BrokenEchelon
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Good luck Mittens.
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2012 First U.S. Presidential Debate |OT| OK Libya... We need a leader, not a reader.
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teruterubozu
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Alright moment of truth, President Obama and Romney are both decent debaters. I wonder what zingers Romney has prepared. This is basically it, the other ones will also cover foreign policy and Obama is mostly on solid ground there despite recent events. So if Obama gets through this first debate without taking any major hits, gives as good as he gets, then he is in the clear.
This is the urn.
As a Brit I'd guess CSPAN?
Good luck Mittens.
Everytime I see this map I'm stunned how tiny the window is for Mitt to actually win. I mean, if Obama wins Ohio, call this shit. There's no way he's going to win Ohio and not at least one other critical swing state that puts him over
I know it's stating the obvious, but it's why there would literally have to be some cosmic shift at the next three debates for something to change.
Wiz
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PBS is probably the way to go.
BrokenEchelon
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I have a feeling this is going to be a boring debate. Mittens didn't particularly fuck up during the GOP debates aside from Ron Paul yelling at him a few times.
It'll just go back and forth about jobs and private sectors and small business and employment rates and inheriting the economy and yadda yadda ad inifitium.
Mittens is more likely to slip during the foreign policy debate.
I do look forward to Biden verbally raping Ryan next week though.
As I said earlier, it's the health care segment of this debate I'm going to be most excited for. How can Mitt Romney possibly defend his position after so many months of saying he'll repeal the very thing he thought was good for Massachusetts? It's going to be fascinating to see how Obama pushes the issue.
Rentahamster
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Should be good. Time to get the popcorns.
One thing about Obama's speaking style when not reading from a prepared script: he says "um" and "uhh" too damn much. I really hope he works on that.
Romney needs to work on his people skills.
One thing about Obama's speaking style when not reading from a prepared script: he says "um" and "uhh" too damn much. I really hope he works on that.
Romney needs to work on his people skills.
Federalism.
that argument will go exactly nowhere with voters, so I hope he uses it.
Rentahamster
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He's used it before. Don't see why he wouldn't try again.
MasterShotgun
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Been looking forward to this for a while. Hopefully Obama comes out of tonight clean since this will likely be his toughest debate. Also, I think Romney will do a little better than I'd expect, but there will still be a serious fuck-up that gets hammered until the next debate.
The Chosen One
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So what does CNN have in store for us tonight? Will they hookup body monitors to undecided voters and display their vital signs at the bottom of the screen throughout the debate?
mercenar1e
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polyh3dron
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Yeah I just want Obama to repeatedly hammer Mitt for being on both sides of every issue with specific references.
Well, that and more importantly, his stupid comments won't go unchallenged like they normally are.
The Jason
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grimshawish
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Federalism isn't the worst argument in the world but his policy in the White House would have to be clear; a Federalist society could still have top down targets on health coverage from the White House - leaving it to states to find the best system for them.
The healthcare debate won't affect either side, the lines are drawn already. Romney's only difficulty is he can't play the 'people against government' line; its more about State empowerment than the grass roots conservative ideas. The types that won't play well to are not voting for Obama anyway though. Romney is the lesser of two evils.
With Independents it will be about the 'best system' - if Romney offers federalist ideas he might actually do reasonably well, but if there very laissez faire - he'll lose out. Whilst a flip here and a flop here would usually help a candidate, Romney might just stick with his current line and hope to beat Obama on other matters.
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Had to laugh at this from the republican political strategist on the BBC News site though:
People who can't accept their against public opinion do talk a lot of rubbish sometimes; not only are current polls 'outliers' but the entire election was a statistical outlier
The healthcare debate won't affect either side, the lines are drawn already. Romney's only difficulty is he can't play the 'people against government' line; its more about State empowerment than the grass roots conservative ideas. The types that won't play well to are not voting for Obama anyway though. Romney is the lesser of two evils.
With Independents it will be about the 'best system' - if Romney offers federalist ideas he might actually do reasonably well, but if there very laissez faire - he'll lose out. Whilst a flip here and a flop here would usually help a candidate, Romney might just stick with his current line and hope to beat Obama on other matters.
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Had to laugh at this from the republican political strategist on the BBC News site though:
People who can't accept their against public opinion do talk a lot of rubbish sometimes; not only are current polls 'outliers' but the entire election was a statistical outlier
Salvor.Hardin
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I'm hoping they revive the Tupac hologram technology to bring us a Reagan and Kennedy bout.
Funky Papa
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I have a feeling this is going to be a boring debate. Mittens didn't particularly fuck up during the GOP debates aside from Ron Paul yelling at him a few times.
It'll just go back and forth about jobs and private sectors and small business and employment rates and inheriting the economy and yadda yadda ad inifitium.
Mittens is more likely to slip during the foreign policy debate.
I do look forward to Biden verbally raping Ryan next week though.
Romney needs his speech software updated and Obama will play it safe. The real fun will come with Biden and Ryan, I fully agree.
polyh3dron
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Robert F. Kennedy to be more specific.
Officerrob
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Probably, but I wish they would drop that crap. When they talk to the "undecided" voters, it's obvious they arn't undecided at all.
astroturfing
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hmm, shouldn't it have started already?
or did i get my timezones wrong again, damnit.
or did i get my timezones wrong again, damnit.
BrokenEchelon
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It's in a little over an hour.
MasterShotgun
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They start in about 1 hour 15 minutes.
Good luck Mittens.
Thank you for putting this up.
I'm finding that a lot of folks (outside of the well-real NeoGAF crowd and online political junkies) don't realize just how tilted the Electoral Map has become against Republicans. I've shown a similar map to family and friends, and they're pretty surprised.
astroturfing
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Biased polls. If Romney takes less then 370 electoral votes come November, I'll post a youtube video of me eating my own shit.
The Jason
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Well it still depends on people actually voting. But states that use to be red states are now leaning blue. The demographics of such states have changes a lot in the last 20 years.
Yeah, the electoral map is looking very good for Obama, even if the popular vote is a 50-50 split I think Obama still wins. The only thing that sucks is he needs to win Ohio+another state. Even if it is very unlikely that he would win Ohio but lose the other states, the idea of them each getting 269 is really annoying. It would mean Mitt Romney wins.
Bad bet.
Nevada and Iowa are looking more and more solid as time goes by (and the Dems are banking some heavy early voting numbers in Iowa currently). Either one of those two would put Obama over the top.
Is this a joke or are you actually an unskewer?
-Pyromaniac-
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Erin Burnett is adorable AND smart. Also I hate these undecided voter things, so annoying. CNN is really annoying lately, they've literally been repeating the same stuff for days now.
Not sure if serious... I don't think Biden is going to verbally rape anything other than himself. I mean Sarah Palin as bad as she is destroyed him in the 2008 debates.
Yeah I'm not sure if YOU'RE serious
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*takes deep breath*
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arglebargle
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also undecided voters are generally idiots.
wtf
Giuliani: "If you get too specific, you risk people disagreeing with you"
YEAH NO SHIT, WHAT A BOLD LEADERSHIP STRATEGY lolol
now he's waxing on and on about why getting specific is a negative for voters
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