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2012 NBA Playoffs |OT| Tanks for the Memories

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Gigglepoo

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Will that make it better or worse?

Will media people tied to a particular franchise feel obligated then to vote for someone from their own franchise, if the votes are public?

If the people casting these votes are so weak that they vote for hometown players instead of deserving candidates, they should be stripped of their power. Simple as that.
 
I don't think so. The dude guarded 4 positions nightly and shut down a few point guards this season. He is so underrated defensively.

Dallas' defense was barely different with him on the bench according to the on/off splits (and was slightly better with him off).

Contrast that with Iggy and Allen whose defenses were 5 points worse with them on the bench.

Marion's defensive value is better than the numbers indicate (I think there's a Terry effect in there) but his impact has not been what those other two have been. Carter and West are underrated on D on Dallas.
 
The trolling of Greg Monroe continues:



5/1/2012 9:00 pm

ESPN (Marc Stein) said:
Sources close to the situation told ESPN.com that Sacramento Kings power forward DeMarcus Cousins, Detroit Pistons center Greg Monroe and incoming Kentucky star Anthony Davis -- widely regarded as a lock to be selected with the No. 1 overall pick in the June draft -- are among the young big men under consideration to be among the late additions Colangelo mentioned.


5/2/2012 1:42 PM

USA Today (Jeff Zillgitt) said:
Detroit Pistons forward Greg Monroe will not be one of two additions to Team USA’s preliminary Olympic roster, according to person w/info.
 

JoeFu

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Dallas' defense was barely different with him on the bench according to the on/off splits (and was slightly better with him off).

Contrast that with Iggy and Allen whose defenses were 5 points worse with them on the bench.

Marion's defensive value is better than the numbers indicate (I think there's a Terry effect in there) but his impact has not been what those other two have been. Carter and West are underrated on D on Dallas.

I know West is good, hurt the Mavs a lot when he was out with his hand injury, another reason why Marion had to guard point guards. Oh well.

Glad Tyson got one though!
 

giri

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If the people casting these votes are so weak that they vote for hometown players instead of deserving candidates, they should be stripped of their power. Simple as that.

Its a nice theory, but money talks. And when jobs are on the line.........
 
then just make it so media reporters of local teams cannot vote for local teams just like coaches can't vote for their own players for all-star games.

Or only allow national media members vote. Or create an actual panel.
 

giri

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Or just make it so the votes are open to see for everybody in the public. At least hold them accountable to their own peers.

Will that make it better or worse?

Will media people tied to a particular franchise feel obligated then to vote for someone from their own franchise, if the votes are public?
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then just make it so media reporters of local teams cannot vote for local teams just like coaches can't vote for their own players for all-star games.

Thats realistically the only way to do it.
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/39096/the-2012-all-flop-teams

FIRST TEAM

Chris Paul, PG: Paul quickly emerged as the consensus Most Floppy Player. As this video from Daily Thunder’s Royce Young shows, Paul is truly a fantastic two-way talent. Graydon Gordian elaborates, “I think Royce's video demonstrated two really distinct things Chris Paul does: (a) He stops dead in his tracks, backs up into a player who's behind him and then falls forward, and (b) he maintains possession of the ball and/or makes a pass while going to the ground. He doesn't lose the ball when flopping, which lots of guys do.”

Raja Bell/Manu Ginobili, SG: Controversial decision to include both of them here, but really these two have given so much to the game. Manu with his whiplash-inducing head thrashes as he drives to the basket and Raja Bell with his ability to be thrown backwards by the slightest of contact. Here’s the Raja-Manu mixtape of floppery.

Paul Pierce, SF: Pierce is another two-way player who isn’t afraid to artistically embellish any contact (real or imagined) with a sometimes ludicrous flourish.

Luis Scola, PF: Battier put it best: “The more hair you have, the better. My boy Luis Scola, he’s got that long hair and when it gets sweaty and he starts flopping and flailing, it looks like he’s getting murdered out there.”

Ben Wallace, C: Writes Patrick Hayes of Piston Powered: "Wallace is adept at going for rebounds in heavy traffic, but he also uses that traffic to his advantage. If a shot is missed and he doesn't have a great angle to get to it, he's patented a move where he jumps forward and lurches his body while simultaneously letting out a loud 'OOOPH,' which over the years has pretty regularly convinced officials he was pushed in the back. Often, video evidence suggests otherwise. Wallace's artful flopping on rebound attempts has been just another valuable skill he's brought to the Pistons that doesn't show up in his stats. Oh, and don't ever mention to him that he flops ... he doesn't like that.”

SECOND TEAM

Rajon Rondo, PG: Rondo’s habit of throwing himself into a defender 50 feet from the hoop and firing off a prayer as time expires isn’t why he’s a celebrated flopper. It’s because, as Brendan Jackson of Celtics Hub noted, he’ll fall over as a defense mechanism whenever he gets in trouble with his dribble, especially along the baseline. (Also receiving votes: Tony Parker, Derek Fisher, Deron Williams, Chauncey Billups.)

Jamal Crawford, SG: A unique flopper, as Kevin Arnovitz explains, “There's a reason Jamal Crawford holds the all-time NBA record for 4-point plays. As the sharpshooter elevates and releases his shot, he'll gracefully hinge his hips forward, kick his legs into his defender and often land on his tuchus in the process.” (Also receiving votes: Dwyane Wade, James Harden, Kobe Bryant.)

Corey Maggette, SF: Ethan Sherwood Strauss paints us a picture of a typical Maggette flop: “Two dribbles hoop-ward and he’s already leaning for contact. It’s an offensive foul, or at least it would be were it not for Corey’s sleight of hand. Somehow this ball of muscles flies backward from the 'contact.' It’s a visual trick -- Maggette uses an off arm to redirect his body movement. The ball? That thing’s flying into the stands, chased by the sound waves of Corey’s wounded animal bleat.” (Also receiving votes: Kevin Durant, Vince Carter, Nicolas Batum.)

Dirk Nowitzki, PF: Dirk is a do-it-all flopper. He can flop while driving, shooting, playing defense and rebounding, perhaps the most underrated facet of his flop game. Dirk may never jump higher than when he’s flying away from a rebound after a “nudge” in the back. (Also receiving votes: Blake Griffin, Pau Gasol, Tim Duncan.)

Reggie Evans, C: Evans has a reputation as one of the dirtiest players in the NBA, but don’t try any of that stuff on him. Reggie can induce whistles with the best of them, but only while doing the only things he does well on the court: setting screens, rebounding and exchanging elbows under the rim. (Also receiving votes: Marc Gasol, JaVale McGee.)

Hi Jeff.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
Last year..

Dwight Howard Magic 114 5 -- 585
Kevin Garnett Celtics 1 20 12 77
Tyson Chandler Mavericks -- 20 10 70
Tony Allen Grizzlies -- 12 17 53
Rajon Rondo Celtics -- 14 3 45
 
chandler was 3rd last year tied for the 2nd most 2nd place votes behind KG.

So yes, if he could easily have won a DPOY somewhere else. Like Bowen in SA or Ron in Indy or Camby in Denver.
 

Branduil

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chandler was 3rd last year tied for the 2nd most 2nd place votes behind KG.

So yes, if he could easily have won a DPOY somewhere else. Like Bowen in SA or Ron in Indy or Camby in Denver.

Chandler got 1/4 as many votes for DPOY last year.

LA and NY are the only places he could ever win the award.
 
previous ten DPoY:

Orlando
Orlando
Orlando
Boston
Denver
Detroit
Detroit
Indiana
Detroit
Detroit


ten before that:
Phill/ATL
Miami
Miami
Atlanta
Atlanta
Seattle
Denver
Houston
Houston
San Antonio


LA/NY have combined for Two DPoY including Chandler. Cooper in 87 was the first and last.
 
All those guys who won in smaller markets are better defenders than Chandler, though.

Fair enough.

The better question should be would he win if Dallas didn't win a title last year?

The idea that market has anything to do with this is stupid. Besides the fact that he deserves the award this season, there is absolutely no evidence market has anything to do with these awards.
 
Missing Griffin, K. Martin, and Wade on that flop list.

Most Phantom Fouls
Westbrook, Durant, and Harden tied

Most Travels Uncalled
Lebron

Most Moving Screens Uncalled
Perkins, Entire Celtics team
 
Then who do you think deserves it?

Even the other guys who got votes aren't in all in some big markets.

Ibaka 2nd in OKC. KG and Howard are mainstays for obvious reasons. Then Iggy and Allen.

Ibaka almost won. he just needed to flip 2 of Tyson's 1st place votes to do it. How did he get so close if being in NYC won it for Tyson? Should have been a landslide over Ibaka...

voters look at narrative and basic stats.





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