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2011 Fall Anime Thread - Bad Shows & Self Hating Nerds

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Trojita

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So the Second Ore no Imouto PSP game is being made. Here is someone's poorly translated summary

Interview was with OreImo's author Fushimi-sensei, game producer Miki-san, and Dengeki Magazine editor-in-chief Futami-san.
7 heroines: Kirino, Kuroneko, Manami, Saori, Ayase, Kanako, Sena
Fushimi-sensei writes Kirino's sister-in-law route, Kanako route, Saori route, Kuroneko's Yamineko short story route, Ayase epilogue, a hidden short story route, and common (beginning?!) event.
Not sure about this but the basic is, you're already going out with the heroine from the beginning of their route.
Detailed summary for each heroine story
  • Kirino route
    Her main story from the previous game is already complete so now they expand the sister-in-law if route since it was too short before. It starts with the same "sibling without blood-related bonds" setting like before. Fushimi-sensei said it feels the setting is like a balance breaker, that there's a weapon to instantly killed the last boss and you already equipped it from the start. Futami-san think that Kirino is so cute it hurts here.
  • Kuroneko route
    Apart from the normal route where you date Kuroneko, there's also Yamineko route that start from the previous Ayase route where Kyousuke and Ayase went to Summer Comicket but here they didn't confess to each other. If the normal route deals with you enjoy the cute side of Kuroneko, the Yamineko route where Kuroneko fall to darkside will be filled with situation comedy. There's also a new epilogue for her.
  • Manami route
    Written by Miki-san. Her story is different from other heroines so it's little bit special, and it will pleases Manami fans. If there is more time, Fushimi-sensei wanted to write epilogue for Manami too like he wrote Ayase's.
  • Saori route
    You will be dating Saori from the beginning. And there will be a lot of scenes where Saori appears without her glasses, and they will also introduce cute new characters that haven't even appeared yet on anime that will surprise us. Miki-san said that Saori story is "not fair".
  • Ayase route
    Since Fushimi-sensei already wrote her story before so this time he leaves it to Miki-san, but he at least want to write a new epilogue for her. Futami said that Fushimi-sensei wrote wonderful story before, so it really puts pressure this time. There will be cute and entertaining date scenes, but there's also a horror on it.
  • Kanako route
    Continuing her (mini) route from the previous game. This newly written route is linked to many parts. Kyousuke and Kanako couple is surprisingly fit excellently so look forward to their dialogue.
  • Sena route
    Her route begins just like the original story. Here, Kirino and Sena already known each other but Kyousuke didn't know that. Her and Ayase route made Fushimi-sensei worried; Ayase route being hard to compare to her previous route and Sena route is because it's involving Sena's brocon feeling to Kouhei thus really close to OreImo main theme, or something XD
The last question was which route recommended to be played.
Fushimi-sensei recommends every route. But he specially recommend Kirino's since there's a lot of scene that can only happen on the game. And since she doesn't related by blood with Kyousuke, Kirino's attitude towards Manami will also change.
Miki-san recommends Manami route.
Futami-san recommends Ayase route due to its "date with Ayase-tan" cuteness
You don't need to play the previous game to enjoy this sequel.
Release date is still TBA

Sounds fun.
 

DiGiKerot

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33k for the first volume of Persona 4 is a really good start. Definitely one of the heavyweights this season as expected. The Persona brand is strong.

I don't know, it's the second volumes sales that are likely to be truly indicative. The thing to bear in mind is that it's a cut-price, single episode volume that is also the only way to get the OP/ED CD single, which is likely to be one of the larger factors driving demand.

The first volume of the first season of Working!! actually pulled very similar numbers under the same circumstances, and promptly dropped off by about half following that.
 

duckroll

Member
I don't know, it's the second volumes sales that are likely to be truly indicative. The thing to bear in mind is that it's a cut-price, single episode volume that is also the only way to get the OP/ED CD single, which is likely to be one of the larger factors driving demand.

The first volume of the first season of Working!! actually pulled very similar numbers under the same circumstances, and promptly dropped off by about half following that.

Even if Persona 4 ends up selling half of those numbers on average for the remaining volumes, it will still be the most successful series this season. I don't see Guilty Crown being able to match the numbers. Fate/Zero can probably outsell everything, but we won't know until March next year.
 

Trojita

Rapid Response Threadmaker
Wait, Kirino and Kyousuke aren't
blood-related
?!

In one of the "What if?" scenarios
Kirino and Kyousuke find out that they aren't related by blood. One of them was adopted. It is literally the only thing that was keeping her from boning her brother.
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
In one of the "What if?" scenarios
Kirino and Kyousuke find out that they aren't related by blood. One of them was adopted. It is literally the only thing that was keeping her from boning her brother.
Wait, so that means they still aren't
blood-related in all the other time lines
?!
 

Trojita

Rapid Response Threadmaker
Wait, so that means they still aren't
blood-related in all the other time lines
?!
Nope. Well.... technically if they don't even talk about it, it could still be possible. But yeah I think it is assumed they are
still related in the other routes.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Why would anyone pay money to count how many cars or pedestrians pass by? I've never heard of a job like that.
Surveying. You need to gather information on how roads are used somehow. People sitting on the side of the road counting is the traditional way to do it, but other methods are more common now like just laying down a pneumatic tube across the road and counting depressions.

This show is like, My Little Pony! Great animation, cute girls doing cute stuff, an overtly exuberant male fanbase, and all that hullabaloo. AnimuGAF and PonyGAF are truly closer than they wish to admit.
Fluttermoe is blushing.
 

cajunator

Banned
Surveying. People sitting on the side of the road counting is the traditional way to do it, but other methods are more common now like just laying down a pneumatic tube across the road and counting depressions.

Fluttermoe is blushing.

Except those slacker moeblobs couldn't even count the cars correctly.
 
This post is like 3 pages old now (counting as a member of the 100 Posts Per Page Master Race), but it's something I meant to respond to. I'm not having a Jex moment here.

First of all, how can you say that with that avatar? Pfft.

For the record, Yuno never tortures anybody. Torture is incredibly slow and inefficient, and Yuno's primary goal is to return to being at Yukki's side as soon as possible, so she kills her enemies joyfully with both speed and efficiency so she can hurry up and resume stalking Yukki. It's one reason she prefers to use bladed weapons, I think. A decapitation is both swift and effective and with her apparent skill with blades, it's considerably more effective than firearms.

Second of all, a serious academic defense of "torture porn" - http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hilden/20070716.html - note, I do not endorse all of the opinions expressed herein.

It's an interesting read, at the very least. I always find contrived academic defenses of what are fundamentally blatant examples of exploitation cinema in a genre amusing.

Third of all, suffering makes for compelling drama & emotion and may or may not emanate from torcher! Harrumph!

You should get into watching K-dramas. :3
 

mAcOdIn

Member
As expected, vol2 releases for new shows have all taken a dip. Penguin Drum Vol2 is down to 4.5k (from 5.2k for Vol1), and Working!! is down to 11k for DVD+BD (from 15k for Vol1). If Penguin Drum stabilizes at about 4k per volume from here on out, it can't really be said to be a success at all. But the good news is that such poor sales will probably help to hasten a cheap license which Sentai can pick up, and they can release the entire series on a cheap BD box set with no dub in 2012! Lolz. Think positive!

Are the Japanese rights holders that reactionary? It seems the opposite to me, if it were merely sales that drove the cost of a license overseas I think we'd have a lot more shit so I figure that even if something is a failure on their shores they still look over here like "it's the shit fuckers, better pay handsomely."
 

duckroll

Member
Are the Japanese rights holders that reactionary? It seems the opposite to me, if it were merely sales that drove the cost of a license overseas I think we'd have a lot more shit so I figure that even if something is a failure on their shores they still look over here like "it's the shit fuckers, better pay handsomely."

It depends on the nature of the bomba. If the show is still profitable but just missed expectations, and is a popular franchise/brand, then there's no reason they would react to it much in terms of licensing. On the other hand if a show is a sort of failure domestically, it would almost certainly have an impact on the license being hawked off at a lower price just so they can recoup some more money from the project. Remember, it's all about money in the end. It also matters if there is actual interest in terms of licensing a show. If there are interested bidders, they wouldn't react much. If no one is really interested, you bet your ass they'll jump at the first low offer.
 

mAcOdIn

Member
It depends on the nature of the bomba. If the show is still profitable but just missed expectations, and is a popular franchise/brand, then there's no reason they would react to it much in terms of licensing. On the other hand if a show is a sort of failure domestically, it would almost certainly have an impact on the license being hawked off at a lower price just so they can recoup some more money from the project. Remember, it's all about money in the end. It also matters if there is actual interest in terms of licensing a show. If there are interested bidders, they wouldn't react much. If no one is really interested, you bet your ass they'll jump at the first low offer.
This better not be a round about way of telling me that all the shit I want that's unlicensed is because there's no interest. I tell myself it's because they want too much damnit.
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
It depends on what shit you want. Both answers are valid!

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Penguin 3 is disappointed
 

duckroll

Member
In other to push mainstream merchandising to have worthwhile sales at all, a show first needs to be popular and a known brand. If a show airs at 3am, has shit ratings, isn't really targeted at any demographic, and the DVD/BD sales bomb, the change of merchandising making any money is pretty low.
 

DiGiKerot

Member
Even if Persona 4 ends up selling half of those numbers on average for the remaining volumes, it will still be the most successful series this season. I don't see Guilty Crown being able to match the numbers. Fate/Zero can probably outsell everything, but we won't know until March next year.

You'd be surprised how much difficulty some Japanese e-tailers have been having keeping Horizon on the Middle of Nowhere novels in stock...

*ahem* All joking aside, point taken - I just wanted to warn against people reading too much into sales of a volume which may not be indicative of the series as a whole due to the particulars of the volume in question.
 

RurouniZel

Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Nope. Well.... technically if they don't even talk about it, it could still be possible. But yeah I think it is assumed they are
still related in the other routes.

Yeah, as I understand it, the PSP OreImos are to the main story as the Tenchi TV series was to the Tenchi OVA. It's basically an alternate universe.
 
As expected, vol2 releases for new shows have all taken a dip. Penguin Drum Vol2 is down to 4.5k (from 5.2k for Vol1), and Working!! is down to 11k for DVD+BD (from 15k for Vol1). If Penguin Drum stabilizes at about 4k per volume from here on out, it can't really be said to be a success at all. But the good news is that such poor sales will probably help to hasten a cheap license which Sentai can pick up, and they can release the entire series on a cheap BD box set with no dub in 2012! Lolz. Think positive!


At this rate thats the only way Ill be able to get into Penguin Drum, I hate missing popular shows late in the season.
 

Cwarrior

Member
persona sales -_-..........does this mean theres hope for the budget to go up?

Penguin Drum has good character designs, but it's sometimes hard to tell due to bad animation direction.

No.

The characters look like they came out of any random shoujo manga then got a bunch of ugly colours slapped on to them (don't get me start about shoujo manga art), while the adult characters are a failed attempt at copying 70s to early 90s drama anime/manga(shibru), topped off with very inconsistent animation where the character looks would change frame by frame.

But still anime character design is mostly bland , it’s come to point where I would take ugly mishmash of colour over bland.
 

darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
So the Second Ore no Imouto PSP game is being made. Here is someone's poorly translated summary

Kuroneko route
Apart from the normal route where you date Kuroneko, there's also Yamineko route that start from the previous Ayase route where Kyousuke and Ayase went to Summer Comicket but here they didn't confess to each other. If the normal route deals with you enjoy the cute side of Kuroneko, the Yamineko route where Kuroneko fall to darkside will be filled with situation comedy.

Nice.

In other to push mainstream merchandising to have worthwhile sales at all, a show first needs to be popular and a known brand. If a show airs at 3am, has shit ratings, isn't really targeted at any demographic, and the DVD/BD sales bomb, the change of merchandising making any money is pretty low.

It's so true. People just need to accept Penguindrum is bomba. And we all know shows that don't sell well are obviously bad.

Also <3 Hitokage. I deserved it :(

STILL NOT GONNA GET ME TO WATCH THOUGH.
 

Branduil

Member
If anything, these sales prove that Persona 4 shouldn't have had a higher budget. If the minimal effort and money they're putting in can yield this kind of result, why bother putting in more?

It's an important lesson. The Japanese anime buyers have no taste and will buy absolute crap, so there's no reason to try hard at all.
 

mAcOdIn

Member
If anything, these sales prove that Persona 4 shouldn't have had a higher budget. If the minimal effort and money they're putting in can yield this kind of result, why bother putting in more?
I was going to say pride in your product and the desire to put forth your absolute best effort but, obviously, people who have to work on shit like Sora no Otoshimono and Strike Witches 2 have to be pretty lacking in that trait.
 
Mononoke 10

The shift in time period is unexpected, but welcome. Curious that the show is going with another arc about a bakeneko; I suppose it's trying to bring things full circle while also bridging the world of Mononoke with modern Japan.
 
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