said, there's no more novel spoilers I even know about and we'll see how much it mattered that I went out to find a better translation of the prologue summary.
Is that how it looked? :lolTo be perfectly honest, I thought you knew more about the novels with the way you've been speaking about the events to come. You seem to know more about it with certainty than I certainly do.
That isn't where my disagreement is from. I think it is worthwhile. It's the adaptation = source treatment that irritates me. I'm fine if you guys need a confirmation, but as ABF has done several times with that information when thinking of the anime, if it's going to limit and delude your ideas of what will transpire in the anime, I don't care about the discussion anymore for myself frankly since I don't care about the novels. Only the anime.And, really, all we have now is some level of certainty on the facts that were supposed to be established. We can argue back and forth how much that changes things but, really, I think figuring out the background information allows for a greater understanding of the plot that will be coming up and that it was "worth" it. We have a different stance on it for this, though I'd normally be in agreement with you.
You can do that by coming onto the IRC.I apologize if the novel spoilers of the Prologue ruined this for you
You do realize that floating copy could be Harmonic Divine States as you postulated right? Because we aren't told how the Harmonic Divine States function nor looks like, it's still reasonable to speculate that the floating copy as you call it is the Harmonic Divine States before it collapses. Also, we don't know what the narrator meant by humanity reaching the heavens either. What's also important in that opening scene is the date stated: 1457, Testament Era. The Harmonic Divine States fell during the Testament Era because the Divine States failed some time during the Middle Ages as stated by the narrator. 1457 is when the civil war started too. There's enough information to speculate this anime may be unfaithful to the novels if the date changes are indeed so, so the timeline in the novels would inaccurate."Pocket dimension" is probably viable; I mean, there's really not much said one way or the other. The only thing that makes me think "floating copy" is the intro scene, but the timing doesn't seem to match up so not sure what that scene indicates yet. The HDS wasThat's about all I think we know absolutely sure right now."something" that was a copy of the land.
True, but I'm going to ignore that one specific translation you've referred to a few times as my complaints have already stated since how can I trust them if I can't understand their earlier translations? That's disregarding how almost incomprehensible the closing moments and ending credits were.I'm not sure if it's speculation, though; I mean, it's mostly down to splitting hairs on how things were translated.
And, again, it begs to question whytwo different time periods are relevant (regardless of their events towards the plot); considering that History Reenactment is a rather big deal to the plot, there should be some rationale for why two wildly separate time periods both occurring.
I think there's no doubt there are still remnants of that technology, but the technology/power to reestablish another Tenjou was lost because of its destruction or some other bullshit answer they'll give.They might have lost that technology, depending on what Tenjou is; I mean, something keeps Musashi afloat, right? Unless they come out and say it is some mysterious relic of the "past" that "somehow" works, I'm under the assumption they have some of their old technology still around.
There's no key to reading that map, and besid,es what we already know of the Divine States suggests it's not a floating continent at all. It's literally Japan.That map you posted seems to indicateso I don't think we're dealing with an antiquated society. Just whatever Tenjou was is so much of a bigger deal than what they currently have.the existence of a floating continent still, for instance, and the info dump at the end depicts scenes of other advance technology
Now you know one of the other reasons the plot is :lol worthy.Hell, pocket dimensions make me wonder why they care aboutPocket dimensions sound awesome!space/Heavens/wherever Tenjou was at all.
Geneijin said:There are a few reasons for that - mistranslations, bad writing, unfaithful adaptation, and poorly told. Some of the different scenarios was because of speculation merely, and I was perfectly fine with that since I was willing to wait for more details to be revealed honestly.
Is that how it looked? :lol
You can do that by coming onto the IRC.
You do realize that floating copy could be Harmonic Divine States as you postulated right? Because we aren't told how the Harmonic Divine States function nor looks like, it's still reasonable to speculate that the floating copy as you call it is the Harmonic Divine States before it collapses. Also, we don't know what the narrator meant by humanity reaching the heavens either. What's also important in that opening scene is the date stated: 1457, Testament Era. The Harmonic Divine States fell during the Testament Era because the Divine States failed some time during the Middle Ages as stated by the narrator. 1457 is when the civil war started too. There's enough information to speculate this anime may be unfaithful to the novels if the date changes are indeed so, so the timeline in the novels would inaccurate.
Because it marks a beginning and an end. You're forgetting about the apocalypse mentioned. Also, you're not thinking about the Testament enough. Speculation:Plot twist indeed. Because think about it. Only one small group of people, the Testament Union, dictates how the reenactment goes. It also means only a few people have access to reading that book. It's a classic setup if they plan to do it this way. :lolIt could very well be that the fall of the Harmonic Divine States was foretold in the Testament, and humanity is following their history to an end - the apocalypse - unless someone saves humanity.
I think there's no doubt there are still remnants of that technology, but the technology/power to reestablish another Tenjou was lost because of its destruction or some other bullshit answer they'll give.
There's no key to reading that map, and besid,es what we already know of the Divine States suggests it's not a floating continent at all. It's literally Japan.
Now you know one of the other reasons the plot is :lol worthy.
Well, that's better than him say that it'll never happen, I guess.At AWA, ABe said that the Despera anime isn't completely dead yet, but it would take many years to finish at best. He's also involved in another unknown anime project.
Yeah, that scene you mention in the spoiler was pretty great. It came out of absolutely nowhere, makes no sense at all, and was so ridiculous that it was both quite funny (best thing in the episode for sure) and stayed that way through the whole scene, all the way until theyEmmanuelMunoz said:Twin Angel Finale
You were right ABF, that was pretty amazing. I was kind of upset thatBy far one of the most out of nowhere scenes I have seen in a while was theTuxedo mask came back; I knew that he would, but was hoping that the show would keep with the tone of the last episode. And why the hell did we not get to watch the fight between deer head and bear head!moe~rocket! How the hell did they even think that simply chanting "We can do it" would allow them to suddenly fly into space???
The show overall was a fun hodgepodge of anime cliches rolled up into one ridiculous show. Add on to that an obscenely catchy ED song, and you have Twin Angel.
None of the reasons I've stated is saying the adaptation forgot something. I think you've misunderstood me. In general, I don't think you'll see a production forget to ever add something they've intended. Unable to, sure.scy said:I suppose what it ultimately comes down to, I don't like to blame the adaptation as forgetting something and just rolling with it unless I have good reason to believe so; since the translations seemed spotty at best, I didn't feel like it was just that things were left out.
Unclear translations, bad writing in general, and things like that I was hoping to squash for myself, not necessarily "So, what did the Anime forget?"
Yeah, this is another discussion entirely, which I don't want to bother with, so I'll excuse myself out of this :lolBut I will admit that I like my adaptations to be a bit strict to following their source material unless they have good reason for the deviation (clarify things, better idea, that shit was stupid, etc.). It doesn't necessarily have to be 1:1, but it shouldn't do things differently "just because!" so I don't think about "okay, doing something new with the material" when differences arise.
Though, that really only applies when I know the source material for maximum disappointment; I don't know this so as long as it's interesting, or lol-inducing, it should all be fine~
My point was that the dimensional door could be speculated as having been destroyed in the opening scene, and the pocket dimension broke, causing the collapse of the pocket dimension/Harmonic Divine States. It isn't so much a floating continent anymore but a land falling.Well, I'm not dismissing the idea yet, just saying your pocket dimension idea and my floating continent one are equally valid as of right now as literally all we know is basically that it exists/ed.
Wait a minute. I know the writing was bad, but are you telling me they were so incompetent that they could have possibly put the wrong date as an error? I don't believe that, and I refuse to entertain such an idea. There's enough to suggest the anime isn't going to follow the novel's timeline because of that. An error could happen, but really, on the first episode?And the time stamp on the opening is possible an error, a deviation, or just something else; it's clearly there for a reason though so we'll see what it leads to.
As they say, sometimes, the obvious things are forgotten.I'm still half expectingThe Testament Union to just be making shit up; that's so tired and overused, though, that I'm not sure which would surprise me more: Them actually using it or them not.
Have you thought about reading it like this:I'm keeping theapocalypse timer in mind; I'm just still stuck a bit on the existence of both periods simultaneously for any reason besides them wanting to use events from both to fuel the conflict. Like, if the Harmonic Divine States and the Divine States were both reenacting History and we're left with two different periods being reenacted ... though this works under so many extra assumptions that I'm not sure how viable it is. It could just be, as you say, the end of one period and leading into the next, rather than both occurring RIGHT NOW at the same time.
Or they throw us into the meat of the plot, and all we see are explosions and action (not that I mind).When things start to happen, this will quickly clarify itself so I'm not too worried about figuring out all the details right this very minute.
Yeah, I did misunderstand. I missed that actually. But that map is from the novels, so I'll refrain from thinking much on it.I think you misunderstand a little. I'm referring toEngland, in the top-left, says "Floating Land" as their territory.
I didn't expect this plot either.Honestly, I watched the first episode just to see why Toori has such a shit-eating grin on. Now the ridiculousness of this plot has me engrossed. Possibly for all the wrong reasons.
They invented one for that show, because they are pioneers.icarus-daedelus said:It's just like the cameraman was drunk on the day of filming. Do they even have cameras in anime? It just makes it that much more mystifying.
Geneijin said:None of the reasons I've stated is saying the adaptation forgot something. I think you've misunderstood me. In general, I don't think you'll see a production forget to ever add something they've intended. Unable to, sure.
Yeah, this is another discussion entirely, which I don't want to bother with, so I'll excuse myself out of this :lol
My point was that the dimensional door could be speculated as having been destroyed in the opening scene, and the pocket dimension broke, causing the collapse of the pocket dimension/Harmonic Divine States. It isn't so much a floating continent anymore but a land falling.
Wait a minute. I know the writing was bad, but are you telling me they were so incompetent that they could have possibly put the wrong date as an error? I don't believe that, and I refuse to entertain such an idea. There's enough to suggest the anime isn't going to follow the novel's timeline because of that. An error could happen, but really, on the first episode?
Have you thought about reading it like this:they are reliving the Warring States period and the Thirty Years War because the Warring States period is about to end and the Thirty Years War is about to begin with Tori's declaration of world domination?
Also, yes. The least assumptions we can make, the more valid it should be.
Or they throw us into the meat of the plot, and all we see are explosions and action (not that I mind).
Yeah, I did misunderstand. I missed that actually. But that map is from the novels, so I'll refrain from thinking much on it.
I didn't expect this plot either.
Next thing we'll know, Oshii will actually fulfil his earlier promise to go back to the style of Gosenzosama Banbanzai!.Krev said:Woah, I never thought he'd go back to that style. Excited!
There was a brief period at the start of his career, like in 1981, where he hadn't become weird awesome Oshii, then Beautiful Dreamer happened...icarus-daedelus said:What is the difference between old Oshii and golden Oshii? Aren't those the same thing?
I think that's a misstatement =PA Black Falcon said:Yeah, they want to recreate it, but not have the disaster that happened the first time happen again. They don't seem to be having much success, given that they can't even get through all of the past history without having further disasters and wars.
I only meant that one translation specifically. Two, if you count the revision done to it.I agree, all of the translations have their problems.
I'm just going to say the sky since I usually seeSpace seems to be my guess for where Tenjou was. Spaceships? Offworld colonies? Space colonies? Something else, but clearly not on the Earth, perhaps? Something like that, anyway. But other than that, yes, I agree with this explanation.
(I'm not sure if this quote should be spoilered or not. Perhaps, but I'll leave it out for now.)
One explanation could be that the anime isn't going to follow the novel's timeline.I was thinking that the conquest of the Divine States happened in 1457 and now it is 1648, but yes, dates are an issue. For instance, the Wikipedia article for the show mentions the Divine States-Harmonic Divine States war as starting in 1419, not 1457... I don't know why there is a discrepancy, or what the answer is.
Oh, but it does. Semantics, my friend!Those two don't sound THAT different really...
darkside31337 said:C3 2:
Pretty much why I give almost every show I watch more than one episode.
If you planned on dropping the show after one episode I'd really really strongly suggest checking out the second episode before doing so.
I was going into this show expecting something along the lines of a Ro-Kyu-Bu. Haha boy was I wrong.
The entire first episode was a total chore to watch but it's entire purpose is to basically help set up episode 2.
The fight scenes were great stuff and the way they went about the entire fight was even better.
Really really looking forward to more of this show.
zeroshiki said:There's apparently a controversy regarding an Android app (AppTV) that lets you watch streamed anime for free. It apparently does "targeted marketing" in the sense that it sends to home base everything you do :lol It reports what apps you have and even usage time.
The company had to pull it down when users found out and their excuse basically was: "welp, sorry we forgot to ask you to agree to that in the privacy policy"
I wonder what crap otaku have in their phones :lol
It was a choice either way!scy said:True, probably not "forgetting" so much as choosing otherwise (or forced otherwise, depending on circumstances).
An answer we need.It could be that, or it could be a collapse from the skies; I really hope it gets discussed if only so we know for sure, even if it ends up being an ultimately minor detail.
Ah, yeah. That's where my confusion was.It's happened before, though I added the possibility of an error only as a catch-all of getting every possible explanation. I don't think that's what happened as that would just be too stupid entirely. It's either a purposeful change or as originally intended.
It very well could be that, especially if the rate thatthey go through the history reenactment isn't 1:1 (since, again, they sat through _11,000_ years of reenactments?!). They could easily jump from the end of the Warring States period right into Thirty Years War period, with Toori's rebellion being the kick off for the Thirty Years War reenactment. The only thing keeping me from going full on with that is I'd think the history reenactment being something done by the Union in a controlled way, though they may be pulling the strings anyway </conspiracy>.
I still bet on the latter being true~That's also why I say we'll know very soon once things kick off. If we start seeingbattles/events from both periods, we'll know that they're both occurring; if we see the end of the Warring States period leading right into the Thirty Years War, we'll know it's as you say.
The ridiculousness is a selling point for me too.Even if nothing gets resolved story wise, I just like the various characters and abilities; just kind of a particular fancy of mine. Yuu Yuu Hakusho, Hunter x Hunter, Law of Ueki etc. kind of things with the sheer range of different powers. The first episode seemed competent enough for action so I'd be fine with just explosions and action (and crazy hair).
duckroll said:I don't see the problem. Kenshin looks like a girl, so what's wrong with casting a guy who looks like a girl to play him?!
Unknown Soldier said:It seems like most of the live-action anime movies are cheap cash-ins.
BluWacky said:I've only skimmed the comments but I see more people being wary about Hiroyuki Yoshino's work - they may well be right, but I suppose we can only wait and see.
Whatever happened to Space Battleship Yamoto anyway?zeroshiki said:With the state of the Japanese entertainment industry, unless its some slice of life drama (like Bunny Drop) its almost guaranteed to be bad.
DiGiKerot said:Don't tell me that people are still bitter about the My-HiME ending...
firehawk12 said:Whatever happened to Space Battleship Yamoto anyway?
Marimite is god tier, clearly.zeroshiki said:I have a copy. Its... really bad :lol
And its supposed to be this big budget action movie with famous actors up the wazoo.