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[ClovingWestbrook]

Pheeniks it about time you did me a favor and shut the fuck up. I'm not writing this because I'm a mad knicks fan. I'm writing this because I feel its the truth. If you don't like just say you don't like and tell me to shut the fuck up. Don't claim I have so sort of agenda.

The big 3 came out and were vain as fuck. "We gonna win 8 titles!!!" They lose today and they are on their way to another season without a title for the second straight year. Someone might end up traded and the big 3 will be a huge failed experiment that people will talk about years from now.

Fuck Kado, you're now my favorite poster! Let me be your apprentice! Train me!

 

[iamshadowlark]

Pheeniks it about time you did me a favor and shut the fuck up. I'm not writing this because I'm a mad knicks fan. I'm writing this because I feel its the truth. If you don't like just say you don't like and tell me to shut the fuck up. Don't claim I have so sort of agenda.

The big 3 came out and were vain as fuck. "We gonna win 8 titles!!!" They lose today and they are on their way to another season without a title for the second straight year. Someone might end up traded and the big 3 will be a huge failed experiment that people will talk about years from now.

You do realize one of the 3 is inactive right?

Your little analysis is flawed and founded in nothing but hate and bitterness. Congratulations...

 

[Gabyskra]

You do realize one of the 3 is inactive right?

You're little analysis is flawed and founded in nothing but hate and bitterness. Congratulations...

Logic, grammar, is there anything you can actually handle fine?

The point of chars is precisely that their plan was not fault-proof. If one injury is what makes you fail, then don't go around pretending you're going to win 8 titles in a row.

 

[ph33nix]

Pheeniks it about time you did me a favor and shut the fuck up. I'm not writing this because I'm a mad knicks fan. I'm writing this because I feel its the truth. If you don't like just say you don't like and tell me to shut the fuck up. Don't claim I have so sort of agenda.

No....you're writing this because you're a mad Knicks fan.

If you don't have an agenda why did you pop in here before the game has started and write an essay?

Also, I'm done telling people "shut the fuck up" in this thread, don't think that's really necessary

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

You do realize one of the 3 is inactive right?

You're little analysis is flawed and founded in nothing but hate and bitterness. Congratulations...

Except he is correct. LeBron is a poor mans MJ and Wade is a poor mans Scottie while Bosh is a poor mans Ho Grant and Spoelstra is a poor mans Mike Brown. Phil forced MJ to accept a role and MJ was willing to do so because his first priority was winning, not dancing. Scottie had more skill in his finger than Wade has altogether. Ho Grant was a warrior while Bosh isn't. The Bulls bench became the Bulls bench because they had a masterful coach and they had superstars that led by example. That didn't goof off, compare the media response to their losses to that of 9/11, didn't make fun of an opposing players star player for being ill, didn't guarantee 8 championships before winning one. The Heat threesome haven't led by example at all.

 

[diehard]

i spent 5 minutes researching my post and nobody even liked it...

Hard work getting you places is a myth and a lie told to kids by the parents at night to make them feel better.

 

[iamshadowlark]

Logic, grammar, is there anything you can actually handle fine?

The point of chars is precisely that their plan was not fault-proof. If one injury is what makes you fail, then don't go around pretending you're going to win 8 titles in a row.

Im actually great in logic thank you. Still doesn't make his little thesis anymore credible.

Except he is correct. LeBron is a poor mans MJ and Wade is a poor mans Scottie while Bosh is a poor mans Ho Grant and Spoelstra is a poor mans Mike Brown. Phil forced MJ to accept a role and MJ was willing to do so because his first priority was winning, not dancing. Scottie had more skill in his finger than Wade has altogether. Ho Grant was a warrior while Bosh isn't. The Bulls bench became the Bulls bench because they had a masterful coach and they had superstars that led by example. That didn't goof off, compare the media response to their losses to that of 9/11, didn't make fun of an opposing players star player for being ill, didn't guarantee 8 championships before winning one. The Heat threesome haven't led by example at all.

I can't even tell if you're joking anymore.

 

[Grimm Fandango]

This is getting good.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Im actually great in logic thank you. Still doesn't make his little thesis anymore credible.

You want logic? YOU CAN'T HANDLE LOGIC!!!

Spoiler

=/

 

[ph33nix]

I can't even tell if you're joking anymore.

Don't bother responding to Cloving unless you plan on joking around

This is getting good.

wrong gif

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Im actually great in logic thank you. Still doesn't make his little thesis anymore credible.




I can't even tell if you're joking anymore.

Tell me where I am wrong.

 

[darkside31337]

The one thing that really annoys me about the Pacers - Heat series is the fact that its all about the failings of the Heat and not one bit about the success of the Pacers. The Pacers have been outworking the Heat, they have more talent than the Heat minus Bosh, they have better coaching than the Heat, they have better chemistry than the Heat. Pretty much every advantage they could have other than having the best regular season player in the world on their team they actually have going for them right now.

There are no more excuses really. It's time for Lebron to step up today because it's their only hope of saving this series.

 

[ph33nix]

Tell me where I am wrong.

Shadowlark, don't even fucking bother. Cloving is already putting in his 400th pre-written response to you

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Don't bother responding to Cloving unless you plan on joking around



wrong gif

Salty.

 

[iamshadowlark]

Tell me where I am wrong.

From the first four words on.

Shadowlark, don't even fucking bother. Cloving is already putting in his 400th pre-written response to you

I gotcha man.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

From the first four words on.

How is he wrong?

 

[Red Blaster]

The one thing that really annoys me about the Pacers - Heat series is the fact that its all about the failings of the Heat and not one bit about the success of the Pacers. The Pacers have been outworking the Heat, they have more talent than the Heat minus Bosh, they have better coaching than the Heat, they have better chemistry than the Heat. Pretty much every advantage they could have other than having the best regular season player in the world on their team they actually have going for them right now.

There are no more excuses really. It's time for Lebron to step up today because it's their only hope of saving this series.

Please, the Pacecars got pushed around by Big Baby. The fact that LBJ's in front-runner mode right now is squarely on the Heat's shoulders.

 

[thekad]

The Heat are shooting in the teens from three point range because of Horace Grant.

The Hunter School of Basketball

 

[Srsly]

What evidence is there that LeBron tries to do too much? If anything, it's Wade that tries to do too much on offense, although the Heat are missing Bosh, which makes it a lot more difficult to generate good offensive possessions, so I don't know if Wade can be blamed entirely for sucking.

How many completely wide-open 3s have the Heat roleplayers missed this series?

 

[charsace]

No....you're writing this because you're a mad Knicks fan.

If you don't have an agenda why did you pop in here before the game has started and write an essay?

Also, I'm done telling people "shut the fuck up" in this thread, don't think that's really necessary

Where was Lebron in second half of the last game? He gave up that's where he was. He padded his stats near the end when the Pacers were walking away with the win. That's all he did in the second half.

Jordan early in his career was selfish like Lebron, but he never would have wilted like Lebron did in the second half. Jordan would have been determined to put up 25 more in the second. That's the problem with Lebron, he wants greatness, but wilts at times when he could grab it.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

All of you are better than this.

I don't think it sounds like a mean spirited piece at all. It just is a solid breakdown of why the Heat are struggling. Honestly I have gotten over the whole frat mentality the team started with and just settled into to watching entertaining basketball because when the Heat are rolling its a damn good show. That being said the utter collapse by Wade and Lebron is baffling to me in a lot of ways and Char did a good job putting those pieces together..IMO

Where was Lebron in second half of the last game? He gave up that's where he was. He padded his stats near the end when the Pacers were walking away with the win. That's all he did in the second half.

Jordan early in his career was selfish like Lebron, but he never would have wilted like Lebron did in the second half. Jordan would have been determined to put up 25 more in the second. That's the problem with Lebron, he wants greatness, but wilts at times when he could grab it.

At this point isn't it a forgone conclusion that Lebron just doesn't have the drive necessary for one of the greats. As someone pointed out earlier Kobe is probably a nightmare to play for and I imagine they are right. I also know playing with Bird and MJ was no picnic. Lebron wants to win but there is a definite jovial demeanor in life that doesn't complement a killer instinct.

 

[h3ro]

Im actually great in logic thank you. Still doesn't make his little thesis anymore credible.
.

You guys singling him out for a 'mad knicks fan' while ignoring the core of his argument is a problem.

You honestly don't agree with his comparison of Heat's current play/structure/system to that of the Collins-era Bulls with Michael? Once Phil came on board, he instituted a system which not only emphasized the talents of his star, but also provided a fail-safe for nights where the stars, for one reason or another, couldn't maximize their effectiveness by surrounding them with support players that could lessen the load on said stars.

The role players on the Heat are being exposed the same way Novak was in the Knicks series. The current Heat system (Bosh injury notwithstanding, as it was an issue before he went down) just isn't working and putting them in situations to succeed if Wade and/or Lebron struggle even slightly. I agree though, they've handled the few good opportunities Wade and Lebron have made for them horrendously. The amount of uncontested 3s missed by this team is terrible.

Try to have some objectivity. Instead of resorting to things like 'mad knick fan and other defensive insults, understand that we don't really know or care to know you personally.

We like basketball and we're discussing and analyzing a team that plays in the league we love watching. If you don't that, click the little X on the NBA thread tab and go discuss the analog nubs on the new Wii controller.

 

[diehard]

the Heat need Jerry Sloan

no, really.

 

[DMczaf]

What is up with Shaq and Barkley having websites?

Is this 2001?

 

[rage1973]

Declining Kobe is going to be fun to watch as a Lakers fan.
I wouldn't shed a tear if they amnesty Kobe next year.

 

[Shadow780]

somewhere trax is proud.

Bosh is the central piece.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Declining Kobe is going to be fun to watch as a Lakers hater.
I wouldn't shed a tear if they amnesty Kobe next year.

Surely this is what you meant.

 

[iamshadowlark]

What evidence is there that LeBron tries to do too much? If anything, it's Wade that tries to do too much on offense, although the Heat are missing Bosh, which makes it a lot more difficult to generate good offensive possessions, so I don't know if Wade can be blamed entirely for sucking.

How many completely wide-open 3s have the Heat roleplayers missed this series?

Don't have wide open numbers but everybody not named Lebron and Wade is 4-29. Lebron is 1-11; Wade 0-4.

 

[ph33nix]

Jordan early in his career was selfish like Lebron, but he never would have wilted like Lebron did in the second half. Jordan would have been determined to put up 25 more in the second. That's the problem with Lebron, he wants greatness, but wilts at times when he could grab it.

LeBron passes up a big shot: doesn't want the responsibility, what a coward!
LeBron in everything else: Selfish player!

And stop comparing LeBron to Jordan. They are different players and approach the game with a different mindset. In fact, I want everybody to stop bringing up Jordan, especially when it comes to Kobe too. There isn't another guy who was like Mike, mentally and game wise.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

the Heat need Jerry Sloan

no, really.

LeBron couldn't handle it. Wade would punch a wall. Bosh would wilt. Jerry Sloan is what the Heatles need but not what they want nor what they can handle.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Ok predictions:

Heat win by 12 points (guarantee a victory)
Spurs win by 8

 

[darkside31337]

Please, the Pacecars got pushed around by Big Baby. The fact that LBJ's in front-runner mode right now is squarely on the Heat's shoulders.

The Heat don't have a single player inside that is anywhere near Big Baby's level. That is how sad their roster is. The Heat roster is a joke, they need Lebron to take over and dominate and if he really is the best player in the league then he should be doing a hell of a lot more than what hes doing right now.

Everybody knocks the Pacers for not having a number one type of calibur player on their roster but it might not matter this series because the Heat don't have one on their team right now either.

I never really bought the Lebron is a choker mentality in the playoffs before (even though hes had plenty of inexplicable games) this year mainly because he has dominated in the playoffs before (games against Orlando and Detroit among others come to mind) but at some point its fairly obvious that he is not the best player in the world once the playoffs rolls around.

 

[PBY]

The Heat analysis isn't an "honest breakdown"- its the complete opposite: its reactionary, its convenient, and its just a repacked recycled argument. Where was this analysis when we were beating the living shit out of your team? Yeah. We're playing badly, but it has nothing to do with anything that you wrote- the simple answer is that Wade is slumping hard (be it age, injury, whatever- hes playing incredibly inefficient), our shooters are missing shots, and Bosh is out. Thats it- everything else is a reactionary projection.

But seriously, I'm tired of reading this salty bullshit from Knicks fans, litter the loserbro thread with your useless breakdowns. I'm more surprised at the rest of NBA Gaf actually finding any sort of value or instrospection in a post that reads like a greatest hits of Woj and Skip Bayless.

 

[thekad]

You guys singling him out for a 'mad knicks fan' while ignoring the core of his argument is a problem.

It's not an analysis. It's the answer he's conjured up to fit into the preconceived narrative he and the rest of NBAGAF have built around the Heat & Lebron, made easier by the fact that y'all can use platitudes and intangibles like 'toughness' and 'clutch' and 'team concept' without having to back up your "argument" with evidence.

So basically, it's perfect for Cloving.

 

[Flash]

No offense to the Pacers, they are working hard and all but they really shouldn't really pose a problem for the Heat. Come on now, Wade and LeBron are just way too talented to be down against the Pacers. To be honest, I don't think the Pacers would be able to win against any of the western conferencing seeds (same thing applies to the Sixers).

The Heat are so weak it's just laughable. All these excuses year after year. LeBron dominates regular seasons, wins MVP, everyone says things are different, and then this. But really, everything is the exact same as always. "Their bench sucks," well no shit. You got 3 legitimate superstars eating up their salary cap. And to be honest, their supporting cast aren't even that bad - battier, miller, and chalmers are pretty good shooters, and Haslem is a hard working big.

All you gotta do with the Heat is keep is close, control the tempo, and it seems as if they have no idea wtf to do. And it seems as if Granger is mind fucking LeBron, everyone is shit talking, pulling out the choking, calling out their flopping, and its getting to them. They are so fucking weak.

 

[ThisWreckage]

The Heat play ugly, ugly iso heavy offense that relies on Wade or Lebron dribbling until there's about ten seconds left on the shot clock. They'll then either a) jack up an off balance jump shot b) pass to their teammates that are being heavily covered because teams have figured out they don't need to double Wade or Lebron or c) barrel through the lane hoping to get a foul called.

But to be fair, their shooters haven't been able to hit anything all season. I've seen Lebron pass to a wide open teammate at least ten times a game and it's brick after brick after brick. Lebron seriously should be averaging 12 assists a game.

 

[h3ro]

It's not an analysis. It's the answer he's conjured up to fit into the preconceived narrative he and the rest of NBAGAF have built around the Heat & Lebron, made easier by the fact that y'all can use platitudes and intangibles like 'toughness' and 'clutch' and 'team concept' without having to back up your "argument" with evidence.

So basically, it's perfect for Cloving.

Agreed with the platitudes and concepts of 'clutch and toughness'.

But team concept is not a platitude or cliche. This season, the Spurs are evidence of that, just as the Phil-era Bulls and Lakers were. I'm not saying I completely agree with Chars' conclusion but I do support his analogy of the Collins-era Bulls to Spoelstra led Heat.

 

[thekad]

Agreed with the platitudes and concepts of 'clutch and toughness'.

But team concept is not a platitude or cliche. This season, the Spurs are evidence of that, just as the Phil-era Bulls and Lakers were. I'm not saying I completely agree with Chars' conclusion but I do support his analogy of the Collins-era Bulls to Spoelstra led Heat.

How does that explain how much worse Battier and Miller are shooting threes while wide open? Did Bosh get injured because Wade only cares about his $tat$?

It's kindergarten logic.

 

[iamshadowlark]

You guys singling him out for a 'mad knicks fan' while ignoring the core of his argument is a problem.

You honestly don't agree with his comparison of Heat's current play/structure/system to that of the Collins-era Bulls with Michael? Once Phil came on board, he instituted a system which not only emphasized the talents of his star, but also provided a fail-safe for nights where the stars, for one reason or another, couldn't maximize their effectiveness by surrounding them with support players that could lessen the load on said stars.

The role players on the Heat are being exposed the same way Novak was in the Knicks series. The current Heat system (Bosh injury notwithstanding, as it was an issue before he went down) just isn't working and putting them in situations to succeed if Wade and/or Lebron struggle even slightly. I agree though, they've handled the few good opportunities Wade and Lebron have made for them horrendously. The amount of uncontested 3s missed by this team is terrible.

Try to have some objectivity. Instead of resorting to things like 'mad knick fan and other defensive insults, understand that we don't really know or care to know you personally.

We like basketball and we're discussing and analyzing a team that plays in the league we love watching. If you don't that, click the little X on the NBA thread tab and go discuss the analog nubs on the new Wii controller.

Say what?

First of all his biggest fail and seemingly yours is comparing this team to anyone of those MJ Bulls squads. We have almost no similarities no matter what ass-backwards comparisons you all try to make.

I also don't know wtf you are talking about in regards to the system not working. When we actually stick to our guns the heat were rolling, shooting one of the best 3 point percentages in the league. The ultimate truth here is that we can't win much without bosh. Shots that used to fall just aren't falling. Simple as that.

Charsace's whole post amounts to little more than " I hate Lebron and the rest of the Big 3. They are all so selfish blah blah blah. Jordan derp derp derp...."

Its a bunch of bullshit.

Finally,
I don't give a fuck about you not wanting to know me personally. If you somehow got that idea, you're wrong. As usual. You can say whatever the fuck you want but don't get mad if I laugh at it.

 

[iamshadowlark]

You guys singling him out for a 'mad knicks fan' while ignoring the core of his argument is a problem.

You honestly don't agree with his comparison of Heat's current play/structure/system to that of the Collins-era Bulls with Michael? Once Phil came on board, he instituted a system which not only emphasized the talents of his star, but also provided a fail-safe for nights where the stars, for one reason or another, couldn't maximize their effectiveness by surrounding them with support players that could lessen the load on said stars.

The role players on the Heat are being exposed the same way Novak was in the Knicks series. The current Heat system (Bosh injury notwithstanding, as it was an issue before he went down) just isn't working and putting them in situations to succeed if Wade and/or Lebron struggle even slightly. I agree though, they've handled the few good opportunities Wade and Lebron have made for them horrendously. The amount of uncontested 3s missed by this team is terrible.

Try to have some objectivity. Instead of resorting to things like 'mad knick fan and other defensive insults, understand that we don't really know or care to know you personally.

We like basketball and we're discussing and analyzing a team that plays in the league we love watching. If you don't that, click the little X on the NBA thread tab and go discuss the analog nubs on the new Wii controller.

Say what?

First of all his biggest fail and seemingly yours is comparing this team to anyone of those MJ Bulls squads. We have almost no similarities no matter what ass-backwards comparisons you all try to make.

I also don't know wtf you are talking about in regards to the system not working. When we actually stick to our guns the heat were rolling, shooting one of the best 3 point percentages in the league. The ultimate truth here is that we can't win much without bosh. Shots that used to fall just aren't falling. Simple as that.

Charsace's whole post amounts to little more than " I hate Lebron and the rest of the Big 3. They are all so selfish blah blah blah. Jordan did this derp derp derp...."

Its a bunch of bullshit. Since the Big three came together their main problem has been figuring out how to get the other 2 involved. Deferring to much. At one point they said fuck it and just went iso crazy and that got them all the way to the finals.

This past offseason they tried to address that by implementing a newer free roaming offense which was working phenomenally. Which puzzled me on why they went away from it post AS break. The only real reason I can think of is that the pace they were running at was too taxing in that compressed season. But since the playoffs started the Heat have been damn decent.

It would be foolish to panic and break the core up simply because of this playoff run in this lockout season, all things considered. Which is why I laugh at whoever suggests that. The only way I will endorse breaking up the 3 is if we can get either an all-star big or considerable role players.

Finally,

I don't give a fuck about you not wanting to know me personally. If you somehow got that idea, you're wrong. As usual. You can say whatever the fuck you want but don't get mad if I laugh at it.

 

[h3ro]

How does that explain how much worse Battier and Miller are shooting threes while wide open? Did Bosh get injured because Wade only cares about his $tat$?

It's kindergarten logic.

I guess a way to explain the shooting issue would go back to Riley's roster decisions. Bosh's injury only exposes them further. I don't know about Wade only care about his stats, but I do think that because of the lack of talent or production from the other team members, Lebron and him are more likely to go at it solo and give the appearance of stat-padding, etc.

It's a chicken/egg argument unfortunately. Are the Heat having to depend solely on those two guys right now because of the other players aren't taking ANY advantage of the open looks Wade/Lebron are providing them? Or are they simply conditioned to let those guys do their thing and just not ready to step up when they're called upon to do so because of the coaching instruction?

 

[charsace]

LeBron passes up a big shot: doesn't want the responsibility, what a coward!
LeBron in everything else: Selfish player!

And stop comparing LeBron to Jordan. They are different players and approach the game with a different mindset. In fact, I want everybody to stop bringing up Jordan, especially when it comes to Kobe too. There isn't another guy who was like Mike, mentally and game wise.

Did you watch the last game where he played like shit in the second half? Lebron thinks he's great, but in a moment where he could show it he wilted. Wilted like he's been doing throughout his career. Granger should be Lebron's bitch. Instead it's the other way around. Larry's Celtics and the Bad Boy Pistons couldn't make Jordan their bitch, but every year guys like Granger, Pierce, Terry, Deshawn, marion and who ever the next guy will be that talks shit to Lebron, cheap shots him, makes Lebron their bitch. When is Lebron going to show us his greatness? I would to see him drop 40+ today, cheap shot Granger a couple of times, get in dude's face and say, "I'm the best in world motherfucker, don't forget it." Because that's what Jordan did when guys tried to punk him. Jordan would make sure the Pacers got to witness greatness up close. Because at the end of the day most of what people say about the Heat are excuses. Lebron is looking to put up big numbers all the time. Why not man up and go ham in the second half of the last game when his team needed him? Lebron has done nothing to show his greatness. He didn't destroy a team like Magic did when Kareem got hurt. Lebron didn't drop buckets on a Jerry West lead laker squad like Frazier did when Willis Reed was hurt.

 

[iamshadowlark]

You guys singling him out for a 'mad knicks fan' while ignoring the core of his argument is a problem.

You honestly don't agree with his comparison of Heat's current play/structure/system to that of the Collins-era Bulls with Michael? Once Phil came on board, he instituted a system which not only emphasized the talents of his star, but also provided a fail-safe for nights where the stars, for one reason or another, couldn't maximize their effectiveness by surrounding them with support players that could lessen the load on said stars.

The role players on the Heat are being exposed the same way Novak was in the Knicks series. The current Heat system (Bosh injury notwithstanding, as it was an issue before he went down) just isn't working and putting them in situations to succeed if Wade and/or Lebron struggle even slightly. I agree though, they've handled the few good opportunities Wade and Lebron have made for them horrendously. The amount of uncontested 3s missed by this team is terrible.

Try to have some objectivity. Instead of resorting to things like 'mad knick fan and other defensive insults, understand that we don't really know or care to know you personally.

We like basketball and we're discussing and analyzing a team that plays in the league we love watching. If you don't that, click the little X on the NBA thread tab and go discuss the analog nubs on the new Wii controller.

Say what?

First of all his biggest fail and seemingly yours is comparing this team to anyone of those MJ Bulls squads. We have almost no similarities no matter what ass-backwards comparisons you all try to make.

I also don't know wtf you are talking about in regards to the system not working. When we actually stick to our guns the heat were rolling, shooting one of the best 3 point percentages in the league. The ultimate truth here is that we can't win much without bosh. Shots that used to fall just aren't falling. Simple as that.

Charsace's whole post amounts to little more than " I hate Lebron and the rest of the Big 3. They are all so selfish blah blah blah. Jordan did this derp derp derp...."

Its a bunch of bullshit. Since the Big three came together their main problem has been figuring out how to get the other 2 involved. Deferring to much. At one point they said fuck it and just went iso crazy and that got them all the way to the finals.

This past offseason they tried to address that by implementing a newer free roaming offense which was working phenomenally. Which puzzled me on why they went away from it post AS break. The only real reason I can think of is that the pace they were running at was too taxing in that compressed season. But since the playoffs started the Heat have been damn decent.

It would be foolish to panic and break the core up simply because of this playoff run in this lockout season, all things considered. Which is why I laugh at whoever suggests that. The only way I will endorse breaking up the 3 is if we can get either an all-star big or considerable role players.

Finally,

I don't give a fuck about you not wanting to know me personally. If you somehow got that idea, you're wrong. As usual. You can say whatever the fuck you want but don't get mad if I laugh at it.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Lol. Shadow Lark what is going on man?

 

[iamshadowlark]

You guys singling him out for a 'mad knicks fan' while ignoring the core of his argument is a problem.

You honestly don't agree with his comparison of Heat's current play/structure/system to that of the Collins-era Bulls with Michael? Once Phil came on board, he instituted a system which not only emphasized the talents of his star, but also provided a fail-safe for nights where the stars, for one reason or another, couldn't maximize their effectiveness by surrounding them with support players that could lessen the load on said stars.

The role players on the Heat are being exposed the same way Novak was in the Knicks series. The current Heat system (Bosh injury notwithstanding, as it was an issue before he went down) just isn't working and putting them in situations to succeed if Wade and/or Lebron struggle even slightly. I agree though, they've handled the few good opportunities Wade and Lebron have made for them horrendously. The amount of uncontested 3s missed by this team is terrible.

Try to have some objectivity. Instead of resorting to things like 'mad knick fan and other defensive insults, understand that we don't really know or care to know you personally.

We like basketball and we're discussing and analyzing a team that plays in the league we love watching. If you don't that, click the little X on the NBA thread tab and go discuss the analog nubs on the new Wii controller.

Say what?

First of all his biggest fail and seemingly yours is comparing this team to anyone of those MJ Bulls squads. We have almost no similarities no matter what ass-backwards comparisons you all try to make.

I also don't know wtf you are talking about in regards to the system not working. When we actually stick to our guns the heat were rolling, shooting one of the best 3 point percentages in the league. The ultimate truth here is that we can't win much without bosh. Shots that used to fall just aren't falling. Simple as that.

Charsace's whole post amounts to little more than " I hate Lebron and the rest of the Big 3. They are all so selfish blah blah blah. Jordan did this derp derp derp...."

Its a bunch of bullshit. Since the Big three came together their main problem has been figuring out how to get the other 2 involved. Deferring to much. At one point they said fuck it and just went iso crazy and that got them all the way to the finals.

This past offseason they tried to address that by implementing a newer free roaming offense which was working phenomenally. Which puzzled me on why they went away from it post AS break. The only real reason I can think of is that the pace they were running at was too taxing in that compressed season. But since the playoffs started the Heat have been damn decent.

It would be foolish to panic and break the core up simply because of this playoff run in this lockout season, all things considered. Which is why I laugh at whoever suggests that. The only way I will endorse breaking up the 3 is if we can get either an all-star big or considerable role players.

Finally,

I don't give a fuck about you not wanting to know me personally. If you somehow got that idea, you're wrong. As usual. You can say whatever the fuck you want but don't get mad if I laugh at it.

 

[iamshadowlark]

You guys singling him out for a 'mad knicks fan' while ignoring the core of his argument is a problem.

You honestly don't agree with his comparison of Heat's current play/structure/system to that of the Collins-era Bulls with Michael? Once Phil came on board, he instituted a system which not only emphasized the talents of his star, but also provided a fail-safe for nights where the stars, for one reason or another, couldn't maximize their effectiveness by surrounding them with support players that could lessen the load on said stars.

The role players on the Heat are being exposed the same way Novak was in the Knicks series. The current Heat system (Bosh injury notwithstanding, as it was an issue before he went down) just isn't working and putting them in situations to succeed if Wade and/or Lebron struggle even slightly. I agree though, they've handled the few good opportunities Wade and Lebron have made for them horrendously. The amount of uncontested 3s missed by this team is terrible.

Try to have some objectivity. Instead of resorting to things like 'mad knick fan and other defensive insults, understand that we don't really know or care to know you personally.

We like basketball and we're discussing and analyzing a team that plays in the league we love watching. If you don't that, click the little X on the NBA thread tab and go discuss the analog nubs on the new Wii controller.

Say what?

First of all his biggest fail and seemingly yours is comparing this team to anyone of those MJ Bulls squads. We have almost no similarities no matter what ass-backwards comparisons you all try to make.

I also don't know wtf you are talking about in regards to the system not working. When we actually stick to our guns the heat were rolling, shooting one of the best 3 point percentages in the league. The ultimate truth here is that we can't win much without bosh. Shots that used to fall just aren't falling. Simple as that.

Charsace's whole post amounts to little more than " I hate Lebron and the rest of the Big 3. They are all so selfish blah blah blah. Jordan did this derp derp derp...."

Its a bunch of bullshit. Since the Big three came together their main problem has been figuring out how to get the other 2 involved. Deferring to much. At one point they said fuck it and just went iso crazy and that got them all the way to the finals.

This past offseason they tried to address that by implementing a newer free roaming offense which was working phenomenally. Which puzzled me on why they went away from it post AS break. The only real reason I can think of is that the pace they were running at was too taxing in that compressed season. But since the playoffs started the Heat have been damn decent.

It would be foolish to panic and break the core up simply because of this playoff run in this lockout season, all things considered. Which is why I laugh at whoever suggests that. The only way I will endorse breaking up the 3 is if we can get either an all-star big or considerable role players.

Finally,

I don't give a fuck about you not wanting to know me personally. If you somehow got that idea, you're wrong. As usual. You can say whatever the fuck you want but don't get mad if I laugh at it.

 

[iamshadowlark]

lol wtf?

 

[ph33nix]

Did you watch the last game where he played like shit in the second half? Lebron thinks he's great, but in a moment where he could show it he wilted. Wilted like he's been doing throughout his career. Granger should be Lebron's bitch. Instead it's the other way around. Larry's Celtics and the Bad Boy Pistons couldn't make Jordan their bitch, but every year guys like Granger, Pierce, Terry, Deshawn, marion and who ever the next guy will be that talks shit to Lebron, cheap shots him, makes Lebron their bitch. When is Lebron going to show us his greatness? I would to see him drop 40+ today, cheap shot Granger a couple of times, get in dude's face and say, "I'm the best in world motherfucker, don't forget it." Because that's what Jordan did when guys tried to punk him. Jordan would make sure the Pacers got to witness greatness up close. Because at the end of the day most of what people say about the Heat are excuses. Lebron is looking to put up big numbers all the time. Why not man up and go ham in the second half of the last game when his team needed him? Lebron has done nothing to show his greatness. He didn't destroy a team like Magic did when Kareem got hurt. Lebron didn't drop buckets on a Jerry West lead laker squad like Frazier did when Willis Reed was hurt.

Well, before last year, he sure as hell didn't have anyone of that caliber by him.

But I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying, even though we all know you're still upset at sloppy seconds. I still expect the Heat to win and if LeBron and Wade are what I thought they were, they'll smash the Pacers (or lose today and then smash them the next 3)

 

[charsace]

Heat fans are ignoring what I'm saying as usual. It's obvious that Lebron and wade have no defined roles. They both do what they want. That doesn't work in a team game. Lebron and wade need to be given roles, especially on offense. Players need defined roles that demand something of them.

And most of you don't know anything about the bulls pre-Phil Jackson. Most people hated that team. People in Chicago hated pippen and thought he was a bust. They thought grant was soft. Thought paxson was washed up. Then Phil came in and gave those guys roles and real responsibilies on the court. You guys talk about pippen being great, you only know the Phil era pippen. Not the pre-Phil pippen who was a mediocre role player and soft. Pippen was so soft that oak grabbed him on camera and slapped him up like it was his little brother. That was when Oak was still on the bulls. And this was when the NBA was still a rough league.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

lol wtf?

And here I was about to invite you out for a beer but your so adamant about not knowing me personally.