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[reilo]

Comparing Lebron playing the same good defensive team 3 or 6 times in a row is not the same as Lebron playing a random 3-6 teams in a row during the NBA season.

It's so easy to demonstrate Lebron checks out when games matter. Not sure why such a silly streak must be established. It's like when ESPN says "1st left handed player in 35 years to have X points, Y assists, Z rebounds while playing between 33 and 35 minutes"

But we aren't talking about a guy that averages 50FG% meeting a good defensive team and seeing his percentage dip to say, 40-45% for maybe two to three straight games. That's what is to be expected, right?

Lebron's shooting numbers drop by anywhere from 30-50%, in multiple series spanning three to four games. He's never established those kinds of streaks in the regular season (where I would argue it's more likely to happen due to schedule, fatigue, rustiness, injury, no-fucks-given, many more games played, what-not). It's baffling.

 

[Black Mamba]

But we aren't talking about a guy that averages 50FG% meeting a good defensive team and seeing his percentage dip to say, 40-45% for maybe two to three straight games. That's what is to be expected, right?

Lebron's shooting numbers drop by anywhere from 30-50%, in multiple series spanning three to four games. He's never established those kinds of streaks in the regular season (where I would argue it's more likely to happen due to schedule, fatigue, rustiness, injury, no-fucks-given, many more games played, what-not). It's baffling.

I'd say it's close to impossible to happen in the regular season but possible in the playoffs. For anyone.

How many 6 game stretches does Lebron go without playing 1 bad team? Or 1 mediocre team?

Like I said earlier, Lebron doesn't choke. He checks out of games/series for reasons we can discuss. Which would explain those playoff numbers.

 

[ThisWreckage]

I'm almost 100% positive the Heat are going to win it all this year. Lebron will still be considered a sub par playoff performer, but it will be borderline irrelevant if he gets a ring. Or if he has an amazing Finals or something.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

That one Boston series was so odd. It was like he was daydreaming or something. The whole series felt like a daydream after game 2 or 3 or whatever it was

 

[reilo]

I'd say it's close to impossible to happen in the regular season but possible in the playoffs. For anyone.

How many 6 game stretches does Lebron go without playing 1 bad team? Or 1 mediocre team?

Like I said earlier, Lebron doesn't choke. He checks out of games/series for reasons we can discuss. Which would explain those playoff numbers.

Between 2005-06 until now, number of streaks (2+ games) where each player shot below 40FG% during the regular season:

Kobe Bryant: 33 (69 total games, http://bit.ly/A6wkop)
Dirk Nowitzki: 26 (55 total games, http://bit.ly/xwdjTI)
Lebron James: 15 (31 total games, http://bit.ly/y3D3M2)

Between 2005-06 until now, number of streaks (2+ games) where each player shot below 40FG% during the playoffs:

Kobe Bryant: 3 (7 total games, http://bit.ly/AApD0g)
Dirk Nowitzki: 1 (2 total games, http://bit.ly/x6omTs)
Lebron James: 6 (18 total games, http://bit.ly/AlSUrQ)

I'm not crazy.

 

[Black Mamba]

Between 2005-06 until now, number of streaks (2+ games) where each player shot below 40FG% during the regular season:

Kobe Bryant: 33 (69 total games, http://bit.ly/A6wkop)
Dirk Nowitzki: 26 (55 total games, http://bit.ly/xwdjTI)
Lebron James: 15 (31 total games, http://bit.ly/y3D3M2)

Between 2005-06 until now, number of streaks (2+ games) where each player shot below 40FG% during the playoffs:

Kobe Bryant: 3 (7 total games, http://bit.ly/AApD0g)
Dirk Nowitzki: 1 (2 total games, http://bit.ly/x6omTs)
Lebron James: 6 (18 total games, http://bit.ly/AlSUrQ)

I'm not crazy.

Like I said earlier, Lebron doesn't choke. He checks out of games/series for reasons we can discuss. Which would explain those playoff numbers.

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[Blackhead]

I'd say it's close to impossible to happen in the regular season but possible in the playoffs. For anyone.

How many 6 game stretches does Lebron go without playing 1 bad team? Or 1 mediocre team?

Like I said earlier, Lebron doesn't choke. He checks out of games/series for reasons we can discuss. Which would explain those playoff numbers.

Could you explain your definitions of 'choke' and 'checks out' and the differences you see between the two?

 

[Duki]

Between 2005-06 until now, number of streaks (2+ games) where each player shot below 40FG% during the regular season:

Kobe Bryant: 33 (69 total games, http://bit.ly/A6wkop)
Dirk Nowitzki: 26 (55 total games, http://bit.ly/xwdjTI)
Lebron James: 15 (31 total games, http://bit.ly/y3D3M2)

Between 2005-06 until now, number of streaks (2+ games) where each player shot below 40FG% during the playoffs:

Kobe Bryant: 3 (7 total games, http://bit.ly/AApD0g)
Dirk Nowitzki: 1 (2 total games, http://bit.ly/x6omTs)
Lebron James: 6 (18 total games, http://bit.ly/AlSUrQ)

I'm not crazy.

youre comparing prime kobe and dirk to babyface lebron to prove anything

like actually tho

 

[reilo]

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I don't see the difference.

At least, if there was one, checking out would imply not attempting to do something, whereas choking is attempting but not accomplishing. Lebron has attempted plenty of field-goals.

The numbers are startling.

youre comparing prime kobe and dirk to babyface lebron to prove anything

like actually tho

What?

The reason I chose those years: 7 MVPs and 7 Finals appearances among those three and all of them were in the playoffs.

Hell, I could counter that Dirk and Kobe are past their prime during some of those years. But keep on slurping. Hope Lebron was nice enough to give you a napkin.

 

[Barrage]

Reading through this thread, and seeing Dynasty bringing up Sean May...I ain't thought of that motherfucker in years.

I distinctly remember when UNC won in '05, watching and thinking, "this is Sean May's peak. He will never come close to this moment again." It was a little depressing.

Too bad he didn't get a big payday like Marvin did.

 

[diehard]

does reilo always go on one of these after losing to a Lebron team?

 

[Duki]

i misread it i thought you were looking at 05-06 and earlier i was like what

why the fuck would you compare lebron's early years to guys in their prime

w.e mr unclutch just dropped 38 11 6 5 0 on your team, youre bound to be salty

 

[ph33nix]

w.e mr unclutch just dropped 38 11 6 5 0 on your team, youre bound to be salty

avatar quote


lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fljz38MJXLo

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I'm almost 100% positive the Heat are going to win it all this year.

I think we all are if we are being serious about things.

I think I mentioned that I saw them as the favorites right after they lost the Finals last year.

Plus they added Battier on the defense end. Most underrated pick-up of the off season besides Norris Cole.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

i misread it i thought you were looking at 05-06 and earlier i was like what

why the fuck would you compare lebron's early years to guys in their prime

w.e mr unclutch just dropped 38 11 6 5 0 on your team, youre bound to be salty

First I thought you were kind of joking, then I actually paid attention to reilo's requirements.

At the same point in Kobe's career, for instance...

http://www.basketball-reference.com...at=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=

25 games

and Dirk

http://www.basketball-reference.com...at=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=

17 games

So ummm......What was your point reilo? At the same point in their careers Dirk and Kobe look just as bad or worse than LeBron for these requirements.

 

[Black Mamba]

Could you explain your definitions of 'choke' and 'checks out' and the differences you see between the two?

Choke is when you try and fail. check out is when you just are there. Lebron checked out of the Finals last year. And in '10 vs Boston.

I don't see the difference.

At least, if there was one, checking out would imply not attempting to do something, whereas choking is attempting but not accomplishing. Lebron has attempted plenty of field-goals.

The numbers are startling.

Shooting doesn't mean you're not checked out. he's out there so he can't just stand forever in one spot or sit down or something. But there's a big difference between how Lebron normally tries to play and how he did play.

Go back in the Finals thread and see how many people were posting about how Lebron would just pass the moment he got the ball. Would just stand away from the play, trying to avoid the play. Etc. Yeah, he took some shots and stuff, because he had to do so, but he played completely contrary to how he always plays.



The numbers aren't startling at all. For one, pretty sure Lebron played in a lot more games than Dirk so had more chances to compile those numbers in the playoffs. For another, I wouldn't expect Lebron to have many sub 40% games in the regular season. And then the criteria seems silly. Just 2+ games? Earlier you were bringing up 6 games in a row.

I really don't like the general idea of comparing playoffs to regular season. You're generally up against better defenses. Teams are more locked into how you play since you play a team up to 7 times in a row. Games slow down. Etc. Now, if someone has better overall stats in the playoffs vs regular season, I'd say that means something. But overall, meh.



Lebron deserves a shit ton of criticism. But I don't think it's fair to every compare say streaks in the playoffs vs. regular season. Lebron performing poorly against the Spurs for 4 games in the finals in 2007 is so much more likely that Lebron performing poorly in any 4 game stretch during the regular season. So what does it prove? That the odds played themselves out?

 

[Black Mamba]

I think we all are if we are being serious about things.

I think I mentioned that I saw them as the favorites right after they lost the Finals last year.

Plus they added Battier on the defense end. Most underrated pick-up of the off season besides Norris Cole.

Norris Cole has been bad after his 1st couple games of the season. He shoots terrible from 2 and from 3, turns it over a lot, etc.

Norris Cole isn't why the Heat seem better this year. It's because Mario Chalmers is better this year.

he's shooting 51% overall and 46% from 3. He's nearly doubled his PPG from last season in just 7 more minutes. He still turns it over a bunch, but his shooting is the difference between Miami last year when they lost games without Wade or Bosh and now that they don't. And why they destroy teams right now.

Chalmers is the underrated player right now. Cole blows.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Norris Cole has been bad after his 1st couple games of the season. He shoots terrible from 2 and from 3, turns it over a lot, etc.

Norris Cole isn't why the Heat seem better this year. It's because Mario Chalmers is better this year.

he's shooting 51% overall and 46% from 3. He's nearly doubled his PPG from last season in just 7 more minutes. He still turns it over a bunch, but his shooting is the difference between Miami last year when they lost games without Wade or Bosh and now that they don't. And why they destroy teams right now.

Chalmers is the underrated player right now. Cole blows.

Would you rather have Norris Cole or FroMoBe on the Lakers?

 

[Black Mamba]

Would you rather have Norris Cole or FroMoBe on the Lakers?

Don't think it matters. Cole plays with 2 guys who can penetrate and get him open shots and he sucks. Morris has had the ball put in his hands and sucked.

(fwiw, I hated Cole coming out of college).

 

[exarkun]

I think we all are if we are being serious about things.

I think I mentioned that I saw them as the favorites right after they lost the Finals last year.

Plus they added Battier on the defense end. Most underrated pick-up of the off season besides Norris Cole.

Its the wrinkles in his head. Mesmerizes the opposing player. No lie, he told me that once.

COLE WORLD on the other hand, he takes some shitty shots but at least he has chalmers to bail him out and he can actually handle the ball so Wade doesn't have to bring it up all the time. So you're 1.5 out of 2!

If the heat win it though, it will give validation to all those muhfukahs who say the regular season doesn't matter. Cause it wouldn't have. And I'll be sad.

 

[DY_nasty]

Cole is a clown.

I can't believe this kid really has it in him to come down the court, look at LBJ, Wade, and Bosh, then decide that a pull up jumper is the best option. He's a dumbass. And if he weren't playing for the Heat, he'd be nailed to the pine.

 

[aznpxdd]

Oh god, I can finally post.

Loving reilo's troll attempt on Bron.

 

[DY_nasty]

Oh god, I can finally post.

Loving reilo's troll attempt on Bron.

welcome back.

wtf did you do?

 

[aznpxdd]

welcome back.

wtf did you do?

Just told someone to STFU.

 

[iamvin22]

so if LeBron wins a ring this year does he turn into WAR-LeBron and win the following season?

 

[exarkun]

Cole is a clown.

I can't believe this kid really has it in him to come down the court, look at LBJ, Wade, and Bosh, then decide that a pull up jumper is the best option. He's a dumbass. And if he weren't playing for the Heat, he'd be nailed to the pine.

Word? I dunno if its like that, but I think he does have to adapt his style.

He needs to look first to pass like Rubio and not be the sg playing pg Westbrook. Or even meet halfway and be an Irving.

 

[DY_nasty]

Word? I dunno if its like that, but I think he does have to adapt his style.

He needs to look first to pass like Rubio and not be the sg playing pg Westbrook. Or even meet halfway and be an Irving.

He's a fucking idiot.

How do you routinely not pass the ball to the two MVP candidates? He comes into the game and many times doesn't even consider what is going on around him. Just looks for his offense, and goes in.

But for some reason, Miami fans defend that shit like "well, we need the offense from him!". No the fuck you do not. You need a ball handler and someone who can keep the offense from curtailing off whenever Wade or Lebron feel like chillin like they do every 3 quarters. That doesn't equate to a green light.

 

[Black Mamba]

so if LeBron wins a ring this year does he turn into WAR-LeBron and win the following season?

I dunno, but I think regardless, next season will be the most important one of his career.

If he loses this season in a lockout year, the pressure will become huge. Next season if he doesn't win, he will forever be a failure in the eyes of the media/fans even if he does get a ring later.

If he wins it all this season, some or many in the media/fans will say it was a lockout year and doesn't really count unless he backs it up. He'll be thinking "man, I won and it's still not enough, yet?" Either he shrinks or backs it up.

Next season will be super interesting regarding Lebron. His entire legacy will be written based on it.

At least, in my humble opinion.

He's a fucking idiot.

How do you routinely not pass the ball to the two MVP candidates? He comes into the game and many times doesn't even consider what is going on around him. Just looks for his offense, and goes in.

But for some reason, Miami fans defend that shit like "well, we need the offense from him!". No the fuck you do not. You need a ball handler and someone who can keep the offense from curtailing off whenever Wade or Lebron feel like chillin like they do every 3 quarters. That doesn't equate to a green light.

Agree. And it's not like he's even remotely performing well enough to justify the decision making. He plays selfish and dumb.


Also why I didn't like the Morris comparison. Without trying to be a homer, Morris played a huge chunk of his minutes alongside Kapono/Peace/Murphy (or McBobs) on offense. You're asking a not yet ready rookie PG to play with those 3 guys + Pau or Bynum and expect him to perform? lol. He had no chance. Cole plays with 2 MVPs and plays like an idiot. We know he sucks.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Oh god, I can finally post.

Loving reilo's troll attempt on Bron.

I really don't think its a troll attempt. Seems like his opinion. Or have I been duped?

 

[DY_nasty]

Its a new GAF bro

I really don't think its a troll attempt. Seems like his opinion. Or have I been duped?

Naw, reilo doesn't troll that way. Once he gets past 3 lines he's usually pretty serious.

 

[Gabyskra]

I dunno, but I think regardless, next season will be the most important one of his career.

If he loses this season in a lockout year, the pressure will become huge. Next season if he doesn't win, he will forever be a failure in the eyes of the media/fans even if he does get a ring later.

If he wins it all this season, some or many in the media/fans will say it was a lockout year and doesn't really count unless he backs it up. He'll be thinking "man, I won and it's still not enough, yet?" Either he shrinks or backs it up.

Next season will be super interesting regarding Lebron. His entire legacy will be written based on it.

At least, in my humble opinion.

Nah, he has plenty of time. Say he wins 3 titles, no matter when, he'll be remembered as a top 10 player ever. He can lose for a while. Hopefully he does.

 

[Black Mamba]

Nah, he has plenty of time. Say he wins 3 titles, no matter when, he'll be remembered as a top 10 player ever. He can lose for a while. Hopefully he does.

If he doesn't win next season, he's going to be turning 29 the following season (meanwhile, Wade will be 32!). For a player who severely relies on power + athleticism.

if he doesn't win it all next year, he ain't winning 3 without riding the nuts of someone else. And I mean that in an old DRobinson way, not Lebron currently riding Wade way.

Plus, 3 seasons of Wade-Bron-Bosh without a ring will always be a colossal failure.

 

[Herpes Reasons]

The only threat for Miami this year is the lakers chances of getting a legit PG before deadline.
everyone knows this.
Bulls and okc don't have a chance in hell

 

[DY_nasty]

When it comes down to the Finals, I'd take FThunder over cHeat.

 

[aznpxdd]

Now we just need Konex to join the fun and claim the Miami Heat as the 2012 NBA Champs. Come on Konex!

 

[linsivvi]

Just told someone to STFU.

You've got to be more creative the next time you want to say this. For example,

ClovingSteam
sit your whore ass down
(Today, 03:11 AM)

 

[exarkun]

When it comes down to the Finals, I'd take FThunder over cHeat.

Now you're just hatin. Heat would spank the thunder and you know it. Whistlebrook and Durant aren't ready for it. Parsons shut Durant down for 5 mins. Lebron can do it for much longer than that.

Now if its Spurs with Duncan/Manu/Parker playing balls to the wall I could see some problems.

 

[iamvin22]

When it comes down to the Finals, I'd take FThunder over cHeat.

i got Heat over Thunder in the finals. Westbrook is a epic cancer trying to put up Durant numbers.

 

[Barrage]

Now you're just hatin. Heat would spank the thunder and you know it. Whistlebrook and Durant aren't ready for it. Parsons shut Durant down for 5 mins. Lebron can do it for much longer than that.

Now if its Spurs with Duncan/Manu/Parker playing balls to the wall I could see some problems.

Couldnt agree more. Thunder wont make the Finals, theyre not ready.

 

[Diprosalic]

Couldnt agree more. Thunder wont make the Finals, theyre not ready.

I can't think of a scenario where it will not be thunder heat. And that final is a coin toss for me.
who beats the thunder? they went to the wcf last year and are better this year. Mavs are worse, Spurs are worse and lost 1st round, lakers are way worse and the clippers arent even close to be ready for that to unconsistant. okc is young as fuck which will help a lot in this crowded season.

I'd actually think okc in the finals is more likely than the heat in the finals. but both will handoly make it. dep

it will be lebron overcoming his chocking versus "is durant a winner?"

 

[jordan0386]

i got Heat over Thunder in the finals. Westbrook is a epic cancer trying to put up Durant numbers.

Troll. Would you like Durant to shoot 45 times a game?

 

[Pkaz01]

I remember all the heat vs lakers predictions last year and then dallas shut it all up with a sweep.

Honestly yea miami is the best team in the league right now but come playoff time who knows how theyll respond.

In the playoffs ill take a team led by rose over a team led by lebron anyday

And as for okc we alrdy saw what westbrook did last year in a 7 game series a good coach will figure them out easily

 

[Gabyskra]

In the playoffs ill take a team led by rose over a team led by lebron anyday

Yeah well, maybe not last year.

 

[benjipwns]

Lebron deserves a shit ton of criticism. But I don't think it's fair to every compare say streaks in the playoffs vs. regular season. Lebron performing poorly against the Spurs for 4 games in the finals in 2007 is so much more likely that Lebron performing poorly in any 4 game stretch during the regular season. So what does it prove? That the odds played themselves out?

Jordan had a FG% of 41.4% in the 1996 NBA Finals. With games of 42% (game two), 32% (game four) and 26% (game six).

Kobe Bryant had a FG% of 38.1% in the 2004 NBA Finals. With games of 37% (game one), 31% (game three), 32% (game four), and 33% (game five). In the 2008 Finals he shot 40.5% with games of 35% (game one), 32% (game four), 38% (game five) and 32% (game six). In the 2001 Finals he shot 41.5% with games of 32% (game one) and 39% (game five).

Shit(ty shooting) happens.

 

[Gabyskra]

Jordan had a FG% of 41.4% in the 1996 NBA Finals. With games of 42% (game two), 32% (game four) and 26% (game six).

Kobe Bryant had a FG% of 38.1% in the 2004 NBA Finals. With games of 37% (game one), 31% (game three), 32% (game four), and 33% (game five). In the 2008 Finals he shot 40.5% with games of 35% (game one), 32% (game four), 38% (game five) and 32% (game six). In the 2001 Finals he shot 41.5% with games of 32% (game one) and 39% (game five).

Shit(ty shooting) happens.

Jordan faced Payton, Hawkins and McMillan... That was some all time defense. It's not just a matter of streaks in this case.

 

[benjipwns]

And Kobe faced historic defenses in 2004 and 2008, a pretty good one in 2001 and LeBron also faced a pretty good one as the only option in 2007. You tend to play great defenses in the Finals. Point is, it's not unusual for superstars to have bad shooting series.

 

[CommonSense]

Hay guyz, what's going on in this thread?

 

[Diprosalic]

Shit(ty shooting) happens.

weren't they just double and triple teamed?

 

[DY_nasty]

Now you're just hatin. Heat would spank the thunder and you know it. Whistlebrook and Durant aren't ready for it. Parsons shut Durant down for 5 mins. Lebron can do it for much longer than that.

Now if its Spurs with Duncan/Manu/Parker playing balls to the wall I could see some problems.

This is going to sound like someone else posting under my username, but I think if Westbrook got his shit together.... well, got his role squared away (which means let him be Wade) then they should be fine.

 

[CommonSense]

This is going to sound like someone else posting under my username, but I think if Westbrook got his shit together.... well, got his role squared away (which means let him be Wade) then they should be fine.

Westbrook's perfect role is a 30ppg a game guy for an annual 7th seed team...like nique back in the day.