Black Mamba
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So yes, Phil and Jim are in agreement with regards to Bynum's maturity. As I argued.
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So yes, Phil and Jim are in agreement with regards to Bynum's maturity. As I argued.
*Shrug*
I have no time for word games. Phil and Jim disagree on Bynum's role on the team, that's all that matters. The worst thing you can have is an owner meddling with basketball decisions. If you think it's fine, then good luck. At this rate we'll be the LA Knicks in a few years.
I have no time for word games. Phil and Jim disagree on Bynum's role on the team, that's all that matters. The worst thing you can have is an owner meddling with basketball decisions. If you think it's fine, then good luck. At this rate we'll be the LA Knicks in a few years.
Black Mamba
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It's not word games. You quoted nothing that had to do with strategy in that post, you quoted Jim on Bynum's maturity.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39280972&postcount=4245
Which I directly responded and you brought up Phil which I demonstrated agreed with Jim.
Phil also thought what Bynum was doing was nice 2 months ago. Whatever.
Also, Jerry is the owner. Jim works for him and had been part GM for a long time now. Were you complaining when he was part of the Pau trade? Or Ariza? Or the others? Because he was.
I still want to know what the Lakers didn't do this season that would have drastically changed the outcome. What is Jim doing that is holding the team back? The Knicks are who they are because they made insanely stupid trades. Comparing the lakers to them is like comparing tom penny to thekad in trolling.
I can't tell if you just ignorant how the NBA operates or too spoiled as a Laker fan that 2 seasons removed from b2b titles you are already whining.
FFS, he traded for CP3. They might have won a title if that move isn't Stern'd.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Its not he wouldn't do that trade right now..but he has nothing else to really offer Orlando..
It is. The point of your whole rant was to defend Jim Buss, the indefensible. Nobody knows if Bynum will "grow up" but all we know is he's a selfish ass on and off the court right now, and that's besides the point.
Phil said this: I think he's hired his coach to have Andrew have a bigger and bigger role. And that kind of disjointed the symmetry of what the Lakers were really about.
Phil is saying Jim Buss picked Mike Brown and it screwed up the Lakers. Everyone knew a year ago that Mike Brown is a terrible coach and is the wrong choice for the Lakers. Everyone but you and Jim.
There's one thing I can tell you about the real world: nepotism is seldom a good thing.
The Lakers won because Jerry Buss let West do his job. Jim could learn a page from his father and let Mitch do his.
I'm looking at the next 10, 15 years, not right now. Every sensible person knows that this Laker team is done.
Jim Buss
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I agree on both points. But ... i think the lakers will be in the play offs till kobe has completely fallen off, or injuries ruin them. Until that happens, you could be stuck in that horrible 5 - 8 spot for a few seasons.
I would love for this to happen for the right terms.
Right terms? Like, minimum wage and 10 mpg?
Even then, I would not love it, I would merely be okay with it.
I honestly can't see him playing for any city other then LA or NY. He needs to be coddled by his friends and family to have a chance to be effective again.
Lucky for him, there are 4 choices.
If you've never been to one, then yeah, go. You should check it out at least once.
In other news:
So the only hope is Cleveland drafting Barnes... Come on, Cavs. Go get that NBA-ready, offensive SF threat!
olawd
jordan0386
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ESPN audio is fed throughout the whole theater, so you not missing anything from a tv broadcast.
No trades announced until the 2nd round. So make sure you have your smartphone available so you can keep up with GAF on the hype.
Dont forget your cheese doodles for Stephen A.
And you get to boo the Knicks pick. Go, snap some pics for us.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Draftexpress said:
Sullinger, Q Miller, Lamb, and who else?
jordan0386
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So, Mike Is really gonna pass on Drummond, huh? Fear of Kwame.
Red Blaster
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Hopefully T Ross has herpes or something and falls to 19
ItWasMeantToBe19
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He's also a much worse basketball player than Thomas Robinson and basically a softer and dumber version of Biyombo.
jordan0386
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Meh, dude was traded like 7 months ago. Wake us up when its over.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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And for those saying that Drummond can make an immediate impact defensively in the NBA, UConn finished 155th in the NCAA in defense.
LegendofJoe
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Was Miller flagged for something other than his ACL tear?
Also, eff to the yeah about the Maggette for Gordon + future 1st trade! We're +1 on picks owed to us now, and hopefully we'll be handing Chicago our mid 1st in 2015 and still be able to pick in the lottery with Detroit's pick.
This draft process is just weird this year... just don't get all the love for guys like Rivers/Waiters/Lillard while someone like Ross is a bit ignored. Anyone else feel this way?
Personally, I'd love for the Raps to select him (if guys like Barnes/Drummond are indeed gone before us), but don't think they're too interested, unfortunately. Just think he has the size/athleticism/skill/2-way ability to be a success at the next level and he's being slept on.
Personally, I'd love for the Raps to select him (if guys like Barnes/Drummond are indeed gone before us), but don't think they're too interested, unfortunately. Just think he has the size/athleticism/skill/2-way ability to be a success at the next level and he's being slept on.
AgentChris
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Agreed. Knicks need a little bit of everything from a backup 2, 3 and 4. Odom at the right price could be great. I could see Odom averaging 13 - 3 - 6 off the bench.
MetalFearSolid
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Guys..Is KG retiring? Any news about this
EDIT: False news nvm
EDIT: False news nvm
The Rockets could use a healthy dose of Pau Gasol.....
StickSoldier
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if the mavs don't get dwill I wouldn't mind seeing a rebuild. that or sign a lot of players to one year deals and see what happens in 2013. From there, the mavs need to try to get cp3/Howard if either are available or id just like to see the mavs start completely over if they can't get one of those guys
Bu-bu-but DAT LENGTH! DAT LEAPING ABILITY! DAT LATERAL QUICKNESS!
DAT INEPTITUDE
LegendofJoe
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The rumour about the Wizards taking calls from teams who want to trade up and take Robinson is a smoke screen, don't fall for it Cho.
I'm fine with T-Rob, Barnes, or MKG and one of those 3 WILL be there at 4, so fuck the Wizards. Shouldn't let them scare us out of a couple of extra picks.
Agreed. Wiz would be dumb to move back, they'll get either MKG or Beal and either one of those guys would help their squad a lot.
Wiz could actually be a playoff team next year. Not that that's saying much in the East, but still.
KingJ2002
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The lakers problems are two fold at this point:
1. Consistency of shooters
2. Depth in Bench
IMO... the problem isn't at the point anymore.. Sessions faded in the playoffs true but at the same time he puts up double digits and attacks when necessary. He will grow to become better for the lakers if we re-sign him.
We need a more consistent bench and a better shooter at the 3 and the lakers can get back into the finals.
Trading into the first round for draft picks? i can't imagine the lakers really doing this unless it's to get a pick to trade for a more experienced player.
Metta & Pau screwed up their value with their Pre & Post season performances... they're still great players... they just need to get back in shape.
I honestly don't think they should do much... a MWP trade might be a bad idea unless you can get that same defensive production with better shooter at a younger age.
A pau gasol trade might not make much sense either as he is still top 5 at the 4.
Bynum is a loose cannon but you dont want him on the opposing team when he's focused. We need to work with him and make him a leader... we forget how young these guys are coming in... regardless of many years they've been in the league.
the problems came from the bench
Troy Murphy
Steve Blake
Darius Morris
Matt Barnes
Josh McRoberts
either inconsistent or no-shows... and way too overpriced to be there playing like that. We need to move these guys or get them off the books to fill the roster with better players
Beasley off the bench would provide the lakers with a competent scorer
Barnes can still play... he just needs to be come consistent.
Unless we trade... we're stuck with steve blake so he needs to produce better
the rest need to get lost
1. Consistency of shooters
2. Depth in Bench
IMO... the problem isn't at the point anymore.. Sessions faded in the playoffs true but at the same time he puts up double digits and attacks when necessary. He will grow to become better for the lakers if we re-sign him.
We need a more consistent bench and a better shooter at the 3 and the lakers can get back into the finals.
Trading into the first round for draft picks? i can't imagine the lakers really doing this unless it's to get a pick to trade for a more experienced player.
Metta & Pau screwed up their value with their Pre & Post season performances... they're still great players... they just need to get back in shape.
I honestly don't think they should do much... a MWP trade might be a bad idea unless you can get that same defensive production with better shooter at a younger age.
A pau gasol trade might not make much sense either as he is still top 5 at the 4.
Bynum is a loose cannon but you dont want him on the opposing team when he's focused. We need to work with him and make him a leader... we forget how young these guys are coming in... regardless of many years they've been in the league.
the problems came from the bench
Troy Murphy
Steve Blake
Darius Morris
Matt Barnes
Josh McRoberts
either inconsistent or no-shows... and way too overpriced to be there playing like that. We need to move these guys or get them off the books to fill the roster with better players
Beasley off the bench would provide the lakers with a competent scorer
Barnes can still play... he just needs to be come consistent.
Unless we trade... we're stuck with steve blake so he needs to produce better
the rest need to get lost
The Wiz have locked in on Beal since like forever. What's the point of even starting that rumor? They acquire Nene and now have Okafor, they're definitely not drafting a big, especially when they so desperately need helping on the wings more than anything else.
Also, Givony has a point. How often is player red-flagged in the draft, moves down the draft ladder, and then doesn't have a successful or at least semi-successful career in the NBA?
Attitude problems is a whole different story, but teams not drafting talented, motivated, high-character guys because of injury flags are idiots.
Knowing everything we know now, would you have still drafted guys like Ammo, Tyrus Thomas, Shelden Williams, and ***** **** ahead of Brandon Roy in 2006?
Roy has had a more successful career that all of those guys combined, degenerative knee condition and all included.
That's why i like the lakers sometimes, they might be in cap room trouble right now but atleast they got to the finals 3 times and came out with two trophies to show. And earlier with during the shaq/kobe era went to four finals appearances and came out with three. Same goes for the big three era in boston.Cuban messed with Dirk's legacy in my opinion.
DA's mock is up: http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/david_aldridge/06/27/mock-draft-2012/index.html
Exquisite justification. Don't fuck this up, Cavs!
He also has Houston taking Drummond @ #14, Lamb @ #16, and Harkless @ #18. Now that would be an interesting cohort to keep an eye on in the coming years.
Exquisite justification. Don't fuck this up, Cavs!
He also has Houston taking Drummond @ #14, Lamb @ #16, and Harkless @ #18. Now that would be an interesting cohort to keep an eye on in the coming years.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Barnes is a pretty average shooter and defender.
Well, I.T. was the true ROTY so it's not as bad as you're making it out to be.
But he's ready to be average in the NBA! Like, right now! How can you pass on somebody like that??
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LegendofJoe
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I totally agree, we should ignore it. We could really use those extra picks because it would allow us to cut the bums otherwise known as Higgins and Moon. Get them out of Charlotte.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me either.
You answered your own question, it's because they think the Cavs are going to take Beal if they trade up with us.
jordan0386
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I dont understand Ray though. Re-sign for more bread and start on the Celtics or take less money and back-up on the Heat.
RingChaser: Ray Millz
RingChaser: Ray Millz
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I also kind of don't get the justification for Barnes being better in the NBA than college. He has a Gay/DeRozan like game where he's going to dribble in a straight line and take a midrange shot and I don't see how going against taller defenders will help him.
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