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2012 NBA Offseason |OT|They said I could become anything so I became multiple sources
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C'mon son. They just moved to Brooklyn and stuff.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Its certainly up there. Lots of interesting stuff trickling out now.
Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
I'm told Miller played a behind-the-scenes role in Rich Cho joining #Bobcats, after Paul Allen abruptly fired Cho.
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS
Olshey, who had a successful run with the Clippers, was favored by Paul Allen advisor Bert Kolde during interview process, sources say. Once hiring process had been taken out of Miller's hands, it was only a matter of time before he stepped down, sources say.
Where were they before? Long Island?
ThisWreckage
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Imagine what Mike Miller did during the close out game in the Finals. Now imagine Ray Allen doing that nearly every game. If they get Camby they are a lock for another ring. They'll probably have the deepest team in the NBA.
Dominican Power
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Too much trolling.
Nah, I think they played in that building from the Godzilla movie.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Damn those people believing that defense and unselfishness exists. Dem made up stats matrixs.
And there are a lot of guards who can score efficiently in the NBA. The guy just added to your team might illuminate this fact next season.
Lol you guys kill me with this shit, carry on.
Except that stats don't tell you the whole picture, especially when you're comparing across positions.
So Nash is a better player than Kobe as well am I right?
Hey is Josh Smith still top 10 in the NBA? If not, since when is he not top 10 any more? I really need to learn how to read those stats. Maybe one day I can be as wise as Morey.
Hollinger's disciples always make me chuckle.
what are you talking about?
He's entirely right. Kobe's defensive impact doesn't even compare to Garnett's. Also, Kobe gives zero fucks if he shoots his team out of the game.
You're just mad for the sake of being mad.
KG is not a top 10 player in the league any more.
LiveFromKyoto
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Hey now, Hawks look like they're getting their ish together under Ferry.
And I'm so proud the Raptors aren't on that list. Moral victory.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Obviously scoring is a huge part of basketball but all Laker fans arguments boil down to literally every other aspect of basketball not mattering. Except, of course, when it's applying to guys not on the Lakers. Kobe being one of the worst defenders in the NBA doesn't matter, but Nash being one of the worst defenders in the NBA does matter because Nash didn't play for the Lakers when he won his MVPs.
You haven't answered my questions.
So Nash is a better player than Kobe, right?
Is Josh Smith a top 10 player in the league?
We can talk about that - or we can talk about this BS Kobeism that comes up whenever any argument with a Lakers fan come up.
Its like arguing with kids about how fucking awesome the Black Ranger is
He brought Kobe into this. It doesn't matter if he think KG is better than Kobe (he's not), but KG is not top 10 regardless and people have called him out for it.
It's the same crazy shit as calling Josh Smith top 10.
Black Mamba
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supposedly Jordan Hill made a decision. But hasn't said what it is, nor has anyone reported it.
Stupid Ray Allen. Why must you join the Heat. Argh.
lol @ Kobe being one of the worst defenders in the NBA. Ask Ty Lawson in game 7 about it.
Stupid Ray Allen. Why must you join the Heat. Argh.
lol @ Kobe being one of the worst defenders in the NBA. Ask Ty Lawson in game 7 about it.
Syphon Filter
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why not?
Barrage
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Sinking ship.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
He has the mastodon zord, of course he's awesome.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I actually do think Nash is better. He's managed to elevate terrible supporting casts to near playoff berths in the last two years and has run a lot of the greatest offenses of all time in Phoenix. His defense is terrible, but Kobe has no lateral quickness anymore and is absurdly lazy on defense so I'm not buying any argument for Kobe over another player using defense. Kobe may be a better fit for playoff basketball at this point but I'm not sure on that and I am pretty sure that Nash is a better regular season player. Kobe plays more minutes, but I think Nash's are more valuable.
I love Josh Smith and think he's one of the best players in the NBA but his jumper is getting worse. He still was the best player on a team that was extremely beat up and still got the 4th seed. I think his supporting cast was worse than Melo's by a decent bit and his team won more games than Melo's.
So Josh Smith is better then Melo is what your saying? Keep going.
So...Nash better than Kobe and Josh Smith better than Melo? Ok.
Kobe gave up making his teammates better 2 years ago. And he plays slightly better defense than Nash while chucking up 3x the garbage.
That's a no brainer.
Josh Smith on his worst day isn't as bad Knicks Melo.
Black Mamba
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Your Kobe defense stance is weird. He's not close to what he once was and often lazy, but he's not terrible or close to it.
Lakers had mostly a defensive team for a huge chunk of the year, despite starting Fisher. And Gasol isn't some expert at it. Artest and Bynum led the D, but Kobe was a part too. You also underestimate his help defense which is still quite good.
It's all good. A player better than anyone on the Lakers roster just joined the team.
LiveFromKyoto
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You know who would make a perfect yes man for their crazy rich guy owner?
I'm just saying, he's experienced.
His help defense is great because he's never guarding the guy he's assigned to...
I don't get it.
Jeffery has took his toll on you.
Who cares? Nash is better than Kobe, and Nash is a Laker.
Josh Smith taking a stupid long 2 is never going to change the fact that he's one of the best defenders in the league.
Also, he isn't paid specifically to take stupid long 2s and nothing else. Unlike Melo.
So basically, "i ain't arguing shit. fuq yo argumentz. #wealreadywon"
Pimp-West.
Black Mamba
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Well, they do try to put him on an inept perimeter player so that helps. But he has natural instincts, which a lot of players do not have. And he still does guard.
The Fisher-Bryant-MWP-Pau-Bynum lineup gave up 98pp100 last season. That is extremely low in roughly 500 minutes. And MWP was out of shape and a lot of us was complaining about how his D slipped at the beginning of the year. Unless we're going to say Bynum = Dwight on D (lol) there is more going on, here.
Kobe was still a decent defender, good when he gave a shit. He took plays off because of how much of the offensive load he had to carry and was especially lazy in transition D. I'm not going to argue he was some all-defensive player or anything near that, cuz he wasn't. But to argue he's anywhere near Steve Nash bad is absurd.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Josh Smith is definitely more effective than Melo.
That ain't Josh. Knicks were a better team without Melo last year.
That ain't Josh. Knicks were a better team without Melo last year.
I'm all for the Lakers getting better, hopefully we can get Dwight, then Kad and others will troll Kobe for being the 4th best player on the team, and not a single fuck will be given.
iamshadowlark
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Shit just writes itself.
You could argue Josh Smith is better then Melo. If Melo is not scoring he rarely has any other impact on the game. Josh Smith generally rebounds and plays defense every game at least. Too bad Josh Smith gets sucked into KG jumpers all the time.
Knicks have always been a better team without Melo.
Dude has been exposed as a complete clown player since he's been in NY. The one thing he was supposed to be elite at, scoring, has dissolved into some Charlie V on a hotstreak shit.
LiveFromKyoto
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Josh Smith is definitely more effective than Melo.
That ain't Josh. Knicks were a better team without Melo last year.
If I weren't on my iPad right now I would mathematically prove 18 different ways that Amir Johnson is a better asset than Knicks Melo.
Your whole rhetoric was that I disagree with him because Kobe is a Laker.
I think Rondo and Westbrook are better than Nash too. *shrug*
Keep recycling your old LLL jokes.
I mean:
How tired is this?
Syphon Filter
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how you figure? even injured melo was better...
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
The Knicks would be better off with Amir Johnson over Melo. Amir ain't making 20 million dollars this year to not help his team win games.
Melo was pretty bad most of the year last year, and came on strong towards then end. I don't think Melo has a winners mentality or great work ethic, but Josh Smith is not a better basketball player and never will be, this is getting ridiculous. If Melo ever decides to give a shit he has the talent josh smith could never dream of having.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Ray is done I tell ya. Done.
ThisWreckage
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Denver walked away like a bandit in that Anthony trade. Period. They'll be a playoff team for years to come and they're extremely young whereas Carmelo is a financial blackhole on top of being a ballstopper.
Syphon Filter
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knicks had a worse record before melo.they made the playoffs because of him.
When Melo isn't going 3-15 or taking 29 shots in a game, what is he doing?
He doesn't help you in anyway. The best the Knicks ever looked last year was when Melo was gone completely. I don't even think the Knicks have a winning record with Carmelo yet. They're supposed to be a super team, but they're the biggest failure at such a thing in a decade. Even the Wizards Big 3 was a better team.
LiveFromKyoto
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I like where this discussion is going. Can we turn the "Carlie A is holding back Knick superstar Jeremy Lin" meme into a commonly held assumption by the time the season starts?
I'm saying yes.
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