They already have Wright, Rush (RFA), McGuire (FA), Jefferson, Barnes, Green. Plus Klay. If they're moving Wright it's for cap space or draft picks, or maybe a guard. But not another swingman.
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They already have Wright, Rush (RFA), McGuire (FA), Jefferson, Barnes, Green. Plus Klay. If they're moving Wright it's for cap space or draft picks, or maybe a guard. But not another swingman.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Nash is still one of the best players in the NBA, that's not a terrible contract at all.
fuck yes the dream is alive sign with phoenix gordon maybe we can get wallace
nash/brooks/telfair/marshall
gordon/brown
hill/dudley
frye/morris/warrick
gortat/Lopez or someone
Not bad at all
Morey will get kicked out of Hogwarts for this
Well Morey is gonna need another PF to show just how magical his PF lineup is!
benjipwns
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Oh, probably, but some people still thought this was going to reign in salaries somehow.Think it was a joke benji
True but he's getting the Jerome James contract. For a full MLE I don't think it's a huge issue considering what centres make. I don't see how he's better than Dalembert for that money. For $5mil he's better, but paying the same you're probably better off with Sam.
it really isn't that unbalanced, other than the lack of a really good passing PG.
Remember how we had a lockout to help the owners reel in their spending?
benjipwns
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Dalembert's deal had all but $1.5 million unguaranteed for this season. Bucks still have until July 8th to get rid of it.
Fuck yeah. First round exit. FUCK YEAH!
It's one of the dumbest moves I've seen in the NBA. Much much worse than the Asik deal.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2012/06/30/warriors-intrigued-by-free-agent-pfc-jordan-hill/
No Jordan Hill please.
I would love Andre Miller off the bench, or starting when Steph goes down.
No Jordan Hill please.
I would love Andre Miller off the bench, or starting when Steph goes down.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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giri, most teams are never going to be contenders unless they get Hall of Fame, top 50 players of all time. Next year's draft probably won't have those guys (though Adams and Noel are pretty good), Jonas Valanciunas probably won't be that guy, and four straight tanking seasons for a team is pretty unbearable. There's nothing really wrong at all with being pretty good and being exciting and winning a playoff series for two or three years despite never being great.
So that's who is supplying JJ his drugs.
we can try doing what the bobcats did instead.
Especially for the Raptors, who haven't been good in ages. Sometimes it's about improving the image of the team and hoping other guys will see that Nash went there instead of hunting a ring and be interested.
StickSoldier
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Personally, I'd rather have Steve Nash and either EG or Hibbert over just Dwill if that was an option... Unfortunately the Mavs might not get any of them.
benjipwns
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I totally see this perspective, especially from a business point of view.
I'm probably just too deep into the "band aid" method of rebuilding. I pissed off some Pistons fans yesterday saying what I wanted to do with the team. They seemed to be operating under the delusion the team is on the cusp of the playoffs.
sooo lillard is starting
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Going from playing against random 5'8 guys to Russell Westbrook and others is going to be a shock for Lillard. I have to think he's going to be really overwhelmed and bad for at least the first half of the season, seems like a mistake not to have any other PGs.
I'd be ecstatic!
There's a lot wrong with it.
But there's nothing wrong with it if you're a young team, who has the potential to add a piece, or has the time to wait to develop. There's no pieces in Toronto that anyone would consider a 1B or 1A type player. Either the best or second best player on a chip team.
So players would only be going there to play with Steve Nash for 2 years? 3 at most? at which point Toronto will have had 3 years of potentially first round exits, tredding water with non-lottery draft picks and surrounding Nash with a bunch of nothing but role player, players. So that when he does go, or retires due to injury, they've wasted several years and accomplished nothing. Then he goes, and bam, they're instantly terrible again. With all of their rookie deals from now (supposedly relatively high picks) due for renewal.
And in that time, they've got a whooooooooooooooooooole bunch of salary questions, and contracts to give out. If they don't pay to keep players around Nash i really would expect him to demand a trade. So they'll probably sign a bunch of role players to hedo/warrick/childress type deals that tie up a bunch of money in guys who are only relevant if Nash is there. And even then, barely.
So, it's going to Cause bad contracts, Cause bad draft positions, or force their hand to try bad "win now" trades. For a player that isn't their own.
Whats the upside? make it to the first round twice? if he doesn't get injured. Sounds like a GM move that is worried about his Job, not winning Chips and the franchise.
There's really no legitimate reason for the raptors to do the trade. There are legitimate reasons for Collangelo though.
But when you play in the Eastern conference, you're always on the cusp of the playoffs.
Unless your team is owned by MJ.
BigJonsson
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Raptors better get Nash
CoffeeJanitor
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#BoneOnBoneFuture
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I don't think any player in next year's draft is more talented than Valanciunas so they'd have to keep tanking for years to get a super high level player and this year proved how their tanking strategy may fail completely with an intense coach like Casey.
Black Mamba
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WTF
In Jim we trust.
benjipwns
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True, that's why you have to put in the effort and make sure you aren't close.
Black Mamba
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eh, a Hill for Beasley swap would be interesting (and allows em to go small ball easier).
I just don't understand why it would have to be a trade. Unless Minnesota is going to severely overpay Hill.
Just don't get why minn would not just out right sign him.
CoffeeJanitor
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#TheCreamTeam
So the solution is to say fuck it, not develop young players and continue to gather young talent. Just give up?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I don't see how acquiring Nash does that. Ross and Valanciunas immediately and immensely benefit from Nash and are easily the most complementary players on the team to Nash and would probably get a lot of development and minutes.
benjipwns
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Maybe they thought they could get something out of fitting Beasley into the Odom exception? No idea really.
Because Nash isn't going to the Raptors just to develop their young players. He has already said he wants to contend.
If he wanted to develop players, he'd retire and become a coach.
Guys like Bargs and DeRozan will also benefit from playing with him too, and wont have to force shots since they'll have them on a plate. I really don't see a downside to it.
SuperCool + Kobe will be fun.
Please.
Being a Bobcats fan is so much easier these days. We lose on purpose. Raptors can't even do that right.
Black Mamba
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The Lakers could just trade him for the TPE without trading Hill, though. I don't get the benefit of it. And the Lakers are capped by the rules on how much they can offer Hill, which renders it kind of useless (for salary matching).
I'm guessing Kahn didn't know WTF he was doing. Again.
Warriors might offer Hill a big contract, though. LOL Turiaf x 2
ryutaro's mama
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Bu-bu-but the new CBA was supposed to fix all the overpaying and bad contracts to shit players!
Yeah it's strange. The thing is, Hill might have his off court problems, but I don't want to see Beasley in a Laker uniform.
I didn't say it wasn't a positive. If you're gonna tank, you've got to tank right.
It's just funny that MJ was on the winningest team and owns the losingest team.
Dominican Power
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Atlantic division would pretty interesting if Nash goes to Toronto and D Will stays in BK.
Hey they would be breaking Warriors tradition if they didn't offer a mediocre big man a huge contract!
ItWasMeantToBe19
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No veteran player ever wants to develop young players. I don't see why replacing Calderon with Nash hurts the development of Valanciunas or Ross at all, it will only bring positives.
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